@AllBlackSydney, NSW"There are so, so many uncharitable
comments here..."Why doesn't your "charity" apply
to the numerous victims of illegal immigration? "...equivalent
to speeding or parking law..."Violation of a deportation order
is a FELONY. Using false documents, committing fraud and perjury, etc. in order
to work here illegally, FELONIES. Parents pretending to come here as tourists
with every intention of staying, visa fraud, a FELONY. "Wouldn't those kids be US citizens in a foriegn country?"Yes -- but they also would be regarded by Mexico as Mexican citizens.
One thing Mexico does right is recognize anchor babies born in this country as
Mexican citizens, inasmuch as they were born to Mexican citizens who themselves
were under Mexican jurisdiction. "And what happens with the
spouses here?"Ha! Who says they are actual spouses? Who says
these Mormon mothers have ever been married? If they were, how did they get
marriage licenses without proper documentation? All I see are three sisters
with the same last name!"...moral or God given laws, which your
immigration laws are surely not a part of."Absolutely false. "...draconian anti-immigration laws?"Again,
There are so,so many uncharitable comments here...it's amazing. But about
this breaking an equivalent to speeding or parking law: @anti-liarSalt Lake City, UT Wouldn't those kids be US
citizens in a foriegn country? ie Mexico, which could or maybe doesn't
grant these kids residency. Mexico could turn around and send the kids back to
the US if they wanted to. And what happens with the spouses here? do they also
have to go to Mexico and find new work there? Or will they work in Utah and wire
all their money to Mexico to spend it there? Plus surely when Jesus
said repent and sin no more it was with regards to moral or God given laws,
which your immigration laws are surely not a part of. Or do you think that God
made up your draconian anti-immigration laws? @Walt Nicholes: the article implies that the sisters didn't know about the order
since they were children at the time. They were informed about the order against
their parents when they were arrested in 2010 so it is untrue that they
'ignored' a court order as you claim here.
I, for one would like to see these women get a hearing.I would like
the judge to ask: Isn't it true that you received a deportation order that
you ignored?The only honest answer would be "yes"Then I would anticipate hearing the judge say: "That is an admission of
guilt. The deportation is sustained."Then I would expect his
honor to give them a choice between immediate deportation and a short term in
prison for contempt of court and THEN deportation. I cannot imagine any reason
why, aafter having already been issued a deportation order they should expect
@AlfredIf you were raised somewhere from the time you were three, meaning
you have no memory of living anywhere else. You attended school, made friends,
went to Church, found a husband, even had children in a place... I think you
would call it "home".As for obeying, honoring, and
sustaining the law, I personally think that these ladies would like nothing more
than to do just that. I bet that if they were given the chance to become a
citizen, they would in a heartbeat.Furthermore, letting compassion
"run wild" is just what this world needs a little more of. That
doesn't mean that consequences can be avoided. It means that other, more
creative solutions need to be found. If God can be perfectly just AND perfectly
merciful (thanks to His divine plan and our redeeming Savior), we should try and
emulate those divine characteristics.
Mr. Bean,Prosecutorial discretion has been a part of criminal law since
before this country was founded. Do a little research.
@NeilTMany who say they want illegal aliens to remain here have
ulterior motives. Do you? Deportation is not a death sentence.
Standing up for the rule of law is not heartless. Nor is it mean spirited. Nor
is it cruel or unusual. Looking the other way at dishonesty and
illegality is NOT compassion. Jesus said REPENT and SIN NO MORE.
These women are not the least bit repentant. Notice that they are continuing to
LIE to their children (as well as to us), and also are teaching their children
to lie, by FALSELY implying that deportation would break up their families, when
the truth is that they may take their children with them and thus remain
together as a family. Instead, they remain defiant and disrespectful
of this country, its laws, its customs, and its people. There absolutely is
valid reason to deport them, contrary to your claim. "Love they
neighbor" works both ways.Once these women return to Mexico,
they will be reunited with their parents. Their children likely will meet their
grandparents for the first time! They will blend right in with the culture. This
family may then make a valuable contribution to their church and community.
I sometimes miss living in Utah, but reading these comments makes me happy I do
not live there anymore. I do not want to be around people who go to church on
Sunday and pretend to follow Christ's commandments to love others and not
judge, but who then have such merciless, uncaring attitudes towards their
brothers and sisters solely because they were born south of a man-made
geographical border. Do not judge these sisters because they have sinned
differently than you. It is small minded to think yourself entitled to so much
more than God's other children based on the happenstance that you were born
in the United States.
@Ender:"This IS their home!"But they can't
legally work here nor qualify for a SS number."I'd like to
quote some prophetic counsel to you about compassion, but I know I'd be
doing it in the wrong spirit, so I won't."You need to quote
some counsel about obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law which, in this case
flies in the face of compassion. So, which is it to be?Think about
this: If we let compassion run wild we should drop the citizenship requirement
and let the entire world into our country.
The big problem in this story is the so-called "prosecutorial
discretion." What's going on with that?The President of
the United States took an oath to see that the laws of the country are
faithfully executed. He has no authority to apply discretion to laws passed by
the US Congress... to decide who he will and will not bring to justice. To do so
is law breaking within itself. When is the United States going to commence
@VoiceThey were brought here when they were 3 years old. This IS their
home! To quote Pres. Uctdorf is ridiculous because it simply doesn't apply.
You say they should have stayed home to build the Church there. Maybe they were
converted later in life, after they were already here (as babies!).Please don't misapply divine teachings to a situation you know nothing
about. I'd like to quote some prophetic counsel to you about compassion,
but I know I'd be doing it in the wrong spirit, so I won't.
Everyone who likes to be deported raise your hand!! No one likes to be
deported, but some must be. DHS long ago announced they would concentrate on
those convicted of crimes and those with outstanding deportation orders.
Prosecutorial discretion was to be used for those with clean records and no
immigration history. It can still be used for this family, but I do not expect
it will given their long fugitive history and also ability to immigrate with
waivers upon returning to Mexico. While in Mexico they could be a
great benefit to the local ward. Last I looked there are around a million
members in Mexico with numerous temples. Mexico is not as safe or as nice as
the U.S. but it is not Sierra Leone either. I'm surprised
Dream Act hasn't come up which I am in favor of but perhaps these
individuals did not pursue college.
Deseret News, and its affiliates, have not to date stated their true motives for
being so outspoken in support of illegal immigration. Rather, they've
hidden behind such idealistic claims of compassion and a desire for keeping
families together. However, such claims aren't substantiable
since compassion or even this desire for keeping families together, if sincere,
should apply to all people, not just illegal immigrants. Unfortunately, it
doesn't. I don't recall the Deseret News speaking out
against the incarceration of criminals, other than illegal immigrants, because
of compassion or in order to keep fathers and mothers with their children.
Further, there has been no expressed compassion by the Deseret News regarding
workers who have been let go because illegal immigrants will work for half their
pay (or less).This issue is more than simply about compassion. There
is a lot of greed and selfishness driving this issue--even from those smuggly
proclaiming their compassion.And this is why I wish Deseret News and
its affiliates would explain the true reasons they support illegal immigration.
Sob stories, such as this, and the one-sided reporting carry an odor of
propoganda and insincerity.
Illegally crossing the border is one thing, ignoring a deportation order for 15
years after getting caught is quite another. They would not have been hiding if
they did not know of the consequences of their actions. I feel
sorry for the situation they have put themselves in, but there is still an
opportunity for them to make sacrifices again if they want to legalize their
status. The father of one is a permanent resident and should have
filed immediately for his wife upon obtaining that status. Once he becomes a US
citizen, she is immediately eligible for a waiver. She will have to comply with
the deportation order and return to Mexico but she can apply for a waiver based
on hardship and return. There is no line to get into once her husband becomes a
U.S. citizen. Will it be a sacrifice to be temporarily away from her family,
yes, but it is one she should be prepared to make as she knew the consequences.
To uteman1011, 8:54 a.m. June 6, 2012 "These young women were young
girls at the time and at the mercy of their parents. How many 12 year old girls
do you know that would hop on a bus to Mexico without their parents?"According to the article , "The women, who range in age from 26 to
34". So in 1997, the oldest would have been about 19 years old and the
youngest was 11. So the older sisters could have set the example of applying for
citizenship. they clearly understood that they were not citizens of the United
States of America. Somehow we need to enforce the laws. Starting in 1993 and
then in 1997, family and friends and government officials should have helped
them understand the process to become legal citizens or residents.
"RRBSLC, UTThey were placed under deportation orders in 1997. It
has taken ICE this long to chase them down"These young women
were young girls at the time and at the mercy of their parents. How many 12
year old girls do you know that would hop on a bus to Mexico without their
1Infidel"I have a beloved relative going through the naturalization
process, so don't tell me I don't know. It is being done properly,
albeit very slowly, and at significant cost. I am sure it is worth it, and look
forward to its completion. Do it right, and if need be, start over."====I feel your pain. I went through this process with my
wife in 2005-2006. She lived here from age 2, then her family moved back to
their country of origin when she was a teenager (they were legal permament
residents) then they moved back here. During that process she lost her green
card, and when she went to apply for a replacement, they made her sign away her
residency. We had to reapply, and explain why she resigned her residency
(mainly, cause we didn't know better). Because we had been married less
than two years, she got a conditional permanent residency card. After two years
we had to apply to remove the conditions. My application for a
security clearance in the Army was easier and faster. To me that is just wrong.
@Rob: "I feel when people come here like this maybe their cases need to be
handled individually."Yes, and if they came here illegally, they
should be deported."If I had lived in Mexico I would have found
a way to get to America."There is a way to get to America.
It's the legal way. Fill out the requisite papers and get in line."I don't agree that every person who is here illegally should
be sent back. Only the ones who are committing crimes."Crossing
the border into America without permission is a crime.If we
don't crack down on illegal immigration but allow exceptions they
(illegals) will continue to come. The way to stop illegal immigration is to nip
it in the bud by strictly enforcing immigration laws.
How did these ladies get jobs? And if they had the requisite SS number to get
jobs, how did they get SS numbers without being citizens?Could be
that these ladies broke several US laws, including identity theft.
michaelitos: The church is in Mexico too.
To those who have commented on the "bad choices" these girls made by not
becoming legal when they found out, you obviously have never had to deal with
immigration before. Once it has been determined that a person is here illegally
there is no way for them to become legal unless they leave the country for 7
years and then reapply and hope that immigration doesn't hold it against
them that they were here illegally in the first place. As one who has tried to
legally bring family members here just to visit, again it can't really be
done unless the alien has a lot of money or political clout in their country.
Years ago we tried to bring my mother in law to witness the birth of our first
child, immigration said there wasn't enough reason for her to go back so
they denied the visa. We asked about a resident visa but she would have to live
here longer than 2 years which she didn't want so denied as well. The
legal way can be bought with enough money or is a lottery for those without.
Darrell says the laws make no sense. Oh, just open the borders to everyone?
What sense is there in that? Reward those who do so illegally, sanctioning what
they do?Janet whines about compassion. One can be compassionate -
buy up their belongings being left behind at generous prices, store and ship
things for them, or even offer to sponsor them once they are home and after
waiting the appropriate time, applying to enter the country legally. No where
is justice to be thrust aside, ignored, if someone isn't paying the full
cost.I have a beloved relative going through the naturalization
process, so don't tell me I don't know. It is being done properly,
albeit very slowly, and at significant cost. I am sure it is worth it, and look
forward to its completion. Do it right, and if need be, start over.
There is no valid reason to deport them. What happened to us a nation. We were
once a nation known for our compassion for others. Now everything is political.
I can't imagine why we would force somebody to leave the U.S. and live in
a foreign country that is not home to them. Children cannot break immigration
laws. As a latter day saint it makes me sad to see how heartless and mean
spirited so many church members have become. It was not always this way. What
happened. 9/11 and the recession did something to U.S. If I were wealthy I
would gladly donate all I could to their legal defense. I wish the church would
use their influence for good and intervene in their behalf. Let them stay.
We are all brothers and sisters in the gospel. We are not better than others
because we have white skin or were fortunate to have born in the Unites States.
Wonder how the Native Americans felt when those illegal aliens showed up on
their shores, and, thinking to first give them a decent meal, were thanked for
their kindness by being nearly wiped out? Maybe they should have turned them
away. Or told them they had to begin the rituals to become citizenship, learn
the languages of the area, and the customs, dress, and religions, and follow the
laws. Or leave. And agree to less than equal treatment until they met the
requirements. Would your ancestors who came here have stayed? How would they
have fared? How about you, dear reader?
Vidar, No, "silly" is when a person writes a sentence that says
"what's wrong with these women working an honest job without
permission.". Re-read your post. If you don't have have permission to
work here, then that person cannot work a honest job. It would be at the very
least a dishonest job through lies and deception.
The thing that bothers me is that the government expects a quick fix to a
problem that has developed over decades as the result of immigration laws not
being properly enforced. I personally think that wasting our time prosecuting
good people like this because their parents brought them here illegally as
minors is absolutely ridiculous. This is where President Bush's proposed
temporary worker permit program would have worked. If they are living as
productive, law abiding individuals in every aspect except their immigration
status, get them a worker's permit and let them go about their lives.
The fact is, these women are free to take their children with them. Thus they
are lying when they imply that deportation or repatriation would break up their
families. They are telling this lie to their own children, they are lying to
us, and they are teaching their children to lie. Look at the signs the children
are carrying!This is a matter of a difference in values. These
people have no respect for this country whatsoever and have a different sense of
right and wrong than we do. In all probability, these people -- who claim to
have have done nothing wrong -- lie, cheat and steal as a way of life. How else
have they been working here, except illegally and/or with illegal documents, for
example? They have known about their deportation order for 17 years and have
chosen to fluff this off rather than reunite with their parents in Mexico.
Instead of blaming their parents for bringing them here illegally and abandoning
them when they were deported, they falsely blame this country and its good
people -- and presume to tell it what to do. These inferior values
are precisely why these people must NOT be granted amnesty.
We have unproductive illegal residents causing crimes and many visitors who
overstay their visas so ICE concentrates on easy catches like these in the
story. Deporting them does nothing positive for the US and only illustrates the
laziness of the Feds. There should be some degree of compassion and reason for
applying the law to these "lawbreakers."
They have had years to be come a citizen's and didn't time to pay the
price. thier kids go with them.....
These women have known for decades that they are here illegally. They've
had to compensate for that every day of their adult lives. Getting caught
committing a crime is not cruel or unusual. All of us eventually get caught
with our crimes.
VIDAR,There are many Catholics here in south Texas. I have never
heard of anybody here refer to the Catholic church when a newspaper story is
written. It's amazing how many times the church is mentioned in different
articles, as people enjoy blasting each other.
Those who say this is cruel and they don't deserve it are, apparently,
assuming that deportation is a punishment. If they were being punished, they
would go to jail. It is as simple as this: They are here illegally. They have
no legal right to be here. They need to go back to their own country. They
have known for many years now that they needed to return to Mexico. They have
been evading the law. There is no need for them to be seperated
from their children. They can take their children with them. Many American
children go and live in other countries with their parents. This is
sad, but it might turn out to be a wonderful opportunity for their family. No
This is sad but I was even more sad when a drunk illegal killed a father and
child and left a crippled mother behind. Is it fair to legal
immigrants who have followed the law?
BoomerJeffSaint George, UTSilly comparison. Wanting to
work is not the same as committing retail fraud. I do not see that these
women are wanting something for nothing.
RRBSLC, UTThe women can arrange a private adoption. They do
not have to be left with family who are citizens. Family would be preferable,
if not, I am sure there are many people who would be willing to help the women.
There is also the option of showing up to DCFS and giving up custody.
They have the forms there.Then taxpayers can take care of the kids.
Wow! So many hard-nosed, letter-of-the-law posters here. Is this what Utah is
like? Let the ladies stay. Their kids shouldn't suffer.
Vidar,I'm still trying to wrap my head around your statement. Why not
create one 16-digit credit card number that could be used in stores? How did it
become a felony to want to shop and buy things for my children?
@RRBRight on. Too many Americans are to quick to give away that
which has born fought for and won with blood, sweat, and tears. Being an
American isn't a right to all living on the earth. To believe so is
disrespectful to everyone who has served and works honestly to legally provide
This "compassion" issue:Where is the compassion on the part
of these women who live illegally for how many years?Where is the
compassion in wasting the resources of the US citizens via the US Government in
tracking and prosecuting them?Where is the compassion in giving birth to
children you know you may one day have to leave because you are breaking
laws?Where is the compassion for your husbands who now are agonizing over
this too...are there husbands or just children? I don't see any nor do I
read names.The people who need to answer questions regarding
compassion are these three women.
@Bluesmack, et. al-Calling for deportation is cruel? Really? Do you
think it NEVER crossed the minds of these 3 women that they might want to check
if they were here legally? Unless I missed something in the article, I doubt
this came out of left field.
VIDARBirthright children have to be left with direct family that has
citizenship. They can't be left with just anyone.A person needs permission
to work in this country, either a visa worker or citizen. Lying on a 1-9 is a
felony, you are claiming to be able to work legally, and you can't work on
a made up documents, it's document fraud.Sorry it doesn't work your
way. Instead of undocumented, how about fraud-documented? It's not a felony
to work hard, it's a felony working illegally. The women also fled
deportation orders. I don't see any reason for them to be given a pass,
they fit the criminal profile. I prefer the law abiding person that
comes here legally. My family that came here legally are being disrespected by
those who try to steal what they worked for, citizenship.
The LDS Church says we are to obey the laws of the land. You know what that
means? Buh-bye! Really, all Spanish-speaking wards and branches should be swept
to get folks home if they don't belong here. I can't believe
we're so lax on this subject in the US.
I am still trying to wrap my head around the statements that the women commited
the felony of working an honest job without permission.create one social
security number that could be used for those without a number 999-99-9999. Take
out the maximum amounts of withholdings.How did it become a felony to work
Where is the compassion here? For those calling for these women to be deported
and separating their families to me is beyond cruel! They do not deserve what is
happening to them. Laws are to be obeyed, but common sense and compassion
overrides all. A country that treats people with this kind of cruelty and
disdain is a country and a people in serious moral and ethical decline.Shame on those that would call for this! One day the same cruelty will be
returned upon a Nation and a people that would justify such acts. I am not
Latino for those that want to point fingers, just a guy that has compassion.
Someone please help these women and their families!
If I were these women. I would arrange to have their America citizen
children adopted by US citizens. I would find a family that would make
sure the kids still stayed in contact with their them.I would have the
American citizen children go to college. Then have their American citizen
children sponsor them to come back into this country, and maybe give them a
job.Considering Mormon pioneers were planning on illegally moving into
Mexico in the 1840”s I am surprised at the lack of compassion shown by
obvious Mormon commentsThe state of Utah is truly an enigma particularly
when it comes to Mormons.Mormons should be the first ones to advocate for
these women.I would like to see Mormons behave more like the Catholics on
this issue.I do not think for one minute God cares about immigration laws.
I think he wants us to get along and share.
I guess birth certificates mean nothing. How was employment and school
attendance possible? It seems you can become a president without one.
For the life of me, I just don't get how these three Latter-day Saint women
can be here illegally for 17 years, work- which constitutes fraud (a felony),
ordered to be deported, and then they think they are still in the right.
Shouldn't bishops and other leaders help and counsel individuals when they
are on the wrong path? Didn't they learn anything in church the past 17
years, or are they exempt from all the rules the rest of us follow?
From the LDS Church's website, Uctdorf, October, 2005, as he speaks of
courageous LDS people who stay in their homelands, "... those courageous
modern-day pioneers. They abide by the loving invitation of the First Presidency
given in 1999:“In our day, the Lord has seen fit to provide
the blessings of the gospel, including an increased number of temples, in many
parts of the world. Therefore, we wish to reiterate the long-standing counsel to
members of the Church to remain in their homelands rather than immigrate to the
United States. …“As members throughout the world remain
in their homelands, working to build the Church in their native countries, great
blessings will come to them personally and to the Church collectively”
(First Presidency letter, Dec. 1, 1999).
A question was raised about the 3 women (who are sisters) and their husbands.
Sometimes we assume a level of morality that may not be there. From the article:
"The women, who range in age from 26 to 34, want the immigration court to
conduct another review their cases. The women have six children between them,
the oldest 10-year-old Abigail. The fathers are not a part of the deportation
order."Not sure why incorrect English is used. If all 3 of the
women are mothers, the article should state "six children among them".
Between suggests that only 2 of the women are mothers of the 6 children.
Nevertheless, reference is made to the fathers of the 6 children. No mention is
made of husbands of the women. Mercy and Justice can both be administered. The
women/sisters have been here since 1993. They have enjoyed life in the greatest
nation on earth without following its laws. Mercifully, no one can take away
their 19 years here. Now it is time for justice to be served.
They may of been brought here through no fault of their own, but at 18 they had
the opportunity to return to Mexico for 2-6 months and come back legally. Being here illegally is their fault. So was running from the deportation
orders as fugitives. As for the children, they by law, return with
the parents, or stay here with a direct relative. Returning home to come back
legally, and children being returned with the parents are well known to
"The fathers are not a part of the deportation order." This begs the
question of weather the fathers are here legally or are citizens. If they are
why have they not pursued legal avenues to get there green card. Maybe you need
to be hear legally before you can apply for the green card. I do not know. My point is there are many options that could have been many legal
avenues for them. The appeals for the sisters were dismissed in 1997. Why wait
until the last minute? They may have thought "It will never happen"
This article is poor in its coverage of the whole situation, and is
designed to sensationalize the situation.
This is really sad, but there is NO reason to break up the family. The children
can go with them to Mexico and will not lose their American citizenship. The
"breaking up families" argument is really a red herring and is not
relevant. No families have to be broken up.I think we're all
conflicted about this, but we are a nation of laws. Their parents are the real
culprets here. I'm sure they thought they were doing what was best at the
time, but they were breaking the law. It's really sad, but it looks like
they will have to start a new life in Mexico.
Cry me a river!!The following are to blame for the "plight"
of illegal immigrant trespassers:ThemselvesThe federal
government for NOT enforcing immigration laws.Unscrupulous, illicit
employers who "look the other way"!Religious groups who at
least tacitly encourage/enable the continual lawbreaking.The
following are NOT to blame for the plight of illegal alien trespassers:Us, all of us LEGAL taxpayers who have paid for their education, provided
free health care, welfare, WIC, etc. for the duration of their trespassing.
I listened to a conference talk last night by President Uchtdorf where he read a
1999 statement by the first presidency, President Hinckley, that people should
NOT come here but should STAY IN THEIR HOMELANDS and build the church in those
lands. Uchtdorf stated that Europe suffered for many years because so many
people left to come here.Anyone reminding us to listen to the
prophets needs to consider this statement as well.
They are employed, pay taxes...hmmm ... how much do they get back for all of the
children they claim? How much are they getting in food stamps, medicaid or other
social programs? Need more disclosure. These days, paying taxes means nothing.
SJ WildcatI'm sorry you misunderstood me. I did not make a
recommendation as to what should be done with the law or even these poor women
and their families. I made no policy suggestion, and I certainly did not
encourage a lack of consequences (as you seemed to interpret).I
merely hoped to tamper the vitriol that was being spouted. I only wanted to
inject a little feeling into the mindless calls for justice. My only purpose was
to remind everyone (particularly other members of the Church) to take a
Christ-centered approach to this difficult issue.
Immigration laws can be enforced with common sense and mercy when it's
called for just like all other laws. Laws that are overly draconian can be
modified, again like any other laws. As pointed out above the LDS Church
supports a balanced reasonable approach. Why in the world is it
necessary to uproot decent people who were brought here as children when they
had no say so in the matter 19 years ago? To say that somehow they could have/
should have fixed their status along the way is kind of facile. I believe the
ordinary reasonable person would not have done anything different from what they
did.I'm sure those on this thread who are big on law and light
on mercy, even when it comes to kids, must have applauded the judge who gave a
day in jail for truancy to the honor student who was working 2 jobs in addition
to going to school to support her and her siblings. After all rules are
rules.Somehow I don't think we'll have that mentality when
we're at the judgment seat.
Another light-minded article that omits important facts. I don't
understand how a person can obtain work and pay taxes without proper ID. Who
employed these folks? The employer either turned a blind eye to the situation
or these folks provided fake identification. How does one pay taxes without a
legal identity? I find my frustration aimed at their parents yet
they are now in their 20's / 30's. As adults, they knew their
responsibilities. It seems unfair to those who are going through the
immigration process legally to allow 'prosecutorial discretion' to
circumvent the process.What is more frustrating is that people who
have broken the law, appear in court, and are sentenced for their crime are NOT
deported. The local courts routinely turn a blind eye to illegal immigrants who
have committed a crime. The current legal climate set by the Obama
administration encourages the blind eye approach yet this family is on the ICE
radar. That inequality seems wrong. I hope they find peace in the future,
whereever they end up.
On June 11, 2011, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued an
official statement of their position on immigration, which says in part,
"What to do with the estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants now
residing in various states within the United States is the biggest challenge in
the immigration debate. The bedrock moral issue for The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints is how we treat each other as children of God...."The Church supports an approach where undocumented immigrants are allowed
to square themselves with the law and continue to work without this necessarily
leading to citizenship."
Michaelitos,By your logic, any negative consequence of lawbreaking
should cause us to forgo carrying out justice for the crime. I feel compassion
for those affected by any illegal act including the families of those violating
the law. I also do my best not to hate those who commit even the most heinous
crimes, with varying degrees of success.Mercy is important. I hope
for and need it in my own life regularly, but I cannot continue to do wrong and
expect no consequences. These women have had more than enough time to make
things right on their own. The law has finally caught up with them, it appears.
I hope they will make a good life for themselves and their children in Mexico.
Darrell,You continue to miss the point. When you pay the fine for a
speeding ticket, that does not give you license to continue to speed. Serial
offenders have their licenses revoked.The obvious remedy for ILLEGAL
immigration is deportation.Janet,I understand how some
that are in favor of illegal immigration see those who stand for upholding
border control and immigration laws as somehow uncaring. I'm sure some are
but the vast majority are not. We simply believe that these laws are vital to
our nation's interests and to maintaining order and fairness to ourselves
as citizens. There are countless negative repercussions associated with illegal
immigration. The law needs to be enforced for the good of all.
Here's the solution to this problem:Do they speak English? Are
they willing to renouce Mexican citizenship? Are they free of criminal
behavior? If yes to all three, then make them citizens of the US and be done
with it. If they don't speak English, if they claim they are
still Mexican, if they have fake Social Security numbers then deport them and
their children back to Mexico and make them return under legal measures. I'm sick of the sob stories. People need to stop living lies, get
yourselves legal and immigrate the right way.
You were brought here illegally. You have never become citizens. You have
disobeyed laws for decades. Now time for the real law to kick in.
It sounds to me like we're no longer going to enforce speeding laws! Yay!
Can we make such optional laws retroactive, so I can get the money back
I've spent on speeding laws?These three women should be taking
out their frustration on their parents who chose to put their lives in the
balance the way they did. That is the disgusting part of this story.I do feel for these women and their kids, but I also see blatant disregard for
our immigration laws. They've worked the system to their advantage for a
couple of decades, now. They accepted the risk and got caught.The
front door is open!
This non-stop propoganda is only making me all the more firm in standing against
illegal immigration and ensuring that those who violate our immigration laws
face the consequence of their actions. No sympathy here. You break the law, you
pay the fine.And shame on the Deseret News and its affiliates for
having no compassion for the rest of us (except those who profit by illegal
How do people get through school without a birth certificate, or social security
They were placed under deportation orders in 1997. It has taken ICE this long to
chase them down. Working committed felonies. We are not
hearing a change in conversation on immigration from Utah's media.
This is a nation of laws. I choose to be here because that is one thing that
continues to make this country so great. If you don't like the law, then
try to get it changed, leave the country or break the law and suffer the
consequences. This article sounds like nothing more than a reality TV show ..
and too many people are getting sucked into that stuff lately. These women have
been knowingly hiding for YEARS and now that they are having to pay consequences
they are trying to come across as these poor innocent victims (or DN is painting
that kind of picture for them).And for those of you who want to
apply church principles to this situation, the LDS church does NOT withhold
temple recommends to illegals. So put that in your pipe and chew it for awhile.
DN SubscriberCottonwood Heights, UT"My life would be
better if I did not have to bother paying taxes."Amen, brother,
though I'd be happier about paying taxes if the government weren't
robbing Peter to pay for Paul, while skimming 50% off the top to pay for
handling the money.
This is a hot button issue for me because my paternal grandfather came to this
country as a legal immigrant with my father as a child. My grandfather had
little education but a desire to improve life for his family. My father dropped
out of high school so he could help support his family in the 1930's. My 4
oldest children have now graduated from college and my grandfathers dream has
come true. The government needs to enforce the Constitution and
defend our country from invaders. So don't give me this
bleeding heart story of illegals. These women could have taken steps to be here
legally but they chose not to. They can take their children with them so no
family is split up. Criminals go to jail every day and leave their children
behind everyday, where is the bleeding heart story for them?
I have to agree. The laws of the land have to be obeyed or else consequences
will follow. Exceptions can't be made, even if they are outstanding
citizens. I think it's hilarious how the media portrays the story like the
children will be left without their Mom. If the Mom goes, the children can and
should go with her. Sorry, but the law is the law and you knew very well what
you were getting yourself into by not abiding by it.
I am shocked by the lack of compassion shown in many of these posts. Even more
disturbing is the apparent misuse of prophetic counsel to justify harsh
feelings.For every general conference talk on obeying the law, one
can also easily find one on mercy. Too many of us, I fear, cry for justice for
others, then turn around and plead for mercy for ourselves. From Pres. Hinckley,
"How godlike a quality is mercy. It cannot be legislated. It must come from
the heart. It must be stirred up from within... I plead for an effort among all
of us to give greater expression and wider latitude to this instinct which lies
within us."I do not advocate breaking the law. However, I hope
to remind a few that we are dealing with people, children of a Heavenly Father
who loves them, even families - that divine institution ordained by God.I encourage everyone to look up Pres. Hinckley's talk Blessed Are
the Merciful given in April, 1990, and then to review Pres. Monson's talk
Mercy - The Divine Gift given in April 1995.My heart goes out to
these poor women and their families.
The law is the law. Enforce the law. If this is an on going occurance word will
get out in Mexico and other countries that you will be sent home no matter how
long it takes. Which now says where to place the blame.It lies right at the feet
of the U.S. Gov. In allowing the law to be mocked for so long it has encouraged
this kind of activity. People think that if they stay under the radar they will
not be found out about and escape the penalties that the law provides.Or some
bleeding hearts will offer amnesty for votes. If the law would be ridigedly and
massively enforced these incidents would not keep occuring. Also impose
crippleing penalties for employers who hire illegals.
It really doesn't matter how godd a citizen they are, they are still here
Ditto to all of the above except Janet from OR.
DarrelIf the children went to school they stole the time of the teacher
from every legal immigrant and citizen. Not to mention the tax payers money
intended for citizens. How on earth did they work? If they did not
have a green card with authorization to work? I have friends that had green
cards and some could work and others could not--that is what legal immigrants do
--they obey the laws so then can become citizens or stay in the country.If they did work they stole a job of a citizen.Who exactly
paid for the births of their children if they were born in a hospital? Copper
Queen Hospital in Bisbee Arizona would argue with you that illegals harm no one.
From 1999 to 2004 they had $1.4 million dollar uncompensated costs for treating
illegals. For a 14 bed hospital that is a staggering number. They closed their
long term care facility because of it and had to cut the hours of their staff.
The Tucson Weekly has an article about this catastrophe in health care in
Arizona caused by illegals there. It is not a victim less crime,
every American Citizen is a victim.
The number one change that needs to be made to our immigration laws is to
reverse automatic citizenship for infants born on US soil. If either of their
parents are in the US illegally, the children born here should not become
automatic citizens. That would solve the problem when deportation occurs -- the
children could also be deported. It would also take away some incentives in
having illegals come here to have children.
@Ali999"These women broke the law, received due process, and were
ordered deported by a court, then proceeded to ignore that order. It's the
same as speeding, getting caught, being ordered to pay a fine or do jail time,
then not doing so. It's not the same as your example at all"========The difference is, once the fine has been paid, the matter
is closed and the violator can carry on with his life.Wouldn't it
make more sense, to fine these women, and then allow them to start the process
of receiving legal resident status? Wouldn't society be better served that
way? That way Justice can have hers, while allowing these otherwise law abiding
indviduals continue to contribute.Not knowing you personally, I can
only assume (and probably be accurate) that you are here due to immigration in
some form, whether your first, second or twentieth generation. We are a nation
that has been blessed and prospered with immigration. On a human
note, other than being born here (an action I have no control over), why do I
possess a special claim on the blessings of this land, and someone else does
If they are lds they should know what the prophet said. Obey the Law, enough
said! Not being rude and if mom goes first to be deported then those kids should
go with her at the same time.
To those who feel no compassion in this case: "Judge not that ye be not
judged." Your necks are stiff and your hearts are hard, and you make me want
Darrrell wrote: "To those who went 66 mph, even if momentarily and
accidentally in their cars on their way to work, did you go to the police
station and turn yourself in? How is this any different?"-----------------These women broke the law, received due process, and were
ordered deported by a court, then proceeded to ignore that order. It's the
same as speeding, getting caught, being ordered to pay a fine or do jail time,
then not doing so. It's not the same as your example at all.
Darrell, multiply these 3 women by 6 million or so, and THAT's the harm
that is done. What makes these women "special"? What makes them any
different than 20 million or so other illegal aliens? Yes, their parents brought
them here, but the fact is, the parents were deported only 4 years after coming
so why did the sisters remain here the next 17 years despite the deportation
order? They're as responsible for their situation as any illegal alien
"If my parents stole $2,000,000 and bought a house I would expect then when
it was discovered the house would be taken from them and their innocent children
would be feel the effects of that too. "A huge difference here,
is no harm was done to anyone. No one was stolen from, they have no criminal
records, and have been in the country for going on 18 years. They have been
productive members of society.Were laws broken? Yes. Do the laws
make sense? No. Should some common sense be applied here? Yes. Will anarchy
result in allowing these women to stay? Probably not. What is the greater
good, enforcing a law, for just the law's sake and potentially destroying a
family (their kids are US citizens, and the article does not mention if they are
married, but the spouses may not be allowed to enter Mexico), or allow them a
process to stay here legally?To those who went 66 mph, even if
momentarily and accidentally in their cars on their way to work, did you go to
the police station and turn yourself in? How is this any different?
Dr. Groovey, these women violated a court order. That's NOT a
"technical violation" of the law. For the rest of us, we'd get
thrown in jail. Illegal immigration hurts American workers. You think the
Americans couldn't have used the jobs these women were holding illegally?
And who's paying for the births of their children? The article
doesn't tell us who or where the fathers are. Chances are good that the US
taxpayer paid for their births and possibly their care.You might
also note that the PARENTS of these women were deported back to Mexico only 4
years after coming here. If "family" is so important, then why
didn't these sisters return to Mexico with their parents? Instead, they
apparently remained here illegally of their own volition AFTER they became
adults and responsible for their actions.
Sad case but eventually things catch up. This story, however, is another in a
long line of stories that shows the Desert News' bias towards illegal
immigration. There was a "sad" story Sunday, too. That's the
worst part of the story.
If my parents stole $2,000,000 and bought a house I would expect then when it
was discovered the house would be taken from them and their innocent children
would be feel the effects of that too. If laws are not enforced then
there is no civilization and anarchy deprives everyone. It is all
part of property rights and law which makes us different then Somalia.They can return to Mexico and do rather well with their American paid
I feel when people come here like this maybe their cases need to be handled
individually. I can't even imagine the fear almost every day of wondering
if you are going to be picked up and sent back to a country where there is such
poverty, crime and killings. I feel compassion needs to come into play here
also. If someone is here and they are contributing to their community and
society then they should be able to stay. These Mom's do not know what
Mexico is like. I think if I had lived in Mexico I would have found a way to get
to America. I wonder if fear is what is making these people miss appointments.
I don't agree that every person who is here illegally should be sent back.
Only the ones who are committing crimes.
Entering this country illegally is about the same as speeding. Yes, it is
illegal, but yes, it hurts no one and is only a violation of a technical law.All those who want to destroy families and lives by deporting people
like these women really need to reevaluate their own value systems. It defies
all common sense and Christian Principle to deport these women.
The sins of the parents have been placed upon their children.It is
not my fault, or that of the U.S. government, that their parents broke our laws
and brought them here illegally.We either have laws, borders, and
the rule of law, or we have no country at all, and anyone can come or go as they
wish.I am empathetic to their problems, but rather than justifying
sympathy for these unfortunate people, this should be used as a lesson to
reinforce the need for EVERYONE to obey our immigration laws, and avoid placing
others in this situation.If special exceptions are allowed for these
individuals, then please tell me which of our laws I am free to ignore with
impunity. My life would be better if I did not have to bother paying taxes, so
is that okay?Just another pro-amnesty advocacy story pretending to
be news. This sort of stuff really makes we want to cancel my subscription.
Sad situation. Although they may be good people, they clearly were not citizens
and have been aware of their status since at least 1997. After 15 years, they
had time to apply for citizenship. Had that process been started when they
turned 18, age of responsibility, this situation could have been prevented. Why
don't LDS leaders help their members make progress in this area to avoid
these heartbreaking stories? LDS are to follow the laws of the nation.
"They are employed and pay taxes."-----------------All this proves
is that they're breaking yet other laws. Working here without
authorization is illegal, so just how are they doing this? What did they use as
proof of eligibility to work? Someone else's SS number?
Shame on their parents for bringing them here in the first place. That being
said, it sounds like they have always known they were here illegally. They have
been hiding from the law, hoping not to get caught for a very long time. They
don't have to split up the family. That is a red herring. The kids can
return to Mexico with them.
Waaah! Which principles are higher? Obey the law of the land? Bloom where you
were planted? Stay home and build the Kingdom? The Church is the same wherever
one goes, there are temples dotting Mexico, they will be welcomed and eased into
life wherever they land, so why the angst and sensationalistic handling of
people being served justice? If their stolen benefits, and lawless homesteading
were so important, why didn't they seek proper processes to achieve their
goals?Stealing is much easier. Justice cannot also be cheated, and
must be done.