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Published: Monday, June 4 2012 10:24 a.m. MDT

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@naval vet

P.S.

And yes you did watch every single BYU game then commented on all of them. I watched about half of utah's games, I haven't ever pretended otherwise. Good thing kjzz was around to broadcast them otherwise I couldn't have watched that many.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

CougFaninTX:

The cougars didn't improve over the course of the season. Their schedule waned. Big difference.

Duckhunter:

The following games were aired in Philadelphia: USC (Vs), the Indy-WACers (ESPN2), Washington (FOX Sports), ASU (FOX Sports), Pitt (ESPNU), Arizona (FOX Sports), UCLA (I can't remember if that was Vs. or FOX Sports), WSU (FOX Sports), Colorado (I can't remember if that was ESPN or FOX Sports), and Ga. Tech (NBC). I missed only the Pittsburgh game and Ga. Tech games, but only because I was AT those events. MSU, Cal, and OSU did not see airtime on the East Coast.

But we COULD watch them on the internet; even though I didn't.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Duckhunter:

"No you didn't watch 9 utah games on national tv. You are be untruthful again."

No, I wasn't being untruthful. I merely misspoke. I did NOT watch 9 games on TV last season. I only watched 7: USC (Vs.), the Indy-WACers (ESPN2), and Washington, ASU, Cal, OSU, and Colorado (all on FOX Sports). I didn't watch Pittsburgh (ESPNU) or Ga. Tech (CBS) on television, but only because I watched them at Heinz Field and at the Sun Bowl. What I MEANT to say was "ABLE TO" watch 9 games back here in Philadelphia.

CougFaninTX:

The cougars did not get better as the season wore on. Their schedule just got worse. There's a BIG difference. Don't forget that when you played TCU late in the season, you did not show the same "improvement" as you did vs. UCF, USU, SJSU, ISU, or OSU. In fact, you guys struggled with UCF, USU, and OSU. Not struggling vs. SJSU, ISU, Idaho, NMSU, or Hawai'i does not mean you "improved".

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Duckhunter:

I "read" about the Indy-WACers games, and commented on them. I did not "watch" them.

Except for the Utah game that is. 54-10, and your boys quit. Haha!

Have fun down there in the WAC.

Mid-majors forever.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Ducky,

For the record I have never once stated that BYU fans have a bad deal with BYUTV and ESPN. If I'm a coug fan I'm pretty dang happy that I can see my cougs every week.
If I'm a season ticket holder I'm certainly NOT happy ... especially if I live in Salt Lake County traveling to Provo for weeknight games ... and late games at that.
I'm simply saying the non-BYU fans are not going to be tuning into BYUTV which doesn't give BYU the "exposure" outside its own fan base it's "fans" profess to have.
Even the ESPN games are more often than not in a time slot and day of week when viewership is much lower. ESPN likes BYU, no argument there. BYU has a great following due to the LDS church, no argument there either. But make no mistake, BYU's arrangement with ESPN and BYUTV doesn't exactly mean they're getting the exposure you all like to brag about.
All that being said ... I reiterate, if I was a BYU fan without season tickets, I'm pleased as punch that I can see all the games.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

" U got the best of us on September 17. This year will not be the same."

For once, CougFan is right. He knows the Y's blowout loss this year will be September 15th, not the 17th.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

I like the night thursday and friday noight games, they don't interfere with the games my youth team plays on saturdays. It works out great for me and all the parents of the boys that play youth football. friday's do occasionally interfere with thHS games. I don't like that. But of course utah has just as many thursday and friday games scheduled as BYU does so what is your point?

I'm a season ticket holder, since 1980, and I'm more than happy with how things are.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Ducky ...

"But of course utah has just as many thursday and friday games scheduled as BYU does so what is your point?"

I thought I was pretty clear with "my point". In fact it's really not "my point" at all. Several of your fellow BYU fans have complained about the fact that they as season ticket holders are expected to drive down to Provo from their homes in SLC or wherever else to watch a Thur night game that starts at 8:30pm against a lousy opponent.

Not everyone is coaching their kids teams on Saturday and live in Highland, UT as you do. See "my point"?

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Ducky ...

To further answer your question ... the majority of Utah season ticket holders are in Salt Lake County, Thur/Fri games aren't as much of an issue. Whereas BYU probably has a good quarter or more of their season ticket holders that drive from outside of Utah County to attend their games.

That being said, I'm not a huge fan of Utah playing Thur/Fri games either ... the benefit that I do see in those games is there aren't many if any other games being broadcast so it can be a way for the country to see your program.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Ducky ...

Consider also ... not all Thur/Fri games are alike.

1) How many home/away? How many games do you inconvenience season ticket holders?
BYU 3/4 at home Utah 2/2

2) Opponent (Interesting for the COUNTRY to watch)
BYU 1.5 (Boise St and half credit for Washington State - half-way interesting opponent for the country to watch)
Utah 1.5 (USC and half credit for Colorado - see WSU comment above)

3) Other reasons why a Thur/Fri game makes sense for the fans that week?
BYU - USU game ... General Conf.
UTAH - Colorado game ... fans off work for Thanksgiving weekend.

4) Start time
BYU 8:15, 7:00, 6:00, 8:15 - 7:00 in Boise is great, 6:00 affects commuters and SLC fans but it's a good time for national audience. 8:15 games - no one in CST/EST will watch the game. MST is even debatable, certainly for duration.
Utah 6:00 and the rest unknown. 6:00 in Logan works fine other than for those that want to travel to Logan.

Not all that different but there are reasons Utah's 4 non-Saturday games make a bit more sense.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

Once again most of the fans don't mind the thur/fri games. Also every game BYU plays on thur/fri has plenty of interest for the fans themselves. You are also wrong about people in the central/east not watching games that start at 8:15 here. Obviously the BYU fans in those areas will watch as will the fans of the schools they play. But you fail to realize that tv schedules in the east always have a 1 hour later start than they do here. If a network show starts at 9pm here it starts at 10 pm back east, that is just how they do it. Same with news broadcasts, ours start at 10, in the east they don't start until 11pm. Those people are accustomed to everything being 1 hour later.

But every single school and every single fanbase is going to have to deal with this as it is the trend. It is all about tv now and because of that any team that is worthy of tv will have some weeknights and odd times, it is just how it is when you are relevent enough for national broadcast.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

I do agree that BYU's vastly larger and more geographically spread out fanbase will have a harder time attending weeknight games than utah's exclusively sl valley fanbase. But once again the fans will either attend or give their tickets to someone that will attend. If it was idaho st. on thursday night (of course we both know it wouldn't be because that game doesn't have enough tv interest to warrant an exclusive thursday time slot) then perhaps it would affect attendence but all of the thursday/friday games BYU is scheduled to play this year hold plenty of fan interest and will be well attended.

And then there is this little fact. Other than how much fun it is arguing wth utah "fans" I don't actually care what utah "fans" think about this. It works out great for me and most BYU fans. Because of BYU's national following many, many, more fans get to see the games because of this. BYU fans all over the country get to see almost every single game BYU plays. If 5000 locals stay home and watch it on tv then it is worth it.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Sorry Duck but it's you who is wrong.
I've spent about 1/3 of my time on the east coast in the last 5 years as I travel constantly for work. I guarantee you a 10:15 start time on the east coast when BYU plays USU will be watched by next to no one out east unless they're fans of those schools. Even then, the tv sets will probably turn off at half time.
You know this is true, you just have a difficult time admitting anything negative about your cougars beloved "exposure".

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

Actually it is you that is wrong. Once again people that are BYU fans, and people that are football fans, will watch. That is the way it works. Sure not every person on the east coast is going to stay up to watch a game on late but there'll be plenty that do.

But how many football fans are going to want to watch the utah/arizona game on the pac12 regional network they won't even have? And even if they do have it why would those east coast people want to watch it anyway when they can watch whatever Florida, Alabama, Ohio St. Michigan, Penn St., Aurburn, Oklahoma, Texas, Georgia, FSU, Miami, NC, SC, Pitt, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Tennessee, LSU, TT, T A&M, Maryland, Syracuse, West Virginia, Nebraska, Illinois, Louisville, Arkansas.......etc. game is on at the same time? The answer is they won't. Pretty much no one will watch that game. Or the utah/wsu, utah/cal, utah/osu, utah/asu, utah/ucla, etc. games. Even the west coast games involving every pac12 team other than wsu will draw more viewers than any utah game.

More will watch late night BYU.

LOL!

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