@motorbikeActually it is you that is wrong. Once again people that
are BYU fans, and people that are football fans, will watch. That is the way it
works. Sure not every person on the east coast is going to stay up to watch a
game on late but there'll be plenty that do.But how many
football fans are going to want to watch the utah/arizona game on the pac12
regional network they won't even have? And even if they do have it why
would those east coast people want to watch it anyway when they can watch
whatever Florida, Alabama, Ohio St. Michigan, Penn St., Aurburn, Oklahoma,
Texas, Georgia, FSU, Miami, NC, SC, Pitt, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Tennessee, LSU,
TT, T A&M, Maryland, Syracuse, West Virginia, Nebraska, Illinois,
Louisville, Arkansas.......etc. game is on at the same time? The answer is they
won't. Pretty much no one will watch that game. Or the utah/wsu, utah/cal,
utah/osu, utah/asu, utah/ucla, etc. games. Even the west coast games involving
every pac12 team other than wsu will draw more viewers than any utah game. More will watch late night BYU. LOL!
Sorry Duck but it's you who is wrong.I've spent about 1/3 of my
time on the east coast in the last 5 years as I travel constantly for work. I
guarantee you a 10:15 start time on the east coast when BYU plays USU will be
watched by next to no one out east unless they're fans of those schools.
Even then, the tv sets will probably turn off at half time.You know this
is true, you just have a difficult time admitting anything negative about your
cougars beloved "exposure".
@motorbikeI do agree that BYU's vastly larger and more
geographically spread out fanbase will have a harder time attending weeknight
games than utah's exclusively sl valley fanbase. But once again the fans
will either attend or give their tickets to someone that will attend. If it was
idaho st. on thursday night (of course we both know it wouldn't be because
that game doesn't have enough tv interest to warrant an exclusive thursday
time slot) then perhaps it would affect attendence but all of the
thursday/friday games BYU is scheduled to play this year hold plenty of fan
interest and will be well attended. And then there is this little
fact. Other than how much fun it is arguing wth utah "fans" I don't
actually care what utah "fans" think about this. It works out great for
me and most BYU fans. Because of BYU's national following many, many, more
fans get to see the games because of this. BYU fans all over the country get to
see almost every single game BYU plays. If 5000 locals stay home and watch it on
tv then it is worth it.
@motorbikeOnce again most of the fans don't mind the thur/fri
games. Also every game BYU plays on thur/fri has plenty of interest for the fans
themselves. You are also wrong about people in the central/east not watching
games that start at 8:15 here. Obviously the BYU fans in those areas will watch
as will the fans of the schools they play. But you fail to realize that tv
schedules in the east always have a 1 hour later start than they do here. If a
network show starts at 9pm here it starts at 10 pm back east, that is just how
they do it. Same with news broadcasts, ours start at 10, in the east they
don't start until 11pm. Those people are accustomed to everything being 1
hour later. But every single school and every single fanbase is
going to have to deal with this as it is the trend. It is all about tv now and
because of that any team that is worthy of tv will have some weeknights and odd
times, it is just how it is when you are relevent enough for national broadcast.
Ducky ...Consider also ... not all Thur/Fri games are alike.1) How many home/away? How many games do you inconvenience season ticket
holders?BYU 3/4 at home Utah 2/2 2) Opponent (Interesting for
the COUNTRY to watch)BYU 1.5 (Boise St and half credit for Washington
State - half-way interesting opponent for the country to watch)Utah 1.5
(USC and half credit for Colorado - see WSU comment above)3) Other
reasons why a Thur/Fri game makes sense for the fans that week?BYU - USU
game ... General Conf. UTAH - Colorado game ... fans off work for
Thanksgiving weekend.4) Start timeBYU 8:15, 7:00, 6:00, 8:15 -
7:00 in Boise is great, 6:00 affects commuters and SLC fans but it's a good
time for national audience. 8:15 games - no one in CST/EST will watch the game.
MST is even debatable, certainly for duration.Utah 6:00 and the rest
unknown. 6:00 in Logan works fine other than for those that want to travel to
Logan.Not all that different but there are reasons Utah's 4
non-Saturday games make a bit more sense.
Ducky ...To further answer your question ... the majority of Utah
season ticket holders are in Salt Lake County, Thur/Fri games aren't as
much of an issue. Whereas BYU probably has a good quarter or more of their
season ticket holders that drive from outside of Utah County to attend their
games.That being said, I'm not a huge fan of Utah playing
Thur/Fri games either ... the benefit that I do see in those games is there
aren't many if any other games being broadcast so it can be a way for the
country to see your program.
Ducky ..."But of course utah has just as many thursday and
friday games scheduled as BYU does so what is your point?"I
thought I was pretty clear with "my point". In fact it's really not
"my point" at all. Several of your fellow BYU fans have complained about
the fact that they as season ticket holders are expected to drive down to Provo
from their homes in SLC or wherever else to watch a Thur night game that starts
at 8:30pm against a lousy opponent.Not everyone is coaching their
kids teams on Saturday and live in Highland, UT as you do. See "my
@motorbikeI like the night thursday and friday noight games, they
don't interfere with the games my youth team plays on saturdays. It works
out great for me and all the parents of the boys that play youth football.
friday's do occasionally interfere with thHS games. I don't like that.
But of course utah has just as many thursday and friday games scheduled as BYU
does so what is your point?I'm a season ticket holder, since
1980, and I'm more than happy with how things are.
" U got the best of us on September 17. This year will not be the
same."For once, CougFan is right. He knows the Y's blowout
loss this year will be September 15th, not the 17th.
Ducky,For the record I have never once stated that BYU fans have a
bad deal with BYUTV and ESPN. If I'm a coug fan I'm pretty dang happy
that I can see my cougs every week.If I'm a season ticket holder
I'm certainly NOT happy ... especially if I live in Salt Lake County
traveling to Provo for weeknight games ... and late games at that.I'm
simply saying the non-BYU fans are not going to be tuning into BYUTV which
doesn't give BYU the "exposure" outside its own fan base it's
"fans" profess to have.Even the ESPN games are more often than not
in a time slot and day of week when viewership is much lower. ESPN likes BYU, no
argument there. BYU has a great following due to the LDS church, no argument
there either. But make no mistake, BYU's arrangement with ESPN and BYUTV
doesn't exactly mean they're getting the exposure you all like to brag
about.All that being said ... I reiterate, if I was a BYU fan without
season tickets, I'm pleased as punch that I can see all the games.
Duckhunter:I "read" about the Indy-WACers games, and
commented on them. I did not "watch" them.Except for the
Utah game that is. 54-10, and your boys quit. Haha!Have fun down
there in the WAC.Mid-majors forever.
Duckhunter:"No you didn't watch 9 utah games on national
tv. You are be untruthful again."No, I wasn't being
untruthful. I merely misspoke. I did NOT watch 9 games on TV last season. I
only watched 7: USC (Vs.), the Indy-WACers (ESPN2), and Washington, ASU, Cal,
OSU, and Colorado (all on FOX Sports). I didn't watch Pittsburgh (ESPNU)
or Ga. Tech (CBS) on television, but only because I watched them at Heinz Field
and at the Sun Bowl. What I MEANT to say was "ABLE TO" watch 9 games
back here in Philadelphia.CougFaninTX:The cougars did
not get better as the season wore on. Their schedule just got worse.
There's a BIG difference. Don't forget that when you played TCU late
in the season, you did not show the same "improvement" as you did vs.
UCF, USU, SJSU, ISU, or OSU. In fact, you guys struggled with UCF, USU, and
OSU. Not struggling vs. SJSU, ISU, Idaho, NMSU, or Hawai'i does not mean
CougFaninTX:The cougars didn't improve over the course of the
season. Their schedule waned. Big difference. Duckhunter:
The following games were aired in Philadelphia: USC (Vs), the Indy-WACers
(ESPN2), Washington (FOX Sports), ASU (FOX Sports), Pitt (ESPNU), Arizona (FOX
Sports), UCLA (I can't remember if that was Vs. or FOX Sports), WSU (FOX
Sports), Colorado (I can't remember if that was ESPN or FOX Sports), and
Ga. Tech (NBC). I missed only the Pittsburgh game and Ga. Tech games, but only
because I was AT those events. MSU, Cal, and OSU did not see airtime on the
East Coast.But we COULD watch them on the internet; even though I
@naval vetP.S.And yes you did watch every single BYU
game then commented on all of them. I watched about half of utah's games, I
haven't ever pretended otherwise. Good thing kjzz was around to broadcast
them otherwise I couldn't have watched that many.
@naval vetNo you didn't watch 9 utah games on national tv. You
are be untruthful again.LOL!
Coug Fanin Texas .......If you look at the entire season as a whole for Utah
it's much the same. Thou Utah had an off day in getting beat by Colorado,
they did win a much better Georgia Tech team in their bowl game and we did it
with a D2 quarterback. As for this years rivalry game you need to realize a few
things. Utah has its best recruiting class of all time, they will be even better
this year, and the rivalry game is at Utah. I'm sure last year you
predicted a Couger win just like this year. Don't count on it. It's
not going to happen.
@Naval Vet - Seriously, do you think ESPN would broadcast 11 of BYUs 13 games
last year if nobody was watching them? I know it's hard for you to admit,
but the number of fans who follow / watch BYU football eclipses the number who
follow / watch Utah.You can continue to enjoy your 54-10 thumping of
BYU last year or you can look at the season as a whole, where BYU did quite
well. I think we all know which team would have won if the game were played in
November when BYU was peaking and Utah was getting thumped by a terrible
Colorado team.But I'm happy to concede, U got the best of us on
September 17. This year will not be the same.
Duckhunter:P.S.: Back here in Philadelphia, I get ESPN, ESPN2,
ESPN3, and ESPNU. I also get byuTV. Do you know how many Y games I watched
last season?ONE! And that's INCLUDING the postseason. But
that "ONE" game was a great one, wasn't it? 54-10! As for your
byuTV...I watched it TWICE: General Conference in Oct. 2011, and Mar. 2012.Now on the flip side, I'm quite certain you watched more than 1
Utah game...even if it was on Vs. or KJZZ."I understand the
basic utah 'fan' inferiority complex contributes to your need to make
ridiculous claims but other than for mocking of you purposes I don't
care."Inferiority complex? Need to make ridiculous claims?
Wow! Duckhunter = uber hypocriteHave fun down there in the WAC!
Duckhunter:"All the majority of BYU fans care about is that they
can see BYU sports, between ESPN, which will always far exceed anything the
pac12 networks will do, and then BYUtv, BYU fans have better access to watch
their schools sports than pretty much any other fans of any other school there
is. This is a fact."Aren't you one of the frantic and
emotional ones who claim that the Indy-WACers have a "National Brand",
while the Utes' only appeal is inside the SL Valley? And if the vast
majority of Utah fans live within Utah's borders [which I believe they do],
then wouldn't "all the majority of [UTAH] fans care about is that they
can see [UTAH] sports, between ESPN...and then [FOX and/or the Pac-12
Network]"? So what would you have to jeer about? It seems to me that the
only folks that should be concerned is the number of Utah fans/alumni who live
outside of the Utah/Colorado region. And yet...we're NOT! Last year, I
watched 9 Utah games on "national TV". This year, if I get AT LEAST 10,
no harm, no foul.
@motorbikeI'm sure we'll find out. But as of this date in
time the pac12 family of networks is nowhere near BYUtv in distribution across
the country, or the world. You can sit back and wait for that
"hilarious" outcome, like you have a choice, but even that is not of any
real importance to me other than as fodder to mock utah "fans".All the majority of BYU fans care about is that they can see BYU sports,
between ESPN, which will always far exceed anything the pac12 networks will do,
and then BYUtv, BYU fans have better access to watch their schools sports than
pretty much any other fans of any other school there is. This is a fact.What is hilarious is utah "fans" like yourself tha somehow think
any of that is a negative for BYU fans. I understand the basic utah
"fan" inferiority complex contributes to your need to make ridiculous
claims but other than for mocking of you purposes I don't care. I do love
the mocking part though, really enjoy it.
Ducky,I'm confident that wherever the Pac 12 channels land that
they'll each be viewed as much or more than BYUTV. The main Pac 12 station
is a no brainer, it's only the regional ones we can debate what viewership
will be. Won't it be hilarious if channels that are requiring a
higher priced tier, depending on where you live, still generate more total
viewers than BYUTV which is available on all basic packages throughout the
country and beyond?
@motorbikeActually to get viewers the station actually has to be on
their tv sets.
The future football playoffs are very unlikely to be limited to conference
champions because of (at least) two factors:1- The SEC and Big 12 both
want the 4 best teams available on the thought that they could qualify 2 teams
in some years.2- This will leave out the independents and there is a lot
of support to include Notre Dame.
Duck HunterWhy are you so obsessed with Utah Football? You troll the Utes
threads; kinda sad.Utah is part of the in croud. BYU is on the
outside, looking in. Just the way it is.
"Next week the league will hold a "draft" with their media partners
in order to pick games for air and should release a schedule sometime shortly
thereafter."Wonder if KJZZ got the notice or if Uncle Larry got
a deal on the old 'theMTN' network equipment?We shall now
see the true marketability and appeal that the Utes bring to the table. Last
year KJZZ saved the day, this year?Get your excuses ready!
Ducky,No my friend, the difference is how many viewers will actually
tune into the games. Whether it's a paid subscription or free, how many
televisions are tuned into the game? THAT is what matters.
@motorbikeThe difference is they actually can watch it if they
desire to do so. That is a very big difference.
Hey Ducky,Go poll america and ask them all what channel they can
find BYUTV on. Then ask if they've ever actually watched it.
I love it, 5 comments and 4 are from utah "fans" obsessing about BYU.As far as the pac12 network is concerned naval vet you probably ought to
save your celebration until it is actually on enough cable and sattelite systems
nationwide to actually be available to people. As of this post it is not going
to be available to even 1/2 of the people BYUtv is available to and for those it
is available to none of them can get it on a basic system. They have to pay for
an expanded system to receive it. Outside of slc not to many care enough to pay
@couglifer....says the BYU fan who purposely clicked on a Utah
article, wrote a not-so-witty comment, and clicked submit....
yup i can see how far you all have pasted BYU by 3 comments and all 3 mention
BYU yup i can see it well maybe in 3 to 5 years
Guys we don't even have to bring up BYU or their fans when it comes to a
PAC-12 article, don't throw them any skittles PAC-12 tic, tock the game is
locked and byu isn't even in the conversation. It's just not worth it
guys, we've past them by in football 2-5 years in everything else.
"Pac-12 Network could release early football schedule soon." -- Bryan
Fischer, College Football Recruiting blogger"It's exciting,
T-minus 75 days, I think, until we launch on August 15th...As early as next week
we could be announcing the first three or four weeks of our football
schedule." -- Larry Scott, Pac-12 Commissioner"AWESOME!"
-- Naval VetGood for Utah! Bad for Duckhunter.
Can I just say how nice it is belonging to a conference? I
don't like BYU football although the school is very good. I see that some
fans justify the independence thing but know BYU would be better off in a strong
conference. BYU is not Notre Dame so I don't see this independence helping
their program in any way. I realize they will never be in the Pac 12 but the Big
12 is still a reality if ego's can be put away. Utah and BYU
are still attached in too many ways.Go Utes!