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Published: Friday, June 1 2012 11:21 a.m. MDT

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I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

Too much online screen time appears to be the common problem, whether it is gaming, porn, social networking, or watching movies, TV shows and such online. People substitute real relationships and engagement in real life for cyber relationships and activities.

So what is our society trying to do about that?

Pushing online education!

Now THAT makes sense!

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. If playing video games made you kill 77 people, then we would see A LOT more homicides in this fashion. More sensationalistic journalism.
Are porn and video game addictions real? Yes for some people perhaps, obviously not all, or even close.
Did violence on a mass scale exist prior to video games? Yes.
Did sexual misconduct exist prior to porn? Yes.

In fact the most violent of all wars happend to occur prior to video games.
We see naked pictures of people going back to stone age cave pictures.

Just some people trying to sell us an idea based on fear and fear mongering. move along nothing to see here.

AZ_True_Blue
Gilbert, AZ

Time to beat up men and boys again. How about Facebook, Pinterest, and Mommy Blogs? Any activity that takes up an inordinate amount of time should be tempered. The story does concede that some video games are good, but the headline perpetuates the idea that video games are as bad as porn.

Joey K
Sandy, UT

Don't we have enough to worry about already? Sometimes it seems like the media (in particular the Salt Lake Media), just drums up extra things for us to be afraid of. I understand the damage of pornography, but Video Games too? Take away video games and you are getting dangerously close to being neither of the world nor in the world. Sure video games are addicting and I'm sure some comments will reference how someone's son plays 12 hours a day. But anything is addicting in the hands of someone with no self control. Chocolate, Soda, TV, internet browsing (even harmless non-pornographic sites) can be addicting. My mom literally spends 8 hours a day talking to her friends on the phone about innane gossip. I guess that's okay, but if she spent that time playing Tetris she would be in an addictive pattern. Next week there will be an article about how young men playing Mrs. Pacman leads to homosexual tendencies... Sheeesh.

BYU Track Star
Los Angeles, CA

Yesterday (5/31), The DN published a story that Video Games may be good for your brain. So what is it DN? are video games good or bad for us OR a qualified Good or qualified bad for us?

Joe Moe
Logan, UT

Midvaliean, you are right that anecdotal evidence is not very weighty. I thought the same thing as I was reading it. People use it all the time as primary evidence to support various ideas, and it is frustrating.

But nor does citing anecdotal evidence mean that the conclusion is wrong. Anecdotal evidence gives life to the numbers game of scientific inquiry, so it's part of the picture, always will be. Take your anecdotal evidence (of a sort): "In fact the most violent of all wars happend to occur prior to video games." Ergo, we should conclude that violent video games have NO impact on real violence? What kind of logic is that?

All they are saying is that violent video games are a risk factor for real-life violence. Don't put words in their mouths. As I often note, it's very easy to win an argument (including in your own mind) if you are phrasing your opponent's argument, rather than contending with what they actually say!

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

OK, time to come clean. How many of you commenters brushing aside this study are into gaming or pornography?

The only people who defend gaming and pornography are those who are participating in...not a very strong position to argue from. I've never heard anyone who doesn't participate in gaming or pornography come out and say "you know, what the world really needs is more video games and porn."

Reminds me of how the only people arguing that cigarettes aren't bad for you were smokers.

I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

"The only people who defend gaming and pornography are those who are participating in."

Completely wrong! And insulting!

This is the kind of mindless judgmentalism we as LDS have become infamous for.

airnaut
Everett, 00

AZ_True_Blue
Gilbert, AZ
Time to beat up men and boys again.

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AGREED!

How about excessive cell-phones, texting, FaceBooking, 24/7 by young women?

Why is EVER study about trashing men?
Why is EVER study blaming ever breadk down on Society on Men?
Why is EVERYthing in the World blamed on Men?

I can look at the distorted world of June Cleaver and demand my house always be clean, the kids homework always done, and my wife dressed nice and always has dinner on the table the minute I get home from work.

And then launch into a tyrant countering every study and blaming women for it.

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

Men are responsible for their own behavior. Quit blaming everything else.

A1994
Centerville, UT

Kind of a weird picture with this article. Who puts on a suit and tie to view porn or play video games?

CougarinVegas
HENDERSON, NV

I am willing to bet that there is a statistically significant correlation between defensive commenters and pornography use. I think Brave Sir Robin is right. Pornography should be illegal in the US (as it is in other parts of the world). I have known young men who struggled with pornography who clearly underperformed in school and other pursuits. Nothing will convince me that the correlation is a chance thing.

uwishtoo
MESA, AZ

@ I M LDS 2

Actually online education is a great thing. I took some classes online and while I loved the convenience I did miss the interaction with a discussion in class.

But for a busy professional as myself that wanted to further their education and couldn't find the time between full time work and a full social life as well as volunteer work it was great for me. I could take the classes at midnite if I wanted to

justhappytobehere
Orem, UT

The difference between men and boys becoming addicted to porn and/or video games and girls and women spending too much time on social networking is that the females don't seem to be crippled by it. More and more men and boys have become far removed full participation in real life. Girls these days are doing big things with their lives. Just about everyone these days knows young men in their twenties who have crawled into their parents basements rarely to be seen. They are avoiding adult life and their habits/addictions are causing problems in their relationships with others. And possibly contributing to an increase of violence. If you men want to rip on women and accuse them of something detrimental to themselves and society, bring up eating disorders/body image problems. That seems to be the biggest challenge facing females these days. For males, it's porn and gaming. For females, it's body image.

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KJB1
Eugene, OR

Brave Sir Robin:

So, based on you've said, Mormons are in no position to defend the Church since they're "so heavily involved" in it.

Logic's a funny thing, isn't it?

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@KJB1

Reread what I said. I didn't say that porn users/gamer can't defend their practices...I said they're the ONLY ones defending their practices. Mormons defend their church, but there are lots of non-Mormons who defend it as well.

Reading comprehension's a funny thing, isn't it?

Guam_Bomb
BARRIGADA, GU

The world is such a different place than it was just a few years ago. I have to disagree with the conclusions on video games. I think it has as much to do with peoples view as anything else. My sone and his friends spent what I thought was too much time playing video games. But they did so in my house, with my supervision and occasionally my participation, or at a friends house where I knew the parents were doing the same thing. The boys played hours of video games, but they knew that when it was time to quit it was time. We also hiked, played sports, participated in scouting, etc. Several of these boys earned their eagle scouts, went on to college, are serving missions and have jobs. None of them have murdered anyone, or even committed any crimes. These so called studies are good at pointing out the problems but are light on solutions. I wonder how much time and money was wasted researching the obvious without suggesting any solutions to the problems.

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

@Brave Sir Robin: Can you please throw out the study you are basing your comments on?

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

Bebyebe,

I recommend watching Zimbardo's TED talk. While I didn't agree with everything he said, I think he made some good points.

He made a lengthy argument for circumstances being responsible for our choices. While I believe in free agency, and that accountability for our choices. (and I think"diffusion of personal responsibility".

I do believe in personal accountability and agency, but we aren't always the ones who make our choices or have the most control over them. Others are responsible for us at times, which creates circumstances. A feral child's knowledge and strength to choose may not be the same as a nurtured child.

Some people have been horrible enough to encourage porn to children, If someone did from infancy all the way to age 16, it would be morally unjust for us to hold an addicted 16 year old morally accountable for it. Personal responsibility and agency are real, but this only shows us that some things are on the heads of parents. Responsibility isn't exclusive to either us or others- but I believe we are accountable to our choices ACCORDING to other factors. Without such consideration, fair judgement couldn't exist.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

Brave Sir Robin:

I misread and misquoted you. My apologies.

Your logic still doesn't make any sense, though. I'm not a lot of things. I'm not a solider, a teacher, or a firefighter, but I'll still defend these as necessary jobs in society. I'm not a hunter or a gunowner, but I still think that people should have to right to do those things. I think most romantic comedies are silly, but I don't want them banned.

Just because I personally don't partake in something doesn't mean that I should sit back and watch it be buried in paranoia and shaky sermonizing. As long as it doesn't hurt me (and neither porn or video games do that), why should I care? The world's a lot bigger than me and my tastes, and thank heavens for that.

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