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Video games, porn hook young men, with sad consequences

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  • Frank Black South Jordan , UT
    June 3, 2012 6:18 p.m.

    To cougarian Vegas: Your answer is to make porn illegal? That's not going to solve the problem. They need a forum where they can talk about their and get help

  • Open Mind Taylorsville, UT
    June 2, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    For those who say that pornography isn't detrimental to a man's psyche, look at the Powells.

    Also, I think that gaming can be detrimental but certainly isn't always the case. The world of online gaming was made to get guys hooked on video games, and too much time playing video games, especially online is not ever going to be good.

    I have even noticed playing video games occasionally can cause me to be irratable and impatient, even though it is only a sports game and completely non-violent, I find myself at times playing until I win and am angry if I lose. Obviously, even the casual gamer such as myself would probably be better off going for a jog or do something else more productive.

  • Reasonandlogic LEHI, UT
    June 2, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    It is pretty clear that there is such a thing as gaming and porn addiction that goes on by males and females alike, just mostly males. If anyone plays video games 12 hours a day or watches porn for even a couple hours a day... they have some serious problems that likely require counseling. However, quit trying to sell us that all video gamers and pornography watchers will destroy their relationships and end up in their parents basement. It's just not true and a perpetuated lie. Almost all people engage in an activity that doesn't generally produce an attributable skill to their life, its called entertainment. If that entertainment is not illegal they have every right to participate in it as long as they can moderate it and not let it become an addiction. Don't forget that even some people who are addicted gamers or addicted to social media (or whatever) find meaningful relationships with other people who are addicted to the same things. If my wife became addicted to soap operas tomorrow and I couldn't get her to stop... should I then divorce her because she is living in a women's romantic fantasy world?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin
    I think a lot of non-gamers are just fine with video games as long as the person is playing them in moderation. Functionally there is no difference between playing Mario Kart with friends and playing Monopoly with friends except Mario Kart is probably less likely to leave everyone angry afterwards.

  • Walt Nicholes Orem, UT
    June 2, 2012 6:23 a.m.

    If anecdotal evidence is to be accepted, here's some:

    As a member of a bishopric I asked young men why they would prefer video gaming to going out and socializing and dating. In general they conceded that they should be looking for a meaningful relationship, but that relationships with women were hard, and video gaming was easy.

    The consensus seemed to be that the demands and requirements of dating were so complex and hard to master, that video gaming was much more rewarding.

    I'm not blaming anyone - just making the observation.

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    June 2, 2012 6:03 a.m.

    Lots of defensive folks here. As one who has counseled many and seen wives and children hurt over a father or husbands excessive video time and lack of involvement in the lives of their family, I can attest to the addiction reality of gaming.

    To have a 30 year old, professional and his spouse come in month after month, sad that their combined desire to have him stop viewing pornography...and simply not being able to, was one huge frustration and fear of mine.

    Addiction is simply ones inability to control compulsive and excessive "anything". If a man or woman sets down June first and sets a goal to watch porn 5 hours a day and exercise for 10 minutes a day, and can keep that schedule...no addiction! Questionable decision??? Not my call.

    I get worried when a plan of 5 hours of porn becomes 6 hours, then,7, then 8...and first relationships are set aside, then health, then job!!! It is happening daily, to thousands. With old and young, religious and non, male and female, just more males.

    Good and accurate article!

  • Joey K Sandy, UT
    June 2, 2012 5:12 a.m.

    I can't speak for the other posters, but I never view pornography and agree it should be illegal. I don't currently play video games as I am a 30+ year old male, but in high school I played my share of James Bond and Warcraft. I find your comment assuming that anyway objecting to this lame story is addicted to pornography or video games quite offensive. And the similar assumption that men "disappear" in basements was also pretty ignorant. I find NO difference in playing video games several hours a day (a male stereotype), and these mindless reality TV shows that women are addicted to. Have you seen an episode of the Kardashians or America's next top model? That is absolute brain rotting filth, yet the people who watch this garbage are 90% women. Look in the mirror before blaming your problems on the male gender.

  • Caprice PROVIDENCE, UT
    June 2, 2012 3:39 a.m.

    I have seen first hand the harmful effects of addiction to video games. Those that contain violence, even though done in a cartoon-like presentation, literally drive the Spirit of the Holy Ghost from the presence of the participant. Laugh if you'd like at this observation but it is absolutely true. Wake up, America, and take note of yourself rotting and being sucked into an abyss of nothingness as your brain power and levels of higher thinking are painlessly removed. We choose to be lulled to sleep by our own laziness and desire to be stimulated by elementary forces of momentary triumph on the road to no where. Show me a man who is a video game champion and I will show you a man who is greatly living beneath his potential as a human being and contributing member of society.

  • Capsaicin Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2012 2:13 a.m.

    Porn is was and always will be bad in every way. No significant other wants to have to live up to expectations of a partners fantasy seen in online smut.

    Video gaming is not bad, unless you overdo it. Like I've said to many people. Video gaming requires little to no effort that's why I enjoy it. And it's fun in moderation. If it take the place of reality though, and you're spending 40-60 hours a week gaming instead of being productive, or meeting goals, then there is a problem.

    But if you've got an excessive gaming AND a porn problem, you have serious problems and you need serious help.

    Merely stopping and doing something else isn't possible...unless you're a self-control freak. In that case you probably wouldn't have let gaming or porn take over in the first place.

    That's why you need accountability therapy. This requires setting life goals in a group, with friends and family and with a therapist. And then following through and achieving those goals while learning to become accountable for your actions and how you spend your time.

  • Chris from Rose Park PROVO, UT
    June 2, 2012 1:36 a.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin and those who do not like gaming

    My name is Chris and I like video games and am proud of it. I played games with my cousins and friends all the time growing up. Games like Mario, Half-Life, Starcraft, Adventures of Dr. Brain, Quest for Glory, etc. We bonded over these games. Myself, I played 3 sports per year in HS and was captain of the swim team. I've been president of a club in college and participated in volunteer groups. One cousin, who played games, was accepted to medical school and was a program lead volunteer for the special Olympics for two years, another cousin has a Masters in ISYS and has a career. Another friend graduated from law school and is starting his career. Myself, I'm single, the three others I mentioned are married and one has two kids.

    So, please don't tell me games are the destruction of men. Abuse of them will hurt anyone but games can be used as tools for social interaction just like board games. Over the years we play much much less (but when we do play together they are bonding experiences).

  • Blue Bolshevik Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2012 10:51 p.m.

    Keep in mind some video games train the 21st century warrior. If you're good at flight simulators, you too can pilot a drone and blow a wedding party to bits in some far flung country.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    June 1, 2012 8:50 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin:

    I misread and misquoted you. My apologies.

    Your logic still doesn't make any sense, though. I'm not a lot of things. I'm not a solider, a teacher, or a firefighter, but I'll still defend these as necessary jobs in society. I'm not a hunter or a gunowner, but I still think that people should have to right to do those things. I think most romantic comedies are silly, but I don't want them banned.

    Just because I personally don't partake in something doesn't mean that I should sit back and watch it be buried in paranoia and shaky sermonizing. As long as it doesn't hurt me (and neither porn or video games do that), why should I care? The world's a lot bigger than me and my tastes, and thank heavens for that.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2012 7:26 p.m.

    Bebyebe,

    I recommend watching Zimbardo's TED talk. While I didn't agree with everything he said, I think he made some good points.

    He made a lengthy argument for circumstances being responsible for our choices. While I believe in free agency, and that accountability for our choices. (and I think"diffusion of personal responsibility".

    I do believe in personal accountability and agency, but we aren't always the ones who make our choices or have the most control over them. Others are responsible for us at times, which creates circumstances. A feral child's knowledge and strength to choose may not be the same as a nurtured child.

    Some people have been horrible enough to encourage porn to children, If someone did from infancy all the way to age 16, it would be morally unjust for us to hold an addicted 16 year old morally accountable for it. Personal responsibility and agency are real, but this only shows us that some things are on the heads of parents. Responsibility isn't exclusive to either us or others- but I believe we are accountable to our choices ACCORDING to other factors. Without such consideration, fair judgement couldn't exist.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    June 1, 2012 7:23 p.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin: Can you please throw out the study you are basing your comments on?

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    June 1, 2012 7:11 p.m.

    The world is such a different place than it was just a few years ago. I have to disagree with the conclusions on video games. I think it has as much to do with peoples view as anything else. My sone and his friends spent what I thought was too much time playing video games. But they did so in my house, with my supervision and occasionally my participation, or at a friends house where I knew the parents were doing the same thing. The boys played hours of video games, but they knew that when it was time to quit it was time. We also hiked, played sports, participated in scouting, etc. Several of these boys earned their eagle scouts, went on to college, are serving missions and have jobs. None of them have murdered anyone, or even committed any crimes. These so called studies are good at pointing out the problems but are light on solutions. I wonder how much time and money was wasted researching the obvious without suggesting any solutions to the problems.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 1, 2012 6:58 p.m.

    @KJB1

    Reread what I said. I didn't say that porn users/gamer can't defend their practices...I said they're the ONLY ones defending their practices. Mormons defend their church, but there are lots of non-Mormons who defend it as well.

    Reading comprehension's a funny thing, isn't it?

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    June 1, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin:

    So, based on you've said, Mormons are in no position to defend the Church since they're "so heavily involved" in it.

    Logic's a funny thing, isn't it?

  • justhappytobehere Orem, UT
    June 1, 2012 5:38 p.m.

    The difference between men and boys becoming addicted to porn and/or video games and girls and women spending too much time on social networking is that the females don't seem to be crippled by it. More and more men and boys have become far removed full participation in real life. Girls these days are doing big things with their lives. Just about everyone these days knows young men in their twenties who have crawled into their parents basements rarely to be seen. They are avoiding adult life and their habits/addictions are causing problems in their relationships with others. And possibly contributing to an increase of violence. If you men want to rip on women and accuse them of something detrimental to themselves and society, bring up eating disorders/body image problems. That seems to be the biggest challenge facing females these days. For males, it's porn and gaming. For females, it's body image.

  • uwishtoo MESA, AZ
    June 1, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    @ I M LDS 2

    Actually online education is a great thing. I took some classes online and while I loved the convenience I did miss the interaction with a discussion in class.

    But for a busy professional as myself that wanted to further their education and couldn't find the time between full time work and a full social life as well as volunteer work it was great for me. I could take the classes at midnite if I wanted to

  • CougarinVegas HENDERSON, NV
    June 1, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    I am willing to bet that there is a statistically significant correlation between defensive commenters and pornography use. I think Brave Sir Robin is right. Pornography should be illegal in the US (as it is in other parts of the world). I have known young men who struggled with pornography who clearly underperformed in school and other pursuits. Nothing will convince me that the correlation is a chance thing.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    June 1, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    Kind of a weird picture with this article. Who puts on a suit and tie to view porn or play video games?

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    June 1, 2012 4:26 p.m.

    Men are responsible for their own behavior. Quit blaming everything else.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    June 1, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    AZ_True_Blue
    Gilbert, AZ
    Time to beat up men and boys again.

    ==============

    AGREED!

    How about excessive cell-phones, texting, FaceBooking, 24/7 by young women?

    Why is EVER study about trashing men?
    Why is EVER study blaming ever breadk down on Society on Men?
    Why is EVERYthing in the World blamed on Men?

    I can look at the distorted world of June Cleaver and demand my house always be clean, the kids homework always done, and my wife dressed nice and always has dinner on the table the minute I get home from work.

    And then launch into a tyrant countering every study and blaming women for it.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    June 1, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    "The only people who defend gaming and pornography are those who are participating in."

    Completely wrong! And insulting!

    This is the kind of mindless judgmentalism we as LDS have become infamous for.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 1, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    OK, time to come clean. How many of you commenters brushing aside this study are into gaming or pornography?

    The only people who defend gaming and pornography are those who are participating in...not a very strong position to argue from. I've never heard anyone who doesn't participate in gaming or pornography come out and say "you know, what the world really needs is more video games and porn."

    Reminds me of how the only people arguing that cigarettes aren't bad for you were smokers.

  • Joe Moe Logan, UT
    June 1, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    Midvaliean, you are right that anecdotal evidence is not very weighty. I thought the same thing as I was reading it. People use it all the time as primary evidence to support various ideas, and it is frustrating.

    But nor does citing anecdotal evidence mean that the conclusion is wrong. Anecdotal evidence gives life to the numbers game of scientific inquiry, so it's part of the picture, always will be. Take your anecdotal evidence (of a sort): "In fact the most violent of all wars happend to occur prior to video games." Ergo, we should conclude that violent video games have NO impact on real violence? What kind of logic is that?

    All they are saying is that violent video games are a risk factor for real-life violence. Don't put words in their mouths. As I often note, it's very easy to win an argument (including in your own mind) if you are phrasing your opponent's argument, rather than contending with what they actually say!

  • BYU Track Star Los Angeles, CA
    June 1, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    Yesterday (5/31), The DN published a story that Video Games may be good for your brain. So what is it DN? are video games good or bad for us OR a qualified Good or qualified bad for us?

  • Joey K Sandy, UT
    June 1, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    Don't we have enough to worry about already? Sometimes it seems like the media (in particular the Salt Lake Media), just drums up extra things for us to be afraid of. I understand the damage of pornography, but Video Games too? Take away video games and you are getting dangerously close to being neither of the world nor in the world. Sure video games are addicting and I'm sure some comments will reference how someone's son plays 12 hours a day. But anything is addicting in the hands of someone with no self control. Chocolate, Soda, TV, internet browsing (even harmless non-pornographic sites) can be addicting. My mom literally spends 8 hours a day talking to her friends on the phone about innane gossip. I guess that's okay, but if she spent that time playing Tetris she would be in an addictive pattern. Next week there will be an article about how young men playing Mrs. Pacman leads to homosexual tendencies... Sheeesh.

  • AZ_True_Blue Gilbert, AZ
    June 1, 2012 11:46 a.m.

    Time to beat up men and boys again. How about Facebook, Pinterest, and Mommy Blogs? Any activity that takes up an inordinate amount of time should be tempered. The story does concede that some video games are good, but the headline perpetuates the idea that video games are as bad as porn.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    June 1, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. If playing video games made you kill 77 people, then we would see A LOT more homicides in this fashion. More sensationalistic journalism.
    Are porn and video game addictions real? Yes for some people perhaps, obviously not all, or even close.
    Did violence on a mass scale exist prior to video games? Yes.
    Did sexual misconduct exist prior to porn? Yes.

    In fact the most violent of all wars happend to occur prior to video games.
    We see naked pictures of people going back to stone age cave pictures.

    Just some people trying to sell us an idea based on fear and fear mongering. move along nothing to see here.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    June 1, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    Too much online screen time appears to be the common problem, whether it is gaming, porn, social networking, or watching movies, TV shows and such online. People substitute real relationships and engagement in real life for cyber relationships and activities.

    So what is our society trying to do about that?

    Pushing online education!

    Now THAT makes sense!