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Published: Wednesday, May 30 2012 10:08 a.m. MDT

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AZRods
Maricopa, AZ

"Predudice is born of ignorance" states it perfectly.
Ranchhand, saying that Mormons "seem to think" prejudice against glbt is acceptable at the request of their leaders? Not stretching the facts a little here are we?
Or please provide evidence, anywhere that says that.
The fact that we have a different opinion on that subject does not imply prejudice.
And once again, the topic is not about glbt RH, try staying on topic.

Fred Vader
Oklahoma City, OK

"Frankly, while I personally believe that prejudice against any group is unacceptable, there is a sort of justice when Karma comes back to shake your hand."

The prejudice against Mormons existed long before Prop 8. Over 150 years earlier. It's neither Karma, nor justice when it continues, even after Prop. 8, it's still plain and simple prejudice.

Shaden
Lincoln, NE

The good professor from Idaho State is right on, and I appreciate that he had the guts to write a story like that. He will surely be marginalized and ridiculed among the academic community (and, doubtlessly, from those commenting on this thread--see above) for his argument.

As an LDS academic myself, I have witnessed the prejudice that members of the LDS church experience in higher education. It is perfectly acceptable for academics to ridicule the religious beliefs of those members. I found the constant refrains in academia of "equality," "acceptance," and "coexistence" only to be thinly-guised references to pro-LGBT causes, but never to religious tolerance. Because the LDS church does not line up lock stock and barrel with the secular winds of doctrine that prevail in academia, the church is consistently ridiculed, or viewed with suspicion.

It would be nice if we all could be civil to each other, regardless of our respective persuasions.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

I attended the University of Utah and I noted that some non-Mormons were appallingly ignorant about Mormons. I would wonder where they came up with the weird stuff.

Of all my experiences at the University of Utah these experiences have helped me the most when accepting diversity. When I approach other cultures and outsiders tell me what they (the particular culture of interest) are like, if it is negative or demeaning I take it with a grain of salt because I know how clueless some people can be when living in the middle of another culture.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Shaden
"He will surely be marginalized and ridiculed among the academic community (and, doubtlessly, from those commenting on this thread--see above) for his argument."

For what? Goodness, there isn't a secret cabal of people who hate you. What he said is really non-controversial. It's not like he was saying that any disagreement with Mormon doctrine is prejudice.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

It's sad some people are so bitter and unhappy that they never miss a chance to attack the Church on any article or basis they can find.

I once attended a presentation for the CLIO awards in Washington, D.C. When the ad the LDS Church had produced (and had won awards) was shown, a large, audible "BOOOO" went throughout the audience. The ad was about "The Good Samaritan." The "boooo" didn't happen until the end of the ad when it stated it was produced by "The Mormons." It was pretty shocking and very sad.

Most of these "broadminded" liberals are actually some of the most narrow-minded, mean-spirited people on the planet. They're open minded only toward those they agree with.

very concerned
Sandy, UT

Unfortunately, the prejudice seems to be a classic case of those who are learned thinking they are wise. Being learned is good . . . if one hearkens to the counsel of the Lord. (See 2 Nephi 9:28) The human condition is such that education, though it can be good, leads many to think they are superior, and can at least shrug off spiritual things if not outright ridicule them or persecute those who believe in them. I submit that reconciling man's knowledge and education with spiritual things is one of life's greatest challenges and opportunities.

very concerned
Sandy, UT

To wax more spiritual, might I suggest that God Himself is light years (infinitely) ahead of us in the intelligence department. No matter how much learning we get, we are pretty stupid compared to Him. So there's not much to brag about. Actually, those who are *learned* would be better off showing gratitude for their opportunities to get that learning. Unfortunately, the human condition also tends to lead us to think we did it all ourselves. We have to resist that human condition, or natural man. Pride is an ugly thing.

I appreciate this non-LDS person taking a shot at an accurate description.

RG
Buena Vista, VA

To Ranchhand: The LDS church asks us to be civil, and in fact, to love everyone, which includes LGBT. But God was the one who invented marriage, and taught us how it works, and said that it requires opposite genders. So if you don't like the "traditional" definition of marriage, don't blame LDS people, but instead take it up with God. But be careful; God is a lot smarter than you are and will win the argument every time.

very concerned
Sandy, UT

I would submit that prejudice against race, religion, or creed is far different from attempting to discourage homosexual behavior and it's surrounding implications. Apples and oranges.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

To the critics: So it is ok to persecute us on our beliefs. Ranchhand the problem is that yes the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints did ask the membership to assist and raise cash for the Pro Proposition 8 side. So what. I guess it was equally okay for the LGBT (not glbt) to ask for cash from the hollywood, liberal side. If you go and check though the LDS Church didn't say you had to contribute so it was done by the members agency. That again puts it where you want it. Your prejudice against anything LDS because you are a practicing homosexual.

windigo77: Maybe you should go back and recheck your facts more carefully. Your own bias is showing through. Remember no one knows the DNA of the tribe of Joseph, not Judah. The printing press destruction was never considered unconstitutional except by those wishing to destroy the LDS Church. Polagamy was never stated as unconstitutional or illegal until well after the LDS Church was in UTAH and only to keep it from becoming a state. Again get your facts right before you spew hate and anti-Mormon propaganda.

Jeff
Temple City, CA

I was betting myself that I would see posts on this article that said that Mormons deserved what they get. Guess what? I won the bet!

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

@windigo77
"I'm sorry Mormons, but when your religion flies in the face of OBVIOUS FACTS, you don't get to claim you are being persecuted by 'THE REAL WORLD'."
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It is not disagreements with LDS teachings that the article is concerned about. Latter-Day Saints are the first to expect disagreements. Read the post by "Cats" above - it is the perfect example of prejudice. That example has nothing to do with disagreements with doctrine or ignoring facts. As far as facts are concerned, there are plenty that critics of the LDS Church like to ignore.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@Bill;

Your church and your god define marriage for you. You don't get to vote on the rights of other Americans. You do not get to do that! So, yes, we were raising money to prevent our rights from being revoked by YOU.

If you believe that "god" defined marriage, then by all means, follow your god's rule. You do NOT have the right to require others follow your god's dictates. Period.

@RG;

If/When "god" tells me in person that I have to follow your rules, then I'll do it. Until then, I will absolutely not blindly follow the dictates of your leaders, I do not believe they speak to god or that he speaks to them. I don't believe in your god anyway - fictional beings can't say anything.

The DN refused to print my comment to Cats. You think we're close-minded? We're not the ones trying to change your lives, are we!

barkermom
Hurricane, UT

I don't think it's prejudice if you don't agree with the doctrine of the LDS church. You can say that you don't think Joseph Smith was a prophet and I am fine with that. Saying that someone should not be president of the United States simply because he is a Mormon is NOT okay. The fact that the media can make negative comments about LDS people when those same comments if spoken about another group of people would not be acceptable shows that prejudice happens and that it is acceptable to many. Thank goodness there are many reasonable and accepting people in this world who give us horrible LDS people a chance! And let me say that I'm sorry to all those who have had negative experiences with members of the church. We are only human.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@AZ rods
So explain how if a non LDS person has a "different opinion" (often based on inaccurate information) of the LDS Church it is prejudice but when the LDS Church has a "different opinion" often base on inaccurate information) of LGBT people's rights it is not prejudice. It seems to me as someone that does not belong to either group that these prejudices are both wrong. It also seems in the case that the des news and many of the those posters that claim to be LDS on these threads (although not necessarily reflective of the LDS Church itself) to be the old axiom those quickest to give offense are the quickest to also take offense.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

Dear RG, Bill in Nebraska and Utes Fan: Your comments are ALL excellent and based on logic and rational thought--not on prejudice and emotion.

Unfortunately, there are always those who spend all their time attacking the Church in any form they can. You have to do those things when you are trying to convince yourself and justify yourself. It's so sad. No...it's tragic!

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@cats
"You have to do those things when you are trying to convince yourself and justify yourself. It's so sad. No...it's tragic!"

Do you really not see how that comment is dripping with prejudice?

Pete1215
Lafayette, IN

Suppose a certain presidential contender accepted the LDS belief in Spirit Children, waiting in queue of corporeal bodies. If this belief motivated him to wish to remove federal funding from Planned Parenthood, then I might vote against him because he is of that belief (and by association a Mormon). Is this prejudice?

Kami
Bountiful, Utah

The article is another example of someone assuming cause and effect in order to prove his point. Your neighbors didn't help you BECAUSE they are mormon; they helped because they are friendly neighbors. I'm LDS, but I recognize that you can find good neighbors everywhere. I have mostly LDS neighbors right now, and they are mostly friendly, helpful neighbors. But I've lived outside of Utah most of life, with perhaps only one LDS neighbor within blocks, and my neighbors were about as friendly and helpful as my Utah neighbors are.

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