I cringe at the thought that people would judge the Church by Mitt Romney. Just
about any faithful member would be a better role model.
I cringe every time Huntsman says anything about the church. I'm so glad
he is not our nominee!Romney is a faithful member, not perfect, but
none of us are. I'm glad to have him represent us. He may be torn apart
by the media and Obama, but he will do a better job than most could.
So who would you choose, Furry, Harry Reid?
I am always surprised to hear that the paranoid isolationist culture is alive
and well in Utah. Get over it, people! Join the 21st century! I am a 6th
generation Mormon (8th through one line) whose people left Utah around 1850.
Everywhere I have lived, in every congregation it was easy to tell the "Utah
Mormons" from those who have always lived "in the mission field" - a
phrase used by the Utah Mormons, not by us outside of Utah. You would think
that sending so many missionaries around the world would give the state a more
open, understanding, accepting culture, but no, you are always looking over your
shoulders for mobs and tar and feathers. I believe this article has
a decidedly Utah-Mormon slant. Those of us who are without that culture embrace
the additional opportunity to share our faith and testimony with our neighbors,
which we have done all our lives. The "Mormon Moment" has only slightly
amplified the outreach we live every day. Zion is where you make it, folks.
Jon Huntsman, Mitt Romney, Harry Ried, Orrin Hatch... "what a long strange
trip its been."
I cringe at the idea of being the focus of media attention and having my life
become a fishbowl. I can't imagine having my past, my present and my future
be judged by members and non-members with microscopic intensity.I pray that
prominent members of the LDS church will represent us well but I don't envy
their positions. It is hard enough to be a good example our beliefs in my small
circle of family friends and acquaintances.
"Cringe"? I rest my case.
The only way to fight ignorance is knowledge. If more people take the time to
learn about the church (and they will), then this media exposure everybodys
freaking out about will be for the good. J-TX - wow, I have lived in UT all my
life and I haven't heard the term "mission field" used in that
context for at least a decade or more. Maybe I just know better people now, who
I find J-TX's comments very strange. Having grown up "outside
Utah" everyone I knew in the Church was very proud of their status as living
"in the mission field." It is most certainly not a phrase only used by
"Utah Mormons" (this being a phrase mostly used by people with a chip on
their shoulder). That combines with the fact that many Mormons that live
outside Utah have to frequently deal with prejudice and bigotry based on their
religious beliefs. It is not uncommon for that prejudice and bigotry to rise to
the status of persecution. Thus, in my experience, Mormons living outside Utah
tend to actually be more attuned to the issues of persecution. Both the Globe
and the BBC have it right: the increased attention on things Mormon will be a
two edged sword. Many will become more familiar with Mormons in an accurate
way. Conversely, the attention being paid to the faith will tend to stoke the
fires of some individuals' bigotry. Given that I find it unlikely to
create bigotry where it doesn't already exist, I think it will be a net
positive thing. Yet a bigot can really ruin one's day.
To J-TX, Allen, TXI'm sorry you feel that way. After being born
in the "Mission Field" and spending over half of my life there my
experiences and observations are different. I get to travel a lot with my job
as well as having lived several places in the mission field as well as several
places in Utah.Yes, there are differences, I have been in ;eadership
positions in both situations and things like home-teaching routes may have been
60 miles rather than just around the block.As the article said, some
have concerns about Mitt Romney as President. I have no doubt that he will
represent the Church well and I am sure he will watched closely and not everyone
will what he does and decisions he makes (as with any President). One problem of constantly being in the spotlight is any percieved stumble
tends to be magnified (just look at the basketball game news analysis.) Some of
what is percieved to be and error may also be connected with his Church
Membership, even though that had little to do with it.Unanticipatrd
things will happen (as they will to in any Presidency.)OH that Mormon!
What about the OTHER Mormon - actually from UTAH - who is stilling running for
President?Roseanne Barr gets no mention at all.============BTW - J-TXAllen, TXI
couldn't agree with you more.I'm glad only the tiny
minority of Latter-Day Saints are from Utah.Like Donny Osmond used
to sing to us -- One Bad Apple don't Spoil the Whole Bunch!
GeoMan - which bigots do you fear? You shoulda lived in the Deseret in
the1850's.John D. Lee, Bishop Klingensmith and fhe Iron County
Militia really and literally ruined the day of America's first 9/11 in
1857. Made Haun's Mill the little squirmish it was by comparison. My
pioneer Grandma put it in perfect perspective for us. She told us that if the
members had followed Jesus' advice to live quiet lives and bless their
communities, they would not have suffered so much persecution and state
expulsion. She lived it and heard Mormonism discussed daily. She and my
Grandpa moved to Idaho and were much happier there than in their Draper
community of the early 1900's. They taught us to proudly
defend our religion and heritage, "but never the human failings of our
imperfect people and prophets". No fan of "old Brigham", she still
fiercely believed he was God's choice to lead His people and build the
Deseret empire. I learned more about integrity, loyalty and truthfulness from
my frontier heritage than today's ever-apologetic, naval-gazing, paranoid
21st century PC saints and their PR releases.
There is no bigotry and hatred from true, born-again Christians. They will
share their gospel message with you just as you do with us, on our porches when
you come knocking. We'll listen to your message and discuss differences in
a civil manner.But we are mandated to keep God's Word pure,
accurate and inviolate. So, as long as you keep your Mormon beliefs in that
category, we're fine with dialogue. But if you insist on altering our Word
with your revelations, we will not sit quietly by. Stop equating doctrinal
disagreement with "bigotry" and hatred. Get a Webster definition and
stop creating firestorms where none exist.Persecution? You mean
when Biblical Christians refuse to allow Muslims and Mormons to mix polygamy in
with Christ's salvation message? We have the D&C's you left with
us; they're in English, we know exactly what was taught amd what was
"reversed".So keep on being good neighbors and great
friends. Get over your faux persecution complex. I'm voting for Gov.
Romney based on his view of America, not for his private faith in another Jesus
and another testament from a Mormon angel.
Let's hope a few members of the media are able to see that Mitt isn't
the whole LDS religion. As for me, I'd vote for Harry Reid in a heartbeat
if I liked his platform, but he's not running anyway. And Mitt Romney, as
for being a good example of a member of the Church--heyyyy, what ever happened
to "judge not that ye be not judged"? Just because one does or
doesn't like a person's political cut doesn't give anyone the
right to decide on what kind of way he keeps his particular faith, if he has
one, or the beliefs he has, if he doesn't belong to an organized religion.
That includes candidates for office, from dogcatcher to POTUS.
Intensified media focus on Mormonism because of Romney’s candidacy is
nothing for Church members to dread. There will be incidents of ridicule, cheap
shots, and anti-Mormon ugly stuff up on the Internet. We’ve seen it
before. But there are far more fair-minded people out there silently watching
and judging.Don’t worry about the Church or its people being
judged by Romney’s words or actions. What he does and says reflects on him
alone. Running for President is brutal for anyone who chooses to get into the
race. If you throw a punch, you can expect to take a punch and Romney is
throwing a lot of punches.
Hey "OnlyTheCross", it is bigotry when so called Christians expel an all
Mormon team from the "Slippery Rock PA Christian League", make vile
remarks about LDS tenets, ridicule us for certain religious philosphies, etc.
Not voting for Mr. Romney because he is Mormon is prejudice. Prior to winning so
many primaries, North Carolina had 40% who said that would not vote for a
Mormon. WHAT!?True Christian's are those who profess Christ and
live Christ. Teaching the gospel is part of it but living it is most of it. I
will never ridicule someone for their religious beliefs. I will never say if you
want to teach your religion to us we will have a good dialogue" and then say
"But if you insist on altering our Word with your revelations, we will not
sit quietly". We are not alterning your Word, one its Christ's word,
two we our teaching our view not changing yours accept or reject. Finally, I am not trying to say I am all in on polygamy, but who changed whose
word here? Have you ever heard of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, how many wives did they
1- Haggie, you tell us all how many wives Isaac had? Joseph Smith referred to
him as a polygamist, too....2- And your prophets called all
Christian doctrines in 1830 "an abomination". All their creeds, their
professors, their baptisms, ordinations, seminaries, priesthoods, gospels, etc.
You're stuck with the great job of journaling that you do. We have it in
print.3- How many doctrinal reversals have you had in your 182
years? How many have evangelical/Biblical Christians had in 2,000 years?4- You are a great, industrious people. So were the Ottoman Turks.
That has nothing to do with your religious doctrines. You re-implemented
polygamy, extra-biblical doctrines, new scriptures, new prophets added to
Christ: Just like Islam. We don't "hate" Muslims or Mormons. We
just reject your unbiblical gospel, based on what you claim.C'mon over for the BBQ and be good neighbors. Run for Prez, lead the
local PTA. But you are never going to be Biblical until you "get"
Biblical. Period.Now go read 1Corinthians 11 and tell me exactly
who "masquerades as an angel of light"?That's the issue: You
are wolves in the religious sheep pen.
Biblical believers are called to protect and preserve, to share and witness the
gospel of Jesus Christ. We are mandated to expose and expel the counterfeits.
There are many Biblical books and verses on this warning; ignore them to your
peril.Stay in your churches and pews and enjoy your prophets all you
wish. But when you knock on my door, bringing "another gospel", then
you have trespassed my threshold. I will protect my family, my church members
and my community from those who claim to "be Biblical". Keep claiming
to be Mormon Christians, and we'll have no problems. But passing out free
Bibles is just laughable.And laugh we will. You are no more
biblical than Mohammed. But you are definitely great neighbors. Just stop
sending out your young men without proper training. These poor boys do not know
their Bibles any better than those represented here. And that is not
laughable.That is why we love you enough to witness the Biblical
gospel to you, and to invite you to visit our churches, too. Joseph started the
firestorm. What did you expect?As Apostle Paul asked, "Have I
become your enemy because I bring the Truth?"
"I'm glad only the tiny minority of Latter-Day Saints are from
Utah."LDS Liberal,I hope you realize that there are
more LDS members from Utah than from any other country (outside the U.S), let
alone any other state. Of course when combined, the Utah Mormons are
outnumbered. But that comment is kind of like saying that you are glad that
only a tiny percentage of Americans live in California.
"I cringe at the thought that people would judge the Church by Mitt
Romney."Furry,I cringe at the thought that other
nations would judge America and Americans by Barack Obama.
@ J-TX,I agree with you. I am glad my son's are not from the
"Factory" Elders sent out from Utah! I am glad my sons have to wake up
at 5:30 Am to get to seminary by 6:00 AM! I am glad that 1 out of 900 students
at my kids high school is a member! I am happy to have a Mormon run for the
Office of president! And who cares what happens with the PR if your faith is not
strong enough to weather the storms of life don't put out sea! I am also
proud of the fact I have to drive 25 miles one way for church and I do that
drive three times a week to full fill my callings. So Please Utah members look
out side of the Wasatch front.
To RikitikitaviCardston, AlbertaSo who would you choose, Furry,
Harry Reid?---------------------I would choose for a
role model for the LDS Church the unnamed and unnoticed men, women and children
who give of their resources to help those in need, who give of their time and
skills to rebuild homes in areas of natural destruction, who are on the lines
sandbagging flooding rivers, who comfort and encourage those in times of trial,
etc., etc., etc. -- the people who live according to the teachings of Matthew
25:31-45: "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of
the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." These are the
people who show what the Church teaches and for what it stands, not a crass and
mendacious politician like Mitt Romney who cares about the "haves and
have-mores" (as GWBush described time) and not the "little guys" who
make up the majority of the people in this country.
Part II grew up in California, with only six LDS students in my high
school. I’ve had lifelong experience explaining Mormon myths, accustomed
to being different without compromising my unique beliefs. When I moved to
Utah, the prime value was to be accepted into the mainstream in the world
outside of Utah, meaning to "moderate" to become less different. continued...
Part III've since worked with people of all walks of life across the
nation on business ventures and political issues. On political issues,
I've had the honor of working with many fine conservative Baptists,
evangelicals, protestants, Muslims and Catholics. Of course there are doctrinal
differences amongst us, but Mormons should simply laugh off the critics and the
jokes, including Bill Maher. His sarcasm is powerful only if we allow it to put
us on the defense. To ignore him and to stop tripping all over ourselves to
become mainstream would be a stronger position. I welcome the critical
spotlight that Romney brings, but we don't need to put on a "show"
to be anything other than what we are - human beings with a uniquely compelling
and appealing story of the purpose of life that gives millions across the world
great hope. Cherilyn EagarAmerican Leadership Fund
Lots of anger and resentment and wasted time and effort from people who profess
All the arguments about how nobody's perfect and that we need to be
nonjudgmental in our attitudes in choosing a suitable candidate--especially
LDS--don't hold water with me. We're held to a higher standard before
we ever take the world stage. Both supporters and opponents have a right to
expect we actually "stand for something" precious, as Pres. Hinckley
tried to admonish, in all places, at all times, etc. Romney isn't a fresh
convert whose past flip-flops on key moral issues can be viewed as
“pragmatic" and, therefore, OK in the political realm. As I see it,
only a double-minded man could one day judge a priesthood holder for his own
adherence to moral principles on an ecclesiastical level, and on another choose
to set aside Divine moral law in his professional life. "The Family:
Proclamation to the World" was written and delivered at a time when Romney
would have learned its purpose, just like I and all other LDS people were
expected to do, or at least not to fight outright under "pragmatic"
circumstances. Therefore for myself, I will not support him for president.
I'm writing in Rick Santorum.
Joseph Walker is the only one who is obsessed with Romney's media spotlight
for its Mormon Moment value.The rest of America is looking for a
leader who will take them out of the gutter. That he worships at a different
altar to a different God and "an other" Jesus is evident to all Biblical
believers. We're not going to follow him to church, but we can still
admire his discipline and family focus. The article failed to
point out that LDS with Walker's concerns really only want the spotlight on
Mormon lifestyle and values. What is dreaded is the spotlight (and it is
coming) on LDS peculiar/unbiblical doctrines. Just detailing Romney's
ancestor, Parley P., and the details of his murder, will display how out if
touch 19th-century Mormons were with respect to marriage/bigamy laws. I spent
35 years in the church, and had 2 gr.grandpas do polygamy prison time. In all
those years no one spoke of the many LDS leaders who were sealed to women who
were still married to their living husbands, including Pratt.The
fall from grace is hard, but the redemption is sweet. Good luck, Mitt.
To RikitikitaviCardston, AlbertaSo who would you choose, Furry,
Harry Reid?9:35 p.m. May 29, 2012---------------------------My choice for a role model would be the
numerous unnamed and really unnoticed men, wome and children of the Church who
work behind the scenes to try to make peoples' lives better. The ones who
go into areas of natural disasters to rebuild homes. The ones who work behind
the scenes to comfort the afflicated. The ones who give liberally of their
less-than-affluence to help others. The ones who will reap the reward promised
in Matthew 25:31-45: "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it
unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." -- the
ones the Savior will set on his right hand i.e., reward them. I would NOT
choose a crass, mendacious politician like Mitt Romney who cares and works for
the "haves and have-mores" (quoting GWBush) and cares nothing about
anyone but his mega-rich cronies. NO THANKS!!
"...Hopefully the world's gone beyond the bigotry."---Uh, no. Take a good long look in the mirror.
@Cherilyn Eagar;How about giving the rest of us some hope and
butting out of our lives. Romney has promised (signed a pledge) to deny
equality to certain Americans he disapproves of. That doesn't inspire much
"hope" and imo, doesn't reflect well on the religious organization
he claims allegiance to.
I have lived in other States as well as Utah. I have Bern asked at work by a gal
if I believed all the doctrines of the church and I said yes. We are a very
small minority back here and when mitt ran in the mast election were making fun
of him because of his religion. I think candidates should be voted upon for what
they believe and not because of what there religion is. All I can say is that if
you don't go out and vote in November you have no right to complain.
Yes there are some people who like to ridicule those of different walks of life,
but not everyone has a problem with Mormons. Or any other group. I grew up in an
area where there were kids of several different faiths, and yet it never got in
the way of friendships.As a teenager when I first found out that my close
friend was a Mormon, I just thought "Oh. Okay." I did not have any
negative thoughts about it. There is good and bad in every group. I have
some Mormons in my family now. They are decent people and I would be very
offended if someone were to ridicule them. But we also know of Mormons who think
that all non-members are inferior to them. So it goes both ways. With every