LDS members divided about Romney-based media spotlight


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  • Rynn Las Vegas, NV
    June 3, 2012 5:19 a.m.

    Yes there are some people who like to ridicule those of different walks of life, but not everyone has a problem with Mormons. Or any other group. I grew up in an area where there were kids of several different faiths, and yet it never got in the way of friendships.
    As a teenager when I first found out that my close friend was a Mormon, I just thought "Oh. Okay." I did not have any negative thoughts about it.
    There is good and bad in every group. I have some Mormons in my family now. They are decent people and I would be very offended if someone were to ridicule them. But we also know of Mormons who think that all non-members are inferior to them. So it goes both ways. With every group.

  • bobosmom small town, Nebraska
    June 2, 2012 6:25 p.m.

    I have lived in other States as well as Utah. I have Bern asked at work by a gal if I believed all the doctrines of the church and I said yes. We are a very small minority back here and when mitt ran in the mast election were making fun of him because of his religion. I think candidates should be voted upon for what they believe and not because of what there religion is. All I can say is that if you don't go out and vote in November you have no right to complain.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    May 31, 2012 2:54 p.m.

    @Cherilyn Eagar;

    How about giving the rest of us some hope and butting out of our lives. Romney has promised (signed a pledge) to deny equality to certain Americans he disapproves of. That doesn't inspire much "hope" and imo, doesn't reflect well on the religious organization he claims allegiance to.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    May 31, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    "...Hopefully the world's gone beyond the bigotry."


    Uh, no. Take a good long look in the mirror.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    May 31, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    To Rikitikitavi
    Cardston, Alberta
    So who would you choose, Furry, Harry Reid?

    9:35 p.m. May 29, 2012


    My choice for a role model would be the numerous unnamed and really unnoticed men, wome and children of the Church who work behind the scenes to try to make peoples' lives better. The ones who go into areas of natural disasters to rebuild homes. The ones who work behind the scenes to comfort the afflicated. The ones who give liberally of their less-than-affluence to help others. The ones who will reap the reward promised in Matthew 25:31-45: "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." -- the ones the Savior will set on his right hand i.e., reward them. I would NOT choose a crass, mendacious politician like Mitt Romney who cares and works for the "haves and have-mores" (quoting GWBush) and cares nothing about anyone but his mega-rich cronies. NO THANKS!!

  • Shazandra Bakersfield, CA
    May 31, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    Joseph Walker is the only one who is obsessed with Romney's media spotlight for its Mormon Moment value.

    The rest of America is looking for a leader who will take them out of the gutter. That he worships at a different altar to a different God and "an other" Jesus is evident to all Biblical believers. We're not going to follow him to church, but we can still admire his discipline and family focus.

    The article failed to point out that LDS with Walker's concerns really only want the spotlight on Mormon lifestyle and values. What is dreaded is the spotlight (and it is coming) on LDS peculiar/unbiblical doctrines. Just detailing Romney's ancestor, Parley P., and the details of his murder, will display how out if touch 19th-century Mormons were with respect to marriage/bigamy laws. I spent 35 years in the church, and had 2 gr.grandpas do polygamy prison time. In all those years no one spoke of the many LDS leaders who were sealed to women who were still married to their living husbands, including Pratt.

    The fall from grace is hard, but the redemption is sweet. Good luck, Mitt.

  • Gracie Boise, ID
    May 31, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    All the arguments about how nobody's perfect and that we need to be nonjudgmental in our attitudes in choosing a suitable candidate--especially LDS--don't hold water with me. We're held to a higher standard before we ever take the world stage. Both supporters and opponents have a right to expect we actually "stand for something" precious, as Pres. Hinckley tried to admonish, in all places, at all times, etc. Romney isn't a fresh convert whose past flip-flops on key moral issues can be viewed as “pragmatic" and, therefore, OK in the political realm. As I see it, only a double-minded man could one day judge a priesthood holder for his own adherence to moral principles on an ecclesiastical level, and on another choose to set aside Divine moral law in his professional life. "The Family: Proclamation to the World" was written and delivered at a time when Romney would have learned its purpose, just like I and all other LDS people were expected to do, or at least not to fight outright under "pragmatic" circumstances. Therefore for myself, I will not support him for president. I'm writing in Rick Santorum.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    May 31, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    Lots of anger and resentment and wasted time and effort from people who profess good will.

  • Cherilyn Eagar Holladay, UT
    May 31, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    Part II
    I've since worked with people of all walks of life across the nation on business ventures and political issues. On political issues, I've had the honor of working with many fine conservative Baptists, evangelicals, protestants, Muslims and Catholics. Of course there are doctrinal differences amongst us, but Mormons should simply laugh off the critics and the jokes, including Bill Maher. His sarcasm is powerful only if we allow it to put us on the defense. To ignore him and to stop tripping all over ourselves to become mainstream would be a stronger position. I welcome the critical spotlight that Romney brings, but we don't need to put on a "show" to be anything other than what we are - human beings with a uniquely compelling and appealing story of the purpose of life that gives millions across the world great hope.

    Cherilyn Eagar
    American Leadership Fund

  • Cherilyn Eagar Holladay, UT
    May 31, 2012 9:29 a.m.

    Part I
    I grew up in California, with only six LDS students in my high school. I’ve had lifelong experience explaining Mormon myths, accustomed to being different without compromising my unique beliefs. When I moved to Utah, the prime value was to be accepted into the mainstream in the world outside of Utah, meaning to "moderate" to become less different.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    May 31, 2012 7:00 a.m.

    To Rikitikitavi
    Cardston, Alberta
    So who would you choose, Furry, Harry Reid?


    I would choose for a role model for the LDS Church the unnamed and unnoticed men, women and children who give of their resources to help those in need, who give of their time and skills to rebuild homes in areas of natural destruction, who are on the lines sandbagging flooding rivers, who comfort and encourage those in times of trial, etc., etc., etc. -- the people who live according to the teachings of Matthew 25:31-45: "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." These are the people who show what the Church teaches and for what it stands, not a crass and mendacious politician like Mitt Romney who cares about the "haves and have-mores" (as GWBush described time) and not the "little guys" who make up the majority of the people in this country.

  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    May 30, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    @ J-TX,
    I agree with you. I am glad my son's are not from the "Factory" Elders sent out from Utah! I am glad my sons have to wake up at 5:30 Am to get to seminary by 6:00 AM! I am glad that 1 out of 900 students at my kids high school is a member! I am happy to have a Mormon run for the Office of president! And who cares what happens with the PR if your faith is not strong enough to weather the storms of life don't put out sea! I am also proud of the fact I have to drive 25 miles one way for church and I do that drive three times a week to full fill my callings. So Please Utah members look out side of the Wasatch front.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    May 30, 2012 5:45 p.m.

    "I cringe at the thought that people would judge the Church by Mitt Romney."


    I cringe at the thought that other nations would judge America and Americans by Barack Obama.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    May 30, 2012 5:43 p.m.

    "I'm glad only the tiny minority of Latter-Day Saints are from Utah."

    LDS Liberal,

    I hope you realize that there are more LDS members from Utah than from any other country (outside the U.S), let alone any other state. Of course when combined, the Utah Mormons are outnumbered. But that comment is kind of like saying that you are glad that only a tiny percentage of Americans live in California.

  • Gemimi Bakersfield, CA
    May 30, 2012 5:39 p.m.

    Biblical believers are called to protect and preserve, to share and witness the gospel of Jesus Christ. We are mandated to expose and expel the counterfeits. There are many Biblical books and verses on this warning; ignore them to your peril.

    Stay in your churches and pews and enjoy your prophets all you wish. But when you knock on my door, bringing "another gospel", then you have trespassed my threshold. I will protect my family, my church members and my community from those who claim to "be Biblical". Keep claiming to be Mormon Christians, and we'll have no problems. But passing out free Bibles is just laughable.

    And laugh we will. You are no more biblical than Mohammed. But you are definitely great neighbors. Just stop sending out your young men without proper training. These poor boys do not know their Bibles any better than those represented here. And that is not laughable.

    That is why we love you enough to witness the Biblical gospel to you, and to invite you to visit our churches, too. Joseph started the firestorm. What did you expect?

    As Apostle Paul asked, "Have I become your enemy because I bring the Truth?"

  • Capella Bakersfield, CA
    May 30, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    1- Haggie, you tell us all how many wives Isaac had? Joseph Smith referred to him as a polygamist, too....

    2- And your prophets called all Christian doctrines in 1830 "an abomination". All their creeds, their professors, their baptisms, ordinations, seminaries, priesthoods, gospels, etc. You're stuck with the great job of journaling that you do. We have it in print.

    3- How many doctrinal reversals have you had in your 182 years? How many have evangelical/Biblical Christians had in 2,000 years?

    4- You are a great, industrious people. So were the Ottoman Turks. That has nothing to do with your religious doctrines. You re-implemented polygamy, extra-biblical doctrines, new scriptures, new prophets added to Christ: Just like Islam. We don't "hate" Muslims or Mormons. We just reject your unbiblical gospel, based on what you claim.

    C'mon over for the BBQ and be good neighbors. Run for Prez, lead the local PTA. But you are never going to be Biblical until you "get" Biblical. Period.

    Now go read 1Corinthians 11 and tell me exactly who "masquerades as an angel of light"?
    That's the issue: You are wolves in the religious sheep pen.

  • haggie Visalia, CA
    May 30, 2012 4:54 p.m.

    Hey "OnlyTheCross", it is bigotry when so called Christians expel an all Mormon team from the "Slippery Rock PA Christian League", make vile remarks about LDS tenets, ridicule us for certain religious philosphies, etc. Not voting for Mr. Romney because he is Mormon is prejudice. Prior to winning so many primaries, North Carolina had 40% who said that would not vote for a Mormon. WHAT!?

    True Christian's are those who profess Christ and live Christ. Teaching the gospel is part of it but living it is most of it. I will never ridicule someone for their religious beliefs. I will never say if you want to teach your religion to us we will have a good dialogue" and then say "But if you insist on altering our Word with your revelations, we will not sit quietly". We are not alterning your Word, one its Christ's word, two we our teaching our view not changing yours accept or reject.

    Finally, I am not trying to say I am all in on polygamy, but who changed whose word here? Have you ever heard of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, how many wives did they have?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    May 30, 2012 2:45 p.m.

    Intensified media focus on Mormonism because of Romney’s candidacy is nothing for Church members to dread. There will be incidents of ridicule, cheap shots, and anti-Mormon ugly stuff up on the Internet. We’ve seen it before. But there are far more fair-minded people out there silently watching and judging.

    Don’t worry about the Church or its people being judged by Romney’s words or actions. What he does and says reflects on him alone. Running for President is brutal for anyone who chooses to get into the race. If you throw a punch, you can expect to take a punch and Romney is throwing a lot of punches.

  • kargirl Sacramento, CA
    May 30, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    Let's hope a few members of the media are able to see that Mitt isn't the whole LDS religion. As for me, I'd vote for Harry Reid in a heartbeat if I liked his platform, but he's not running anyway. And Mitt Romney, as for being a good example of a member of the Church--heyyyy, what ever happened to "judge not that ye be not judged"? Just because one does or doesn't like a person's political cut doesn't give anyone the right to decide on what kind of way he keeps his particular faith, if he has one, or the beliefs he has, if he doesn't belong to an organized religion. That includes candidates for office, from dogcatcher to POTUS.

  • OnlytheCross Bakersfield, CA
    May 30, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    There is no bigotry and hatred from true, born-again Christians. They will share their gospel message with you just as you do with us, on our porches when you come knocking. We'll listen to your message and discuss differences in a civil manner.

    But we are mandated to keep God's Word pure, accurate and inviolate. So, as long as you keep your Mormon beliefs in that category, we're fine with dialogue. But if you insist on altering our Word with your revelations, we will not sit quietly by. Stop equating doctrinal disagreement with "bigotry" and hatred. Get a Webster definition and stop creating firestorms where none exist.

    Persecution? You mean when Biblical Christians refuse to allow Muslims and Mormons to mix polygamy in with Christ's salvation message? We have the D&C's you left with us; they're in English, we know exactly what was taught amd what was "reversed".

    So keep on being good neighbors and great friends. Get over your faux persecution complex. I'm voting for Gov. Romney based on his view of America, not for his private faith in another Jesus and another testament from a Mormon angel.

  • DUPDaze Bakersfield, CA
    May 30, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    GeoMan - which bigots do you fear? You shoulda lived in the Deseret in the1850's.

    John D. Lee, Bishop Klingensmith and fhe Iron County Militia really and literally ruined the day of America's first 9/11 in 1857. Made Haun's Mill the little squirmish it was by comparison. My pioneer Grandma put it in perfect perspective for us. She told us that if the members had followed Jesus' advice to live quiet lives and bless their communities, they would not have suffered so much persecution and state expulsion. She lived it and heard Mormonism discussed daily. She and my Grandpa moved to Idaho and were much happier there than in their Draper community of the early 1900's.

    They taught us to proudly defend our religion and heritage, "but never the human failings of our imperfect people and prophets". No fan of "old Brigham", she still fiercely believed he was God's choice to lead His people and build the Deseret empire. I learned more about integrity, loyalty and truthfulness from my frontier heritage than today's ever-apologetic, naval-gazing, paranoid 21st century PC saints and their PR releases.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 30, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    What about the OTHER Mormon - actually from UTAH - who is stilling running for President?

    Roseanne Barr gets no mention at all.


    BTW -
    Allen, TX

    I couldn't agree with you more.

    I'm glad only the tiny minority of Latter-Day Saints are from Utah.

    Like Donny Osmond used to sing to us --
    One Bad Apple don't Spoil the Whole Bunch!

  • P Central, Utah
    May 30, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    To J-TX, Allen, TX

    I'm sorry you feel that way. After being born in the "Mission Field" and spending over half of my life there my experiences and observations are different. I get to travel a lot with my job as well as having lived several places in the mission field as well as several places in Utah.

    Yes, there are differences, I have been in ;eadership positions in both situations and things like home-teaching routes may have been 60 miles rather than just around the block.

    As the article said, some have concerns about Mitt Romney as President. I have no doubt that he will represent the Church well and I am sure he will watched closely and not everyone will what he does and decisions he makes (as with any President).

    One problem of constantly being in the spotlight is any percieved stumble tends to be magnified (just look at the basketball game news analysis.) Some of what is percieved to be and error may also be connected with his Church Membership, even though that had little to do with it.

    Unanticipatrd things will happen (as they will to in any Presidency.)OH that Mormon!

  • GeoMan SALEM, OR
    May 30, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    I find J-TX's comments very strange. Having grown up "outside Utah" everyone I knew in the Church was very proud of their status as living "in the mission field." It is most certainly not a phrase only used by "Utah Mormons" (this being a phrase mostly used by people with a chip on their shoulder). That combines with the fact that many Mormons that live outside Utah have to frequently deal with prejudice and bigotry based on their religious beliefs. It is not uncommon for that prejudice and bigotry to rise to the status of persecution. Thus, in my experience, Mormons living outside Utah tend to actually be more attuned to the issues of persecution. Both the Globe and the BBC have it right: the increased attention on things Mormon will be a two edged sword. Many will become more familiar with Mormons in an accurate way. Conversely, the attention being paid to the faith will tend to stoke the fires of some individuals' bigotry. Given that I find it unlikely to create bigotry where it doesn't already exist, I think it will be a net positive thing. Yet a bigot can really ruin one's day.

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    The only way to fight ignorance is knowledge. If more people take the time to learn about the church (and they will), then this media exposure everybodys freaking out about will be for the good. J-TX - wow, I have lived in UT all my life and I haven't heard the term "mission field" used in that context for at least a decade or more. Maybe I just know better people now, who knows?

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    May 30, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    "Cringe"? I rest my case.

  • obedience4joy PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    May 30, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    I cringe at the idea of being the focus of media attention and having my life become a fishbowl. I can't imagine having my past, my present and my future be judged by members and non-members with microscopic intensity.I pray that prominent members of the LDS church will represent us well but I don't envy their positions. It is hard enough to be a good example our beliefs in my small circle of family friends and acquaintances.

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    May 30, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    Jon Huntsman, Mitt Romney, Harry Ried, Orrin Hatch... "what a long strange trip its been."

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    May 30, 2012 7:57 a.m.

    I am always surprised to hear that the paranoid isolationist culture is alive and well in Utah. Get over it, people! Join the 21st century! I am a 6th generation Mormon (8th through one line) whose people left Utah around 1850. Everywhere I have lived, in every congregation it was easy to tell the "Utah Mormons" from those who have always lived "in the mission field" - a phrase used by the Utah Mormons, not by us outside of Utah. You would think that sending so many missionaries around the world would give the state a more open, understanding, accepting culture, but no, you are always looking over your shoulders for mobs and tar and feathers.

    I believe this article has a decidedly Utah-Mormon slant. Those of us who are without that culture embrace the additional opportunity to share our faith and testimony with our neighbors, which we have done all our lives. The "Mormon Moment" has only slightly amplified the outreach we live every day. Zion is where you make it, folks.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    May 29, 2012 9:35 p.m.

    So who would you choose, Furry, Harry Reid?

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    May 29, 2012 8:24 p.m.

    I cringe every time Huntsman says anything about the church. I'm so glad he is not our nominee!

    Romney is a faithful member, not perfect, but none of us are. I'm glad to have him represent us. He may be torn apart by the media and Obama, but he will do a better job than most could.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    May 29, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    I cringe at the thought that people would judge the Church by Mitt Romney. Just about any faithful member would be a better role model.