Comments about ‘Several Utah high schools moving to 4-year format’

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Published: Friday, May 25 2012 7:03 p.m. MDT

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justired
Fillmore, UT

i have been around long enough to see many fads sweep through our schools (remember the "new math"?). so now the 3 year high school was just another fad. i remember when granger high school was built, i was a junior in high school (elswhere), and yesterday i drove past the site where they are building the new one.

some educational fads last a year or two, and apparently some last 50 years

toshi1066
OGDEN, UT

I think I am very glad my child does not attend Granger High, if the principal thinks he has "ownership" of his kids.

Cougar Voice
Murray, UT

One does need to be careful when using dropout rates as a sign for change in education. With a mobile community that does not necessarily own a home, it is possible that between the 9th and 10th grade years, the student is moving from one school district to another where graduation actually occurs. So the debate is a healthy one, and I believe that it is proper to have 9-12 together. But let's be careful on the excuses that are used when school districts try to justify bigger and newer and more expensive buildings. They are still playing with our tax dollars.

CougarBlue
Heber City, UT

Toshi66 you simply missed the point of what he was saying. It is so important to have the students all four years so you can have a continuous curriculum, and help the students feel part of the process for all four years. I saw how important it was in our district when we went back to the 4 year high school. The students "bought" into the high school curriculum, activities and felt part of the high school. They saw the real benefit of being there for 4 years.

I attended high school for all four years and enjoyed it. It was not a fad then. The fad was going away from the 4 year high school.

JimmyJackJohnJones
Jonestown, TX

Much of these changes are driven not by the districts, or by what's actually good for the kids, but instead by the architectural firms that believe they know what's best (big new buildings), and who stand to make huge profits from these "reconfiguration" strategies. A good example is Sandstrom Associates in Orem. You know the name. His website boasts they have been the recipient of $1,000,000,000 in funds for new educational buildings. All about the kids huh? Studies have shown that putting 6th grade in middle school is deleterious to their social development as well as their academic progress. When our school district did that here we pulled our 7th grader out, after a disastrous 6th grade, and enrolled him in online independent study. The difference is remarkable. The new ambulance chasers are architectural firms chasing public dollars for "seismic upgrades" to schools, reconfiguring what already exists, and modernizing health care facilities. Check the websites of the architects working for the Canyons district. Education and health care "professional consultants".

Utexmom
Flower Mound, TX

In my opinion four year schools are a good thing and a bad thing. It can be an advantage to get students out of junior high and into an atmosphere where they think more maturely. However, this doesn't always happen. Our distrct here has created 9th grade centers to protect the young girls from getting pregnant. I have substituted in some of these centers and they seem to be a very positive environment and are helpful for this age group.

However, if this practice leads to bringing the 6th grades up into junior high - as they do in Texas, I do not agree with this. 6th graders are way to young and naive to be put into that unkind environment. It is literally like throwing them to the wolves.

Aggielove
Cache county, USA

3 year high schools are way better!

K
Mchenry, IL

It would be a 6th grader in the same building as an 8th grader. Not a big deal. Many elementary schools across the country are K-8.

This is the norm elsewhere. Colleges care about courses done grades 9-12. Needing two transcripts makes little sense.

Most teaching certificates aren't for grades 10-12. Crazy to limit a school to those grades.

Even LDS seminary is for 4 years.

Coach P
Provo, UT

toshi1066:

Granger has some serious issues but Jerry Haslam might be the best principal to help Granger. I think he means by ownership is that he wants them to succeed. Transcripts for graduation are based on grades 9-12. I think he would like to see them under one building where he, as their administrator, can have them under his wing so to speak to better track their attendance, their progress and to actually have that extra year to get to know his students. The ownership he talks about I'm sure is the ownership of responsibility he feels to get them through school with a diploma. One disadvantage of a 3-year high school is that ninth grade counts but often it is left up the high school to get that student through the system. It is hard when the students show up without a lot of credits and well behind where they need to be. Any principal that wants to take on maybe 500 or more students because he truly wants them to succeed should be applauded.

Dadof5sons
Montesano, WA

I sure don't see what the hub bub is all about The rest of the USA has four years of high school four years of early morning seminary at 6:00 am then off to school. That is how my Son's have done it 25 miles to seminary one way the drive to school. Maybe Utah needs to be in step with the real world.

TexasMom
Flower Mound, TX

Utexmom, hello from another Flower Mound resident! I like the new design for both FM high schools to have their 9th grade centers be on the same campus but a different building than the rest of the HS. That way, they are still close enough to attend sports and other things at the HS but are kept separate for most things. I also agree that 6th grade is too young for middle school. There is a huge difference emotionally and physically between 6th graders and 7th and 8th graders.

@Charles
the greater outdoors, UT

It's so great to see Dadof5sons denigrate an entire state because it has a different opinion than him.

What real world does Utah need to step into? 9-12 grades at the same school? There are many places throughout the US where grades 10-12 are at the same school and 7-9 are at the same school and do just fine.

There are pros and cons to each arrangement but stepping into the real world is not one of them. But please, continue to break your arm patting yourself on your back.

justhappytobehere
Orem, UT

I would not worry about putting poor innocent ninth graders into the high school. If you've been in a junior high and in a high school, you know that junior high is by far the worse environment as far as bullying, inappropriate display of affection, foul language, etc. Most of the really good kids seem to come into their own by the time they reach tenth grade and they take over and set the tone for the high school a little better. Those who were the bullies in junior high usually find themselves a bit humbled upon arrival in high school. Just my opinion...

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