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Published: Thursday, May 24 2012 8:37 a.m. MDT

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skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

Mormonism is an interesting study in American history and a social study of how myths are born and reinvented to evolve into religious doctrine. Mitt Romney is an interesting parallel study of how he is reinventing himself to be legitimate to public appeal. Both are master works of converting reality to modified social/political man made promotional marketing models. It all goes to show the great American dream: if one has enough money and the talent of great advertisers She/he or it can be made to seem to be all the things they are not.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

I would love to see the day where major newspapers really bring to light past prophets, quotes, doctrines, etc and really drill the church on the issues. The answers given by Hinckly and Romney in official interviews were vague. They weren't answered directly, as always, and you get the run around.

If you have the one true church then talk about it publicly! Stop being shamed by the past and avoiding it's discussion.

LanceThruster
Los Angeles/LA, CA

The only objection to discussing Mormonism (or the LDS faith if you prefer) would be by those who would not want it discussed in an unfavorable light, otherwise why does the Church of LDS send out waves of young missionaries to all corners of the globe?

As an atheist, I am saddened by how those who feel they'll have an eternal afterlife, rationalize their dismal treatment of each other in.

In my mind, Mitt is a poster boy for this sort of myopic worldview.

johnnylingo62
Gray, TN

LanceThruster if an eternal afterlife is predicated on being an honest, true, benevolent person who espouses "faith, hope, and charity" and in following the "golden rule" (do unto others as you would have others do unto you) and mourn with those that mourn, and bear one another's burdens, and clothe the naked, feed the hungry, heal the sick, and follow all the teachings of Christ - how is this "dismal treatment of each other"?
Maybe you're hangin' out with the wrong crowd....

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

Looks like some of the bloggers would not be the ones to discuss the Restored Gospel with. I can never understand why these people even comment. If they don't believe it why bother.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

johnnylingo62,

If, as you say, "an eternal afterlife is predicated on being an honest, true, benevolent person who espouses 'faith, hope, and charity' and in following the 'golden rule' (do unto others as you would have others do unto you) and mourn with those that mourn, and bear one another's burdens, and clothe the naked, feed the hungry, heal the sick..." well, then I and 99% of my atheist friends and family qualify!

The presumption that atheists are not "honest, true, chaste, benevolent, etc." - "good people" is the most arrogant and damaging presumption that I constantly run into among my LDS friends, family members, and acquaintances! And most of them are so blind to it!

SLCMom
Salt Lake City, UT

Kudos to Ms. Amy Davidson of the New Yorker who is encouraging respectful dialog and consideration of the many positive aspects of Mormonism when looked at in the light of Americanism itself. She is not recommending investigation as a religion one must join or even to have to believe in, but rather simply as an excellent example of American "entrepreneurship" if you will, hard work, patriotism, building and strengthening families and the nation, and exemplifying fortitude under pressure. All characteristics of what Americans want and need in a Presidential leader.

Jeanie b.
Orem, UT

A Scientist - Johnnylingo did not presume anything about atheists. He was defending those who believe in Christ. I have an atheist friend who is very kind and dedicated to serving people. I'm sorry those around you are not more thoughtful.

What in Tucket - There are just those people who would rather exist in the shadow if a candle than benefit from its light or walk completely away and find something different.

Kaare Bye
KAMAS, UT

The Church of Jesus Christ and it leaders are under direct relationship with God The Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.
What ever the world say, has no bearing on our faith.

We get our orders from our God, and thos that serve us.

The Book of Mormon is the pure word of God, given to us on gold plates, translated by Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery.
This is a long story, but all I will say at present time.
Kaare Bye

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I suspect most people could care less about Mormonism as it relates to Mitt Romney. They care only about the economy and what Mitt can do for them. Mormonism will only be used by Obama and his far left media as a distraction and nothing more. Already we have seen attempts to bring up the Mountain Meadow Massacre and expect polygamy, blacks and the priesthood, and a host of other things to be dishonestly used as well. Mormons are not the mysterious two headed monsters they used to be and with Mormons as pro athletes, politicians, business leaders and entertainers now any FALSE and DEVIOUS attempt to scare people with Mormonism simply won't work...but that won't stop Obama and HIS media (MSNBC, CNN, NBC, Time and Newsweek) from trying all sort of dirty tricks.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

It's just amazing how obsessed some of these bloggers are with attacking the Church. They are always the first to post and attack as much as they can. obviously, they are having a lot of doubts about their doubts and need to go on the attack in order to justify themselves. Apparently, attempting to destroy the faith of others seems to help them feel better about themselves.

Spewing one's emotional problems all over the internet doesn't convince anyone else. and....there is always a way back. This much unhappiness doesn't have to be permanent.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:skeptic

Myths? Why myth? I will tell you what a myth is - The Big Bang Theory! Do you also think the New Testament is a myth? Jesus Christ a myth? I guess it's your call but let me give you some advise - at the very least it would behoove you to read the Book Of Mormon - the entire book - assuming you have some basic belief in God yourself. As far as Romney is concerned - I don't get your logic. You claim Romney is nothing more than a marketing campaign? Really? Are you aware that CEO's all across America STRONGLY endorse Romney? CEO's usually have PhD's coupled with heavy law and or business experience so I think these guys and gals are pretty savvy when it comes to sorting out a candidates worth as it relates to their bottom line ... they see through the amateur imposters like Obama. Romney has REAL experience as a governor , CEO, president of 2002 Olympics as opposed to Obama who is nothing more than an empty suit sugared up by the media. Sorry guy but you are going to have to do better than that!

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

@Patriots,

"CEO's usually have PhD's coupled with heavy law and or business experience so I think these guys and gals are pretty savvy when it comes to sorting out a candidates worth as it relates to their bottom line ... they see through the amateur imposters like Obama. "

CEO's don't usually have PHds ... professors do.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@LValfre
"I would love to see the day where major newspapers really bring to light past prophets, quotes, doctrines, etc and really drill the church on the issues. The answers given by Hinckly and Romney in official interviews were vague. "

Yeah but things said by prophets 100 years ago don't really have any bearing on Romney. Really the only things that should matter are things related to Romney himself. For instance, if someone were to ask him if he was comfortable as a missionary explaining why black people couldn't hold the priesthood, that at least would be relevant since it's about him and his thoughts, not what Brigham Young said about some random thing 130 years ago.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Gr8Dane

I'm going to go out on a pretty broad limb but for someone who criticizes atheists/agnostics (whose position on religion is generally "I don't know") as being too confident in their intellect, in the end I think it is you who claims to be part of the "one true church" so who exactly is feeling confident in their intellect.

jttheawesome
Scranton, PA

Probably the best way to learn about the LDS Church is....(drum roll, please!)...Go visit an LDS Church some Sunday. Or, if you're near a visitor's center, go there, as well. You may be pleasantly surprised, if you've never gotten to know any Mormons live and in person.

hgreenstreet
Virginia Beach, VA

Not "reinvention" but "restoration".

Wally West
SLC, UT

re: LanceThruster 11:41 a.m. May 24, 2012

"As an atheist, I am saddened by how those who feel they'll have an eternal afterlife, rationalize their dismal treatment of each other in."

re: A Scientist 2:14 p.m. May 24, 2012

"The presumption that atheists are not "honest, true, chaste, benevolent, etc." - "good people" is the most arrogant and damaging presumption that I constantly run into among my LDS friends, family members, and acquaintances! And most of them are so blind to it!"

Agreed. Its the mindset of "the chosen ones" have where, As long as they go through the motions on Sunday; it doesn't matter what they do on Mon to Sat.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

@ Cats 7:01 a.m. May 25, 2012

What about those not only blindly accept but apologize for the status quo?

re: patriot

"I will tell you what a myth is - The Big Bang Theory!"

Myth? No. TV show. Yes and a funny one @ that.

re: LValfre

"CEO's don't usually have PHds ... professors do."

CEO's usually have MBA's. Mitt has an MBA as did Dubya... Can you tell whee I'm going with this?

tyndale1
Pullman, WA

As much as the rest of us Mormons hate it, I think it is so important for you dissenters to blast the Church and try to set us in a negative light. We need you to keep that up as long as you can to keep the rest of us from becoming complacent. But such necessary detractors never stop the honest in heart from finding and following the Savior in righteousness and in truth. But still, we realize that if Satan did not oppose this work, then we would not know how effectively we are destroying his. Onward.

I am grateful for this article. It is good to see publications try to go for honesty instead of merely doing the typical caricature that so many have become accustomed to through their laziness. It is great to see editors and publishers stepping up to the Mormon moment, and making it more, including more honest to the role Mormonism has played in American history. Thank you.

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