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Published: Wednesday, May 23 2012 9:36 a.m. MDT

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Dunedain
PROVO, UT

The Jews practiced circumcision because God through his prophets told them to do so. Then Christ and his Apostles showed up and told them that it was God's will that they no longer follow that law. It doesn't invalidate what was previously said by the Prophets it just means that God has revealed something new to his people. Polygamy is the same thing.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Wally West
SLC, UT
@ LDS Liberal 12:10 p.m. May 23, 2012

There are elements of Gnosticism in the LDS faith that I like.

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Agreed.
That was what got me going in the 1st place.

I read the Gnostics Nag Hammadi - specifically the Gospel's of Mary, Thomas, and Philip --

And remembered D&C 91:1
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you concerning the Apocrypha—There are many things contained therein that are true, and it is mostly translated correctly;

4 Therefore, whoso readeth it, let him understand, for the Spirit manifesteth truth;

“Mormonism” includes all truth. There is no truth but what belongs to the gospel. ~ Brigham Young

Which is why we have been given that most wonderful gift of Holy Ghost - to discern ALL truth.

And the truth shall set you free.....

Flashback
Kearns, UT

The more pertinat question should be, "Why would we want to be mainstream??

zoar63
Mesa, AZ

@als Atheist

"We have seen such Dominionist belief systems throughout history. It never turns out well for those who don't believe the same way."

religion does not have a corner on intolerance or atrocity. Millions of people living in the Soviet Union under Stalin's regime were killed or sent to horrible work camps because of their political beliefs. State not religious leaders killed them.

Aggielove
Cache county, USA

In the world, not of the world.

FanofTHEgame
Mapleton, UT

There is little question to a person who espouses a religion that they do so because of what they gain from that religion. If they stop "gaining," most will leave that religion unless they feel some compelling reason to stay (i.e., they seem value for their children, business opportunities, etc.). Sometimes they depart for another religion, sometimes they simply disavow all religion. It runs the gamut. We've seem plenty of examples of those who come and go in their religiosity and certainly this is the case in Mormonism.

For me personally the value of "Mormonism" is that it gives me the highest value, the greatest opportunities to serve, the greatest potential for blessings. It allows me to see further, to feel deeper, etc. Others, of course, don't share this opinion. I don't fault them for there position just as I don't care if they fault me for mine. I have no doubts about my beliefs. I am certainly far from anything "perfect," but I firmly believe that Christ commanded us to "be perfect." Mormonism gives me the best opportunity for achieving "perfection," which I know I will never achieve in this life.

Kith
Huntington Beach, CA

DonP,

It is my understanding that only the prophet may speak words of scripture.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

@Brahma, Polygamy is not a "doctrine". It has nothing to do with the Faith, Repentance, Baptism, the gift of the Holy Ghost or any part of the Atonement. Like circumcision in the New Testament, it was a covenant and God-given practice that existed for a purpose for a given time. There are really only a few things that are "core" to our beliefs that are consistent throughout history. Woodruff et al were being faithful to a commandment at the time, then told to change.

Some people have a problem with change. It's part of Revelation. I would have more of a problem if some things couldn't change with our needs. Do you ever change practices in your household? How do you explain to your kids?

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

Dunedain

Is it then possible that god didn't tell them to do it at all? I mean it seems rediculous that god would say to do something, then later say wait now don't do it. Do this, now stop, now do that, now stop. I don't think god cares about all of these little things. I think he cares about how we treat others, that is what every commandment comes back to. Not how much money I pay in tithes, not how many times I step into a building on sundays, not how many times I read the words(opinions) of prophets in the scriptures from thousands of years ago, in a land not near here, in a culture not close to mine. I don't think he cares if I smoke or gamble or have facial hair. Point is, maybe it is the people that are just THINKING god told them to do something. Did not Warren Jeffs claim that god told him to do what he did? Anybody can say that.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@Brahmabull

"I mean it seems rediculous that god would say to do something, then later say wait now don't do it"

Do you have kids? When they were young, did you tell them they couldn't cross the street alone? Then when they got older, did you change that so it was OK?

Changing your mind did not make you a bad parent, and at neither time were you wrong! You were simply applying the rules based on the child's aptitude, ability, judgment, and the circumstances they were living in (you'd be more apt to apply that rule if you lived on a busy street instead of a one-lane dirt road). When the child's maturity and/or circumstances changed, that rule was no longer necessary so you got rid of it.

That's how God is with us: He gives us rules based on our aptitude, ability, judgment, and circumstances. It doesn't make him fallible and it doesn't make the prophets wrong - it just means he adapts the rules depending on internal and external factors.

peabody
Steamboat Springs, CO

As the Buddy Holly song goes; "That'll be the Day".

regis
Salt Lake City, UT

The desire of Mormons to be loved and embraced by the rest of the world reminds me of Sally Field at the Academy Awards: "You like me! You really like me!" Kind of silly, you know.

Jesus clearly told his followers that they would always be looked upon as peculiar. He taught that they should rejoice and be glad when they were persecuted and hated by others, just as he was persecuted and hated.

Mormons ought to take some pride in being looked upon as odd, or different, or "a cult." Who cares if the Rev. Jeffress doesn't think we are in the mainstream of Christianity? That was the exact criticism of the Jews when Christ was on the earth, that he taught new and different doctrines that didn't jive with the accepted teachings of the time.

Sasha Pachev
Provo, UT

Being "mainstream" is good, if the "stream" is flowing in the right direction. If we can become "mainstream" without turning away from the true doctrine of Christ, that is great. In our world today it would require some correction of the "stream" which is what we are trying to do.

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

I imagine some do, those who aren't comfortable with not fitting in, or who don't like being "different", perhaps, or those who just want to be popular and are afraid of what others will think of their strange religion. And there are some who are comfortable in their own skins and feel they have nothing to prove, as long as they are at peace with their God and with themselves. There are the people like me, who are in the last category and also a little strange, who really couldn't care less what anyone thinks anyway...lol...and march to their own drumbeat, who are happy with what they have and are willing to share it with the first person who wants to know. So Mormons--LDS folk come in all flavors, and this article is a little useless other than to point that out.

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

But,
Sasha Pachev, do we have a right to do "some correction of the "stream" which is what we are trying to do" as you say, and force those who are not with us to be with us against their will? To me, in my view, that smacks of Lucifer's plan in the Preexistence, which Heavenly Father did not accept. We can't force our fellowman to take our path, in order for us to be mainstream. We have to allow for choices, whether we like them or not, whether they are in line with our doctrine or not, in order to allow others to choose to follow us. True? Even our hymns sing of these things.

Give Me A Break
Pullman, WA

What does it even mean to be mainstream? We certainly are not going to give up our restoration doctrines, or our priesthood authority, or lower the standard for admittance into our temples. We are not going to ever side with the Trinity declarations of the Nicean Creed, and we are never going to stop baptizing for and in behalf of the deceased of our progenitors. But we will continue to grow and gain momentum until we fill the earth. Maybe then we will be mainstream, but not much earlier.

Those who oppose us, even in this newspaper comment board, are never going to think we are Christians. If that is what they are, then being a modern-day Christian loses some of its appeal anyway. But we will continue to live Christian lives, practice Christian virtues, pray to the father in the name of the Son, and follow the example of our Savior Jesus Christ, all the while attracting those of like values. I am getting used to being peculiar. Why change now?

sharrona
layton, UT

Re; Regis, But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a *peculiar people…(1Peter 2:9 KJV) “ The Priesthood of the believer”, Luther’s verse to the RCC during the reformation.
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession..(1Peter 2:9 NIV) (*peripoiesis,406,possession).

To: LDS Liberal, There are elements of Gnosticism in the LDS faith that I like. I read the Gnostics Nag Hammadi, specifically the Gospel's of Thomas.
The Gospel of Thomas is not really a Gospel(euangelion)but a list of sayings. Do you believe saying(logos) 114, Simon Peter said to them let Mary leave us for women are not worthy of life…?
There are elements of Gnosticism in the LDS faith. True,
The Colossian Heresy: Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility…(Col 2:21-23)W of W.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Regardless what individual members believe, or what the Church emphasizes right now, the problem is with the Church's official, scriptural vision of the future.

According to D&C 1:14, those who do not believe in Mormonism will not be tolerated at all:

"...the day cometh that they who will not hear the voice of the Lord, neither the voice of his servants, neither give heed to the words of the prophets and apostles, shall be cut off from among the people;"

And foreshadows of that intolerance are already manifest in the cultural attitudes I see among LDS people almost every day. It comes across as an "ethnocentrism", but also as an "arrogance". It is really off-putting.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

My sense is, mainstream is where the recognition and political power is, and yes that's where the organisation wants to go, whether or not individual members feel that way. That's why they've worked so hard behind the scenes to rebrand.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

DNews, and Utah's members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who view Mitt Romney's successful campaign for the Republican presidential nomination as a significant step toward acceptance of the church as a mainstream American religion.

ALL Mormons really want recognition as a mainstream religion.

Tell me something new.

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