Re:tyndale1, Terminology and it's use sometimes causes
misunderstandings:Mormon view: Mormonism declares there are 3 Gods
in the godhead. God was once a man like us before he became a God. God the
Father has a body of flesh and bones.Christian view(Catholic protestant):
God has always been God, There is only one God(Triune). God does not change. God
the Father does not have a body of flesh and bones.Mormon view;
Jesus is our elder brother. Lucifer is the brother of Jesus. Jesus is the
firstborn spirit child of the Father. Christ gained exaltation (became a
God),All men were born sons of God in the spirit. Christ was begotten by an
Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal
fathersChristian view(Catholic, protestant): Jesus created angels
including Lucifer. Jesus has always been God, Jesus was a miraculous conception;
a virgin gave birth by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Jesus of Mormonism was
born at Jerusalem. The Jesus of the Bible was born in Bethlehem.Christian view: Holy Ghost/Spirit same Greek word(pneuma)
@DONNTerminology and it's use sometimes causes
misunderstandings. In LDS theology, there are three members of the Godhead: God
the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Ghost, or Holy Spirit. They are unified
in purpose and act as one, but they are each unique entities. When Mormons say
Jesus was not begotton of the Holy Ghost, now you can see why. They simply
believe Jesus was begotton of God the Father, not the Holy Ghost. To those who
believe there is no difference except in title this seems contradictory, but to
them, it adds clarity. Jesus is the only begotton Son of God.
Why should I be concerned with the private ambitions of a single member of the
Church (being carried out in public)? Forget the fact that I don't like
him or his policies... But suppose I did? Why should I "campaign" for
him through my outreach?
I hope everyone can see the stark contrast in President Obama and Mitt Romney. I
hope Mitt begins to openly speak out about his faith and defend it, We as LDS
people need to work hard for the election of Mitt Romney, not bercause he is
LDS, but because he is an honorable, god-fearing man with the skill set to be a
fine President. Every LDS person should be proud and willing to reach out to
everyone outside of our faith and show them what being a member of the Church
has done for us. Mitt's volunteer service for about 10 years being a Bishop
and a Stake President have proven that Mitt is much more than a very rich man
who can't understand what his neighbors go through every day. His service
to others is exemplary. What more could we ask for in a President of the United
States. I say the Heavens and earth will all rejoice when he is elected and the
evil evidences of a very bad President Obama are gone.
The Taxman,It embarrasses me to have Obama as a follow American, and
supporting some of the things he does.
Meaning more white shirts in the neighborhood ??
It embarrasses me that Mitt is the same religion as me. How many of
you in Utah would like to explain what Harry Reid says and does to your Utah
neighbors? This is how I feel about Romney. Except of course that Harry Reid
doesn't say opposite things on different days, depending upon whom
he's trying to court.I'll be glad when all of this is over
and we (Mormons) can hopefully return to being perceived as an honest people.
Reach out means handouts. Begging is now part of the evolving society our
liberals have created. Now they'll claim the church is mean spirited to
bring down Mitt.
Funny -- Senator Reid doesn't need the Church or it's
members to help him get elected.In fact, they cause more harm than
good.BTW - I thought the official LDS Church policy was to NOT
endorse any political candidate.I'm surprised how the LDS Church
owned newpaper keeps breaking this policy daily.
East Coast is right in the process. Even in the United States, people
don't know much about a lot of things, especially religion, just look at
Jay Leno interviewing people on the street. We just have to do what we do best,
do it and live it. I have worked with people from about 80 different countries
and none of them LDS and one thing they love to do is go to Temple Square as
they feel something special there. Even living in Tooele, Utah for six weeks at
a time they noticed a difference in dealing and being with the people there.
With the billions of people in the world of varying religious and political and
educational backgrounds, this will be a interesting time of our existence.
People in 1860s didn't think a poor backcountry attorney would become
President with the rich rivals and political rivals he had to contend with. We
still have those days with today with people saying they don't know Mitt
Romney and much about his religion even with Internet and other forms of
communication that the 1860s didn't have. Contention comes from many
intelligent and ignorant people, everywhere.
RE: voters who have a close relationship to a Mormon are the only ones who
won't respond negatively to incendiary claims such as "Mormons are not
Christians”?I’m married to a Mormon, but when I became a
Christian I understand why Bible believing Christians think Mormonism is a
mis-leading religion.The “pale” of Christianity believes the
birth of Jesus was a unique miracle by the Holy Spirit/Ghost, same Greek
word(Pneuma) .”They tell us that the BoM states that Jesus was
begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The BoM teaches No
Such Thing! Neither does the Bible!”( Joseph Fielding Smith)A
precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power
of the Holy Ghost and bring forth a son yea, even the Son of God. ( Alma 7:10)
. The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest
shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of
thee shall be called the Son of God.(Luke 1:35). A of F, original
Edition, #8 We believe in the Word of God recorded in the Bible.
People need to vote for whichever candidate they believe in, regardless of their
faith or the faith of the candidate. But whether it is an election year or not
members need to do good. This is not an election tactic. Just open your mouths
people. Let people know that you are a Mormon, and do good. Do good to them that
hate you, and pray for them who despitefully use you and persecute you.The Church is already doing a massive reach-out, but it is not for Romney.
Personally I like Romney. I like what he did for the Olympics and I like what I
think he will do for America. But that is not why I want people to know I am a
Mormon. I just want people to know there is real goodness out there. The
election is a sideshow. Just get out and do good.
People are going to believe in what they want to believe, concerning the LDS
faith.In all categories of demographics, it will always boil-down to
~50/50, for and against, no matter what we do. This runs in concordance with
scripture that says Joseph Smith's name will be spoken of both "good
and evil".It's a foreordained thing, IMO.
Improve outreach...And NO, we do not mean the condescending,
holier-than-thou, I have the one and only truth and you don't, you poor
sinner I am here to save you, we will rule the world someday under the kingship
of Christ "outreach".We do not need patronizing arrogance
nor want to be evangelized and "brought into the fold".Thank
you very much.
I would like to know where the writer has been looking the last few years? Has
he paid attention to all the helping hands efforts since hurricane Katrina as
well as any other disaster? What about the community cleanups that occur with
LDS members interacting with other faiths and neighbors in cleaning up cities
and neighborhoods. Has the reporter looked at the annual cleanups and projects
that the LDS members have participated in for a number of years now? I think the
reporter needs do more research. By the Way, these Helping Hands activities have
taken place all over the United States. The LDS Church and members have been out
in the communities helping out and mixing with their neighbors. If others cannot
see these efforts, it is because they are blind or are too focused on
... And what if you're Mitt's bishop or stake president? Do you call
him in and tell him to knock off the "unbecoming" behaviors (that make
many of we members cringe) or do you let him continue pursuing an "anything
to win" strategy?
In this world, you have to make choices all the time. There are good, better
and best choices. You may not have a perfect choice but there are differences.
As I think about this article, President Obama has taken his religion and
military dislikes to the forefront of this campaign. He has torn the military
spirit down and is now trying it with religion. Religion has always been an
issue from the beginning of time. Politics or having kings and queens has
always had problems. We have our nation and a Constitution that is special and
meant for us to be a stable country. People, Courts and leaders in our
government are attempting to take away those principles and letting the media
portray everything with religion and the military is wrong. We as a nation
would not be anywhere in this world without the freedom of religion and a strong
military. George Washington suffered from a poor military but the might of God
he trusted in and his men and the women who supported our way of life, lived for
now over 200 years and will continue on. We can't let the media and
President portray our country wrong
@JWB, I've lived in 4 countries outside the US and have visited dozens of
other countries. You and I BOTH KNOW how little is known about our church both
inside and especially OUTSIDE the US. There are plenty of other churches doing
good for a number of great causes out there. There are more soup kitchens,
orphanages, medical missions, etc run by other churches than by ours. I'm
not faulting the quality of the work we do or the size or scope. We just have to
find ways to involve others, work with others, perhaps join their efforts or
invite them to join ours, etc. We don't need to get down on what we're
doing, just find ways to do it better and involve others. Our Stake
Presidency issued a challenge to read the Book of Mormon this year and take a
hard copy (vs. I-Pad, etc.) with us when we sit in the plane or train, prepared
to share a marked copy with our seat mates. I've thought of how many times
I've sat next to someone who wanted to discuss family, etc. and never
shared my beliefs and values.
So if I am trying to be an emissary for my Church but don't want Romney
elected, what am I supposed to do? I don't like my faith being learned
through the lens of "Mitt Romney's" faith.
I have lived in Europe, Asia, Central and South America and quite a few states
in the U.S.A. I have not seen a religion or people do more for their neighbors,
friends and others as the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints. People that live by, work with and associate with know what Latter-day
Saints are and believe in. There is so much negative press that used to be
local but now is worldwide that teaches other things about what LDS people are
taught and believe. Example and doing is what is good and the people that
directly criticize and show false-doctrine are not going to back down from any
positive efforts. They are going to get wrapped up more in their advertising
and preaching that the Church is Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is in error,
which it isn't. Members are as a basic whole are trying to do their best
to live like Christ would have them live, even in a world that is
head-over-heels trying to do the exact opposite. This United States of America
is an ensign to the world. Romney= Ensign also
A study based in part on four year old info? These three guys have to be
Sorry, but the question shouldn't be whether the Mormon religion can hurt
Romney, but rather whether he is hurting the Mormon religion with his campaign
behaviors. Unless we want to be known as a people who will sink to the lowest
common denominator and do or say whatever we think advantages us at the moment,
then I think the answer is a resounding 'yes'.
I can't help but think of a story in the Book of Mormon of the person
Mormon who was chosen to lead the people out of a very bad situation. Now, the
people were quite wicked and I am sure they did not appreciate Mormon's
stance toward their wickedness but they wanted him anyhow as he was their only
chance. I see a bit of a parallel between now and then. I think most people
understand that they really don't have another choice and will choose Mitt
and I think that they will be pleasantly surprised.
Just a thought but what if Obamas birth place lets the Democrats throw him out
of the race choose another runner for their side?
The LDS Church has been all about outreach since it's inception. I'm
not sure what else we could do. Decades of lies about us have taken their toll.
But, we strive every day to overcome those lies.
I am grateful for the proof I have that the LDS church is true and is what it
claims to be. The crux of that proof came from asking God and personal spiritual
experiences. I don't know if that translates well to other people who have
preconceived notions about how religion should be, but imo, its really the only
reasonable way to run a religion--by individual conscience. I know
there are others in the world who have received strong impressions as to the
truths they hold dear. I try to be respectful of those beliefs--no matter how
alien they may be to me--because who am I to decide if God hasn't spoken to
them in their way of understanding? I love this country. It affords
us all a conscience and the right to pursue whatever religious (or lack of)
inclinations we find. I think Mitt Romney is doing the right thing
by not using his religion as a way to prove he's superior to
others--because I think that approach is contrary to the nature of deep
spiritual respect we need in our nation's top leader who must defend
freedom of religion.
I think the outreach is done by associating with your neighbors of other faiths.
It comes from not condemning them for not being LDS. It happens by allowing your
children to play with their children. It starts by including them in your
workplace lunch conversations. We need to be truly interested in
others. Can we show that interest without it coming across as a weak attempt to
convert them to our faith? We have a lot of work to do in this area.
It's an excellent opportunity for us to talk to people since they are more
curious than ever. We do tend to be insular and involved/busy with only our own
people, so this is a great time to reflect and see what we can improve upon -
make new or better friends with non LDS, talk to people when we travel, find new
ways to share our message in a positive way (e.g. write blogs that don't
insult/offend those who don't agree with us).We can't
change the way Romney talks about his faith or shows it in the way he campaigns,
but we can improve how we operate and represent our beliefs. Let our Christian
acts of love and service speak louder than our words. What a cool challenge!!
Quin Monson and his co-authors also need to get their collective heads out of
the political sand they breath and also pay attention to all the things the LDS
church and members do to reach out to the community. They have been doing that
for a number of years, so my recommendation to mister Monson and friends is to
wake up and pay attention to what is happening in the communities. They should
get out of Utah and see all the good that takes place all over the United States
where the "Helping Hands" dig in and help their neighbors and
communities. Wake up Monson!!!!!
Actually, Obama's HHS contraceptive/abortifacient mandate followed by his
support for gay marriage has gone A LONG way toward shattering the
"stained-glass ceiling." AND of course there is the economy. I promise,
while there are some that put religion at the top of their issues list for this
election, there are far greater issues this time around and most people
aren't going to let Romney's religion keep them from voting AGAINST
Probably tough on Romney's conscience to discuss his LDS religion when he
repeatedly is getting caught in lies.
wow...so Mitt's secret weapon is for Mormons to reach out? very impressive
research guys, NOT! Aren't there more useful topics to research this this?
unbelievably a waste of resource, money, and time!
Last week Romney was interviewed by a Christian News Service that is very
negative to his Religion.Romney never said anything about his Mormon Faith
or his belief in Jesus. A golden moment missed.
You have to ask how there are so many religions and denominations out there.
None brings any more proof than another to the table, so it stanss to reason
that most, or maybe all, are selling snake oil. That's why it's so
important to keep religion personal. Pushing it harder, maybe increasing the
font size on the front of the building, isn't going to help. When it comes
to religion, don't yell louder. Clam up.
I'm not sure what this article is getting at. The LDS church has like
50,000+ missionaries, TV ads, Temple open houses, an entire PR department and
they suggest we improve our outreach...? Um, how?Instead let's
try getting a Mormon presidential nominee out there against a really REALLY
awful alternative and let each person in the USA decide if they want their
entire country to go up in flames over the next 4 years or if Mormonism is really the sinister cult their Evangelical preacher has led
them to believe. Maybe they might look into the Mormon church with a reason to
WANT to believe good things for the first time in their lives.How
about that for PR in high speed?
I believe the best definition of Christian is one who is or strives to be like
Christ. Which probably means, some Mormons are Christian, and some aren't.