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Published: Tuesday, May 22 2012 5:00 a.m. MDT

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Idaone
Adairsville, GA

I have always loved the story of the 2000 Stripling Warriors! However,can someone explain why they are always pictured wearing GREEK OR ROMAN looking armor?

southern son
SHARPSBURG, MD

This sounds like a wonderful event!Something to think about.Helaman never refers to the Striplings as 'warriors',but as 'soldiers',for good reason.In a nut shell,a'warrior' is one who fights for his own personal glory,a 'soldier' fights for a higher cause other than his own;as one who is part of a cohesive unit.Helaman displays great pride in how these disciplined young men reacted to and obeyed orders as they fell into lines of battle,acting as one.This,coupled with their total faith in God,was their unbeatable strength in battle.These young men were true 'Soldiers' of God in thought and deed.We,as Church members,can learn a lot from these magificently trained(spiritually and militarily)young men.

earnest reader
MENAN, ID

Awesome story! Wish I could be there it see it!

GreatScot
Eagle Mountain, UT

Suggestion: Your site is a great source of information about awesome events like this one and sometimes great places to go. It would be great if there were a footer or sidebar with a link to more information, a map, the date and time, and cost to attend where applicable. A small newspaper in Portland did this and became an indispensable item for weekend planning. Thanks for all you do!

CF Mom
Sandy, UT

I now know where I will be on that day. my only regret is that my sons are too old and my grandsons too young (and live in the wrong place)to join Helaman's Army. How about this become a tradition like the flags that started at Sandy city hall have.

southern son
SHARPSBURG, MD

Very astute observation Idaone!They would not appear in Roman armour.When Lehi&co.left the Holy Land in 600 BC,the cultural influences for arms and armour would have evolved from the Assyrians/Babylonians,Egyptians,Celtic mercernaries,Greeks(prior to the 'classical' era yet to come of Sparta and Athens),etc.The most influential being the Assyrians.That influence would entail fully shod feet,including knee high boots,pants, scale armour,leather jerkins with metal plates,etc.This could include crested helms too.The style,by the era of the Title of Liberty would reflect the heritage of 600 BC,but would be distinct to the Nephites through their own inovations.The Book of Mormon is very specific that the Nephite armies were well clothed,armoured and armed which includes the Striplings.By observing the cultural influences of 600BC, we can make historically 'feasible' portrayals of what the Nephite armies may have looked like by the Title of Liberty era.Without actual relics to study for historical 'accuracy',that's my formula as an artist of this era, for good or ill!

NiCiSu
Herriman, UT

I read that they are looking for boys in several stakes near Bountiful, but can others join in? How many boys do they have right now? My son would love to participate.

Jules
Provo, Utah

This sounds really wonderful! But my big question is... what about all the young women??? Are we leaving the girls out? Sounds like it. Let's remedy this quickly. Organize 2,000 girls to also march, maybe as future mothers, or also as an army (of daughters of God). Please let us not disrespect our daughters by leaving them out!

Dave in AZ
Snowflake, AZ

That's going to to be a site you won't soon forget!! 2000+ walking in the parade. They did it in Snowflake about ten years ago, got YM from all over Arizona to dress up in white shirts and ties (with a few men to help guide the younger ones, they had 10+ years old if their dads marched too, I believe). It was a quite site to behold as they came up over a slight hill and then down it---it seemed to never end!! From the distance, it looked like a sea of white flowing down the hill. But as they got close one could that they were all future missionaries as they each had name tags!! We in the crowd loved it as it was a great sacrifice to come from all over to be in the parade, but they all did. It will be well worth it to the participants and observers as well. Carry on Bountiful!

Pierda
kaysville, ut

"Out of every 100 men, ten shouldn't even be there. Eighty are just targets. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back" - Heracletus (500 B.C.)

I think the above poster got it backwards. Warriors are usually the ones fighting for a higher cause. They dedicate their lives to mastering their art so that they can more effectively control the battle. Your definition of Warrior more closely matches that of a mercenary. Why else would the Lord call the men of the Church his "Warriors" (D&C 105:16)

If we actually read the accounts of the battles in the Book of Mormon, we read that the armor created by Moroni was of a kind never before encountered among the people of the land. He innovated something that had not been done to that point. So comparing it to any kind of Middle Eastern or European armor is not possible. Take a look at any kind of armor used in the Americas and you'll see what I mean.

RedneckLefty
St. George, UT

But tell you what: I'll go along with it if the parents of the 2060 young men who march in the parade will take an oath to never go to war.

Martin Blank
Salt Lake City, UT

If you want to see your boys in uniform, why not drive them down to the recruiting office on their 18th birthday? With the eyes of the nation on the Mormons, how in the world will the spectacle of 2000+ young men in "Mormon" battle dress go over, do you think?

I really wish that instead of playing dress up for artificial "growth" experiences, some local LDS leaders would get their youth involved in good causes like Habitat for Humanity or any of the other homeless outreach programs. There are plenty of God's children "out on the plains" of poverty and hopelessness that could use our help, but we're up in Wyoming acting out our ancestor's sacrifices. We might do better to make our own sacrifices.

SLMG
Murtoa Australia, Victoria

Martin Blank

Salt Lake City, UT

If you want to see your boys in uniform, why not drive them down to the recruiting office on their 18th birthday? With the eyes of the nation on the Mormons, how in the world will the spectacle of 2000+ young men in "Mormon" battle dress go over, do you think?

I really wish that instead of playing dress up for artificial "growth" experiences, some local LDS leaders would get their youth involved in good causes like Habitat for Humanity or any of the other homeless outreach programs. There are plenty of God's children "out on the plains" of poverty and hopelessness that could use our help, but we're up in Wyoming acting out our ancestor's sacrifices. We might do better to make our own sacrifices.

I guess someone always has to rain on the parade.
There is no reason that these young men shouldn't partcipate in both the march of the stripling warriors and be involved in community service as well, maybe the march will encourage more sacrifice on there part. Never forget your history, what better way than reenactment of the warriors and the handcarts?

NC Rick
Chapel Hill, NC

"We want to build their testimonies." Does this S.P. really think this is how testimonies are built? I'm sorry, but this is pure kitsch. Testimonies are not built on short-term, manufactured, feel-good events. They are built through honest seeking, real effort, and a witness of the still, small voice. I think too many LDS youth only have this kind of artificial testimony, built on a foundation of sand. When the storms come, that foundation washes away. It is sad to see how many young people are leaving the church. I wonder if part of the reason is that the "testimony-building" they had during their formative years was of this cotton-candy variety, rather than the deep, personal experiences they need to truly build a firm foundation on "the rock." With all due respect to the well-intentioned organizers, this is a prime example of what Hugh Nibley called "Zeal without Knowledge." How about teaching the youth of the church to apply Alma 32 in their daily lives? How about internalizing the extraordinary sermon in Mosiah 2-5?

Wilf 55
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Well-meant initiative, but with potential negative implications. I am thinking in particular about the media and how reactions could be around the world if the story & report is picked up elsewhere (and it probably will). Drill marching of a mass of young men in military fashion conjures up images of certain belligerent nations history has known all too well. Such marching would be unthinkable in the many countries that have suffered under the consequences of such exhibitions of power. Video and images of “Mormon youth marching” could contribute to even more misunderstanding of Mormonism around the world. And if not, it will still be kitsch misrepresenting the Book of Mormon story and it's actual message of pacifism.

Jeanie b.
Orem, UT

Jules -

I am a mom of both boys and girls and recognize the value of both. However, it really is O.K. for the young men to have this opportunity without making sure the young women get something of equal value. There is no disrespect to young women in this. We know our young women are just at stalwart. Let's just relax and enjoy this cool idea on its own merits. There's nothing to fix here.

Martin Blank -

I went on a stake handcart trek when I was 11 year old with my family. That experience has been a part of my decisions to make sacrifices for others in my own life. I tasted a little of what the pioneers went through and even at the age of 11 I made some profound connections. Some reenactments are worthy of our time.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

wilf55: Pacifism,really. Not in the least. What the Book of Mormon teaches is that it is our duty to protect, to defend and to honor not only our country but our faith. If we do so the Lord will protect us.

What the story of the 2000 strappling warriors taught is that these young men had extraordinary faith that there love of their God and their country was more important to them than their own lives. Since, their faith was so strong not one of them was killed in battle. Yet, not one of them came out of the battle unhurt. Each one had multiple wounds yet they all survived. For the youth of this area to take a stand and to march symbolizing the faith of the 2000 warriors is significant and worthy of them.

During the Cultural Celebration of the Kansas City Temple, the organizers expected around 1500 youth to show up. Over 3000 showed up and participated. Do you honestly believe that just reading their scriptures brought them there. If so you are sadly mistaken. They came because of their faith.

I wish the US would require every youngman the requirement for military service.

BYUalum
South Jordan, UT

Even though this is in effect extemely worthy and will be memorible, I think when the liberal press takes their slant on this on a nationwide basis and paints it as something other than what it really was intended to be, it will be determined to have not been a wise decision. We live in troubled times.

SLC gal
Salt Lake City, UT

Wow! If this helps them build testimonies, then why not? I, like many of the other naysayers are questioning exactly HOW that experience would have any spiritual value, but the Lord works in mysterious ways... and it can't be that different from people dressing up and running all over Manti every summer.

Gram Cracker
Price, UT

It amazes me that some readers doubt how life-changing this experience will be. Also, there were no daughters that fought along side the stripling soldiers. Let's not make this out to be something other than it is. It will be wonderful!

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