@zoar63"What about the Dred Scott decision of the Supreme Court in
1857 which said that people of African descent brought into the United States
and held as slaves or their descendants, whether or not they were slaves were
not protected by the Constitution and were not U.S. citizens?Both
the Church and the government have remedied those injustices."It's not quite the same though. People are readily able to acknowledge
that the court was wrong and condemn the decisions. A church decision though...
as long as the LDS church believes that the priesthood ban was correct for the
period that it was in place (regardless of what unknown reasons were used for
it) then Romney has to either agree with that position or condemn the
church's position on the matter just like Huntsman did.
Sharona is dead on. It's hard to know what's believable and
what's not? What's revelation and what's societal pressure? The
constant change is difficult to follow ...
RE: zoar63 "Romney may not have a problem but he'll be hard pressed to
explain why Blacks were denied the Priesthood for over 100 years without any
revelation supporting their position" By 1978, Brazil was one of
the strongest reasons why the ban was lifted. The opening of its new temple in
Sao Paulo, the LDS Church was ordaining hundreds of Brazilians to its
priesthood. Did the LDS Church ignore Brazilian history? Between 1538 and
Brazil's abolition of slavery in 1888, about five million African slaves
were brought to that country. Through mixed marriages, Mulattos make up a
substantial portion of the Brazilian population. How would the LDS Church
possibly know whether or not those being ordained were qualified? With the
dedication of this temple only a few months away, it would seem imperative that
the church either lift the ban or face the possibility of a public relations
nightmare. For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile, the
same Lord is Lord of All and richly blesses All who call on him, for, Everyone
who calls on the name of the Lord WILL BE SAVED(Roman 10: 10-12).
@Dixie Dan"Romney may not have a problem but he'll be hard
pressed to explain why Blacks were denied the Priesthood for over 100 years
without any revelation supporting their position"What about the
Dred Scott decision of the Supreme Court in 1857 which said that people of
African descent brought into the United States and held as slaves or their
descendants, whether or not they were slaves were not protected by the
Constitution and were not U.S. citizens?Both the Church and the
government have remedied those injustices. It is past history now.
The problem with Mitt Romney is he is Mitt Romney. He reminds me of Forrest Gump
in terms of social skills. Gooooooo Obama!
Voluntarily serving in a church whose founder has said as an article of faith
that '.we believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent,virtuous and in
doing good to all men'The above sounds like a good thing to
have on your resume.
What I worry about is not whether Romney will have a problem in the election
because he is a Mormon but rather how "black an eye" the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter Day Saints" will get from the poor example Romney is by his
pandering and stretching the truth. Let's see how far he goes to get
I hope everyone is paying atention to the truthfulness of Mitt Romney. His stand
on moral issures. His efforts tostick to the problems that are plaguing
the United States and only using Obamas record to convience us, the American
voters that he, Mitt Romney, can do a better job. I for one believe without a
doubt that he can, and will do a better job if given the opportunity.
The Mormon Moment was in 2002 during the world Olympics. The rest of this is
Mitt Romney's Mormon problem, don't mess with us "SENIORS"
Mitt.We went to breakfast at a restaurant where the
'seniors' special' was two eggs, bacon, hash browns and toast for
$2.99. 'Sounds good,' my wife said. 'But I don't
want the eggs..' 'Then, I'll have to charge you $3.49
because you're ordering a la carte,' the waitress warned her. 'You mean I'd have to pay for not taking the eggs?' my
wife asked incredulously. 'YES !' stated the waitress. 'I'll take the special then,' my wife said.. 'How do you want your eggs?' the waitress asked. 'Raw and in the shell,' my wife replied. She took the
two eggs home and baked a cake. DON'T MESS WITH SENIORS !!! WE'VE been around the block more than once !
The best way to get rid of the mormon problem would be to get rid of the
religion problem as a whole. Focus on what the country needs, which is not your
religion no matter what it is.
@wool over eyes"What is wrong with changing one's mind about
something, and why should Romney not be given this privilege along with the rest
of us? "Because Romney can't seem to go a few days without
changing a position. Apparently Arizona's immigration bill is not a model
for the nation as he said during a debate. Apparently Romney now supports
keeping the student loan interest rate low. Apparently Romney opposes
same-gender adoption again after supporting it for about 2 days after Obama came
out for same-sex marriage. It's really difficult to figure out where Romney
stands on the issues.
Trust me. Mitt Romney has a mormon problem. Huntsman didn't because
he's distanced himself from his faith AND is cultured and multi-cultural
married. Romney is a bread-and-butter Mormon .... you can't get much
farther from finding common ground with people than that.
"Romney doesn't have a Mormon problem. He has a consistency
problem."Has anyone tracked Obama's promises during his
campaign to what he has actually delivered? Now THERE is some inconsistency.
What is wrong with changing one's mind about something, and why should
Romney not be given this privilege along with the rest of us? People keep going
after two things with Romney: his religion and his "inconsistency." This
record is scratched and old. Let's get a new tune.
As usual, this has turned into a pro- or anti-Mormon discussion. Why is religion
even a litmus test for becoming a Presidential nominee? Yes, this has all been
hashed and rehashed to the point that by now it should be a non-issue. Romney is
Mormon. Period. Some people don't like that. Period. This isn't about
arguing a religion's past -- be it Wright or Joseph Smith.
Romney doesn't have a Mormon problem. He has a consistency problem.
If Evangelicals don't vote for Romney in November because of his church
affiliation, and Obama wins, they deserve what they get.
I can only hope they start attacking each others' religions. They both
have a lot of explaining to do. To the comment mentioning LDS
anti-mormon history vs. actual history ... there are definitely biases and
extreme speculations from some of the history as it's presented by those
who are anti-mormon. There are also extreme speculations to those who defend
the mormon religion with wild theories and justifications for questionable
issues. There are questionable parts of the religion's history, as we all
know, that are never qualmed because of the spin arounds, irrational
justifications, and "i don't know" answers from it's members.
The actual mormon history is questionable ... but not as questionable as the
answers of why. That's where it gets ugly.
With regard to Rev. Wright, Sean Hannity told listeners/viewers that ALL those
running for office need to be FULLY (emphasis added) vetted.Sean
meant only President Obama's relationship with Rev. Wright?
Don't LDS missionaries go out every day looking for people willing to
"abandon" their religion for something else? Isn't that
Pagan"FYI, Obama was born in Hawaii. Nothing 'questionable'
about it, unless you dislike black Americans."African Press
International says it has Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate - March 9,
2012??? Go see.
Mitt Romney lost every contested primary in which the majority of voters
described themselves as evangelical or fundamentalist Christians. That was
always going to be his "Mormon problem", not the general election.
Evangelicals and fundamentalists will vote for a Mormon over a Democrat.
What is the agenda here DNEWS. A little biased, are we?
@AZRods: Did Obama abandon his religion, or just his religious adviser?
There's a big difference!
This is simply re-hashing the same talking points from the Deseret News
previously... 'Polls: Mormonism won't hurt Mitt Romney
like Perry might' - By Hal Boyd, Deseret News - 09/06/11
Result....? 'Fox News host: Romney not Christian' - By
Hal Boyd, Deseret News – 07/17/11 'Rick Perry backer
decries Mitt Romney, Mormons' - By Jamshid Ghazi Askar, Deseret News -
10/08/11 (Robert) Jeffress described Romney's Mormon faith as a
'cult,' and said evangelicals had only one real option in the 2012
primaries. ... Asked by Politico if he believed Romney is a Christian, Jeffress
answered: 'No.' "’Cult of Mormon’
comment leads Newt Gingrich’s Iowa political director, Craig Bergman, to
resign’ - By Tad Walch – Deseret News – 12/14/11
’Rick Santorum-backing pastor plays the ‘Mormon cult’
card’ – By Joseph Walker – Deseret News – 01/20/2012 'Baptist reverend: Mitt's Mormonism a bigger issue than
Newt's infidelity' - Published by DSNews - 12/20/11 FYI,
Obama was born in Hawaii. Nothing 'questionable' about it, unless you
dislike black Americans.
Romney may not have a problem but he'll be hard pressed to explain why
Blacks were denied the Priesthood for over 100 years without any revelation
supporting their position.
truthseek, Romney didn't abandon his religion when the public eye focused
on him. I'll take our history (not the anti Mormon version, the
correct version) and put it next to Rev Wright's history all day long.The nice thing is that his actual history is the best source to use anyway. It
doesn't need to be doctored up by anyone.And it's beautifully
documented in live video with the Obama's singing right along.I'll actually be surprised if it doesn't come to this by
November.I suspect that Obama's advisors are avoiding the
"religion" comparisions like the plaque.
Romney's Mormon problem may be overblown....Unless Super Pacs
supporting Romney launch a vicious attack on Obama using Jeremiah Wright and
then Super Pacs supporting Obama could launch a counter-attack
using Mormon history. That could get very ugly very quickly....
Many Evangelicals, who usually disdain Romney, because of his religion will
collectively coalesce around Mitt, hold their breath, and vote for the Mormon,
in order to stave-off Obama's agendas.
The prospect of a Mormon governor from Massachusetts in the White House should
not be any more alarming than a black Senator from Illinois with a questionable