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Published: Friday, May 18 2012 10:32 a.m. MDT

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RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

I would have expected Provo to hold that title.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

SLC is 'most religious' city, huh?

That's funny, considering Utah, is number one for online pornography.....

‘Utah No. 1 in online porn subscriptions, report says’ – By Elaine Jarvik – 03/03/09 – DSNews

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‘That's the conclusion of a Harvard economics professor who tracked subscriptions to online porn sites. Utah ranks No. 1 in subscriptions, according to Benjamin Edelman, who reported his findings in the article "Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?," published in the most recent edition of the Journal of Economic Perspectives.’

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Ranchhand
There may be size limits as to what cities were considered. Provo perhaps wasn't in the list of cities studied.

pmccombs
Orem, UT

@Pagan,

Due to our various bad habits, perhaps we have a much greater need for religion than our friends in Portland.

Someone once said they that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Unless, of course, there is some ironic sort of causal link between our submission to certain religious beliefs or practices and our need for online pornography. That may be the case, but at this point it is only possible to speculate and hypothesize about it.

Buzzards
LEHI, UT

The whole "Utah #1 in porno" article turned out to be a farce. It used data from one company, and onle sampled selected zip codes. Utah's were lower to near the average except for two. One was a very rural zip in central Utah that included a mining town with very few active LDS, and the other was right next to the U of U-students and also not a lot of Mormons up in that neigborhood. But it made for a nice, scandalous headline.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

Pagan's alive! I've been wondering where you've been lately. Despite our disagreements, it's good to see that your still kickin'.

Anyway, just because someone uses porn doesn't mean they aren't religious. Even more... just because someone uses porn does not mean they don't believe it is wrong. How many members of the LDS Church in Utah have viewed porn? It's not a low number. That doesn't mean members of the church are jumping for joy about it either. In General Conference we often hear messages about how dangerous it is and how bishops are there to help, etc. Bishops wouldn't be there to help if there wasn't a need to be helped. Pretty simple.

Technically, I'd say that high porn viewership here means that we are the most in need for help. That isn't a bad thing. If anything it's sad and it should motivate those in a position to help... to help.

Oh, and that's not even considering the point that every time you refer to the study, I remind you of the followup DN article which adequately explained Utah's numbers.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

RanchHand,

I agree- I'd expect Provo well before SLC.

Counter Intelligence,

I think we should welcome Pagan back full heartedly, instead of wish him away. I'm the last person to welcome people giving comments critical of the LDS Church, the Deseret News, or certain conservative opinions- but my not welcoming such comments is not not welcoming the person giving the comment. You probably meant it more in humor. It is funny. But even as much as Pagan and I can disagree, I still felt a welcome should be said here so I offer it.

Welcome back pagan! lol Can we expect this as back back? no? Hopefully you weren't so stressed to leave and hopefully I didn't further that stress... if it was stress. lol

Sometimes I wish there was a DN forum, with ongoing discussions instead of 200 word limits... I'm sure the moderators couldn't handle that, but if we had one I'd open a "welcome back pagan" sub-thread. Maybe I should start my own unofficial DN forum... maybe not. lol

This is probably my most random, non-article related comment ever... hopefully it will still get published.

Article-Reader
Spanish Fork, UT

For those that were thinking it should have been Provo, please re-read the article. Of cities with an MSA of over 1,000,000 people, Salt Lake City was surveyed as the "Most Religious City". Provo's MSA is only about 550,000 people right now.

DonP
Sainte Genevieve, MO

Hey Pagan: Here's something you may not have understood. Salt Lake City is a city and Utah is a state. Statistics for a state don't translate into the same breakdown for each city within a state.

Semper Fi
Bakersfield, CA

We all know that religiously active people (from non-terrorist religions) are generally kinder and more charitable than the secular humanist, communist, fascist, pagans of the world...

The question I have for my LDS family, is why Utah has been in the top 3 states since the early 1980's for adult and teen suicides; and in the top 2 for the largest population to get scammed by financial schemers and Ponzi artists, etc.?

My dad always felt that Mormons are too trusting, which is true. But I'd like to have more data on the origin of the scammers. Are they from out of state, or non-LDS predominantly? I'm hoping so.

We can forgive the trusting and the elderly. But the other statistic is the one that should have been addressed aggressively by church leaders, in my opinion. The statistics have not changed in over 20 years. The only corollary I have seen, is the high suicide rate in the Chinese and Japanese countries where over-achieving is a lifestyle. I would want to know why a predominantly religious state hasn't found a solution for those facts in this long.

Capella
Bakersfield, CA

Now give us the statistics for crime, suicide and success in each city. That should tell us a little more about how the "religion" is affecting lives and progress.

The Taliban has more dedicated members than most churches. Al Qaeda has achieved many things on their list of goals. Visit any American prison and find out which religion is garnering the most new converts: It isn't any Christian one. It is Islam and the Nation of Islam.

Context and perspective would be an interesting follow-up to these polls. Otherwise, their meaning falls flat.

Capella
Bakersfield, CA

May I add that I love visiting SLC and find it a refreshing, clean, energetic city. But that could be because I only visit the "nice" areas. I really wouldn't know if there are even slums or poor areas of Salt Lake.

Since my BYU days in the 70's, I only have positive memories of all things-Utah. So even the suicide and scam stats are surprising to me. But then, how many of us visit the slums and poor areas of our own cities? We take teens to Mexico on spring break to do Christian ministry, and they are exposed to much poverty. But in my own town, you can drive for 20 minutes and find parts of run-down Bakersfield that have tiendas (stores) on every corner and Spanish-only inside.

This poll has made me ask some serious questions about titles and what they really mean. Mecca is more religious than SLC, but that doesn't mean that I would move there...

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

Capella. There are no slums of ghetto in SLC. There are areas that would be considered low income and blighted. Mostly on the west side. I would consider inner city Ogden the most impoversihed area of the state.

roberto
Moses Lake, WA

Huh? I thought mormons weren't Christian. At least that is what I am told by all the haters that would rather believe their preacher than Investigate for them selves.

@ Pagan... spoken like a true pagan. The study may or may not be true. Last I checked None of us are perfect. All of us have some things to change, or suffer the consequences.

Give Me A Break
Pullman, WA

Being the most religious is not synonymous with being the most righteous. I also believe "The nearer a person approaches the Lord, a greater power will be manifested by the adversary to prevent the accomplishment of His purposes”, and as a result, there will be much temptation placed in the path of religious persons. The anecdote is clear. Hold firm to the Iron Rod, daily study and ponder in the scriptures, weekly partake of the Sacrament, and always seek forgiveness. "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." May God bless.

Outlier
Vancouver, BC

Utah is actually 10th in suicides (16.1 per 100,000). Simply Google "suicide rates by state". The average in the U.S. was 12.0 per 100,000 so in terms of "deviation from the mean", it's not an extreme outlier. You should not draw too many conclusion from one year of data because they fluctuate and because for most states the rates are pretty close. You need to evaluate trends over time to determine how consistent they are and then dig into the actual cases. You may wonder by NY, NJ and DC have the lowest suicide rates while the following states are higher:
Montana
Alaska
Wyoming
Idaho
Nevada
Colorado
New Mexico
Oregon
Arizona

I wish statistics was a mandatory course for all students....

Outlier
Vancouver, BC

And as for the "porn" statistics, they were proven bogus, but like many things continue to linger.

Serenity
Manti, UT

When i read Pagan's comment about Salt Lake CIty, I was skeptical. Then I was proven correct by further comments;that his comment was false. Salt Lake is a beautiful city mainly because of Temple Square and everything around it. But it is a city, and like every big city, it has its underbelly. Salt Lake City is not perfect by any means, but it just may be a little better than some. Of course I don't believe censuses such as this too much because they cannot take everything into consideration. It is kind of nice to see Salt Lake on top though.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Semper Fi
"We all know that religiously active people (from non-terrorist religions) are generally kinder and more charitable than the secular humanist, communist, fascist, pagans of the world..."

That's false. The top three states in terms of having the least crime are New Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine. Those are incidentally the top states in terms of having the highest percentage of atheists. Of course if you look at the 50 states as a whole there's not really any religious correlation between religion/lack thereof and crime, which is sufficient to disprove your argument that religiously active people are kinder. Not to mention that the religious are more likely to oppose gov't programs to help the poor (with the exception of the Catholic church which is one that came out and say that the Ryan budget is immoral).

Lone Star Cougar
Plano, TX

But, as far as violent crimes goes, Utah is ranked 6th lowest in the nation which is quite good.

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