Senator Hatch is being torn at by the far right of this party and it's
unfair! He is a good man who is willing to compromise and reach across the aisle
to work with Democrats and create compromise! I remember a picture of he and
Teddy Kennedy both holding babies in a moment of bipartisan support for mothers.
We need a candidate who respects his president and his political opponents. Vote
If you cannot face your constituents and explain why you are a better choice
than your challenger, then perhaps it is time to step down. Voters
can be just as adamant, too.Honesty requires it!
It is obvious why Hatch doesn't want a TV debate. He's liable to
sputter and spit all over the mike. If Liljenquist wants a debate so much why
doesn't he offer to debate the Democratic mnominee, Scott Howell.
Liljenquist would reject that debate on the same grounds that Hatch is refusing
to debate Liljenquist. Phonies every one of them.
Some are saying that there have already been two debates, so why do we need
another. But those two debates happened before the convention and were in
front of the DELEGATES, so most Utah voters didn't have an opportunity to
view them. Also, those debates occurred when there were more than two
candidates. Now there are only two, and that makes it a very different
situation.Some are also saying that debates aren't needed,
because we already know the candidates' positions. But what we learn
about the candidates' positions is mostly what the candidates WANT us to
hear, from sound bites and slick mailers, unchallenged. Through live debates,
on the other hand, with the back-and-forth interaction, challenges, and
rebuttals, we end up with something a lot closer to the truth.We
also get a glimpse of how the candidates might perform in tense, stressful
situations, something that will happen a lot to elected officials. Debates
help the voters cast a better informed ballot, to the benefit of our country.
But apparently Sen. Hatch doesn't want the voters to be informed - he just
wants to retain power.
In 1976, when then new-comer Orrin Hatch ranted, raved and demanded that Frank
Moss give him a chance to debate, Senator Moss obliged because he felt the
electorate was entitled to an opportunity to see both candidates respond in a
setting which would in some small measure, be indicative of their skills as a
federal legislator. Now, 36 years later, Orrin Hatch forgets what fair play is
but more importantly, forgets that it is the people of the State of Utah --not
his presumed legacy or federal pension account-- which deserves to be served by
televised debates which will help us all to understand whether Orrin Hatch has
passed the point of being effective, or whether he has become the shallow,
self-aggrandizing ghost he now appears to be. Orrin, please overcome your
pride, and give us some debates! If you are still worth anything, it will show
in a series of debates. If not, then the electorate deserves to know that too.
What would you expect. Does anyone really think Mr. Hatch wants or care's
what the people of Utah want? If he was to go on T.V. then the people would be
able to see just how senile he is.
Eight debates?? P L E A S E. One OK, but eight? zzzzzz
I'm surprised at the alarm and outrage some people are expressing over
this. Incumbents not wanting to debate their challengers is a political tactic
that is as old as time. Add to that the facts that Hatch is not a good debater,
he doesn't want to remind people he's been in office since Gerald
Ford's presidency, and he's old as dirt, and you have additional
reasons the Hatch camp is resisting debates.
No matter who Utah sends to the Senate, the poor, minorities, and the other
victims of the economic violence of the U.S. will have no one who cares about
them. Both primary candidates follow Utah's philosophy of hurting people
when they are down. A conservative is a sick selfish sociopath (person who has
no remorse or conscious about doing things that hurt other people). Over 50%
the people in Utah meet the medical definition of sociopath, and that's a
Orrin Hatch has duties to attend to in Washington as our Senator. He already
took a long break and missed votes to campaign and debate in Utah prior to the
convention. If the source of your careful outrage is really on behalf of voters
you would be driving people toward the debate footage already available. If you
are seeking to stir up controversy for ratings then you would be writing
articles demanding the next debate be hosted by you.I am going to
actually suggest that he find someone aside from KSL/Deseret News to moderate
the third debate. 36 years ago media was different. Now with the internet and
cable news we can all find out about every single vote ever cast by Senator
Hatch with all the nuance you could ever hope for. Things change.
There have already been two debates between Dan and Senator Hatch. Sure it would
be good for your ratings and for Dan Liljenquists campaign to have a prime time
debate, but being a Senator isn't about media ratings increasing your
opponents name recognition.There have already been 2 debates. A
third is scheduled in June. Will a fourth really matter? If your only goal, as
you state, is to allow Utah voters to see the candidates, then why not just link
to the debate you already have? Its right here: http://tiny.cc/ri0gewJim Matheson refuses to debate his opponents, many are upset. Yet I see none
of the venom for Jim we see you spit at Orrin Hatch over his alleged affront. Is
he less deserving the publics scrutiny because his name wont pull ratings like
Orrins? Yet Orrin, who has already debated not once but twice, gets lambasted
for not agreeing to a fourth debate on channels you control the revenue for?
I agree with the comments from "sjgf" (Unique Screen Name:)Some people commend Hatch for ignoring Liljenquist - and it may be smart
campaigning, but I don't like it. I am a registered Republican. I WILL be
voting in the primary. And I would like to see a debate. I personally think
Hatch is acting like a coward. Let's schedule the debates. Hold the
debates. If Hatch fails to show - free air time for Liljenquist and anyone that
would like to ask him questions. Putting all the anger and rhetoric aside about
experience vs. youth vs. lifelong politician vs. whatever - I would like to see
the two men most likely to represent me debate the issues. And I still say
Hatch looks more like a coward than a master strategist to me.
Hatch knows he would lose in multiple debates. I still say we clean house of
every single Representative and 1/2 of the Senate until we get a congress that
functions and is not caught up in self preservation.
@Cats:"Debates aren't an indication of anything except who
is the best debater."Maybe I don't really know what a
"Debate" is, but I'm not sure that the political "Debates"
we see are really debates. If they were, I might agree with your comment.I see them as chances for the moderator to ask questions that should
highlight the differences in the policies of the candidates, and chances for
them to point out things about each other in a way that provide a chance for
explanation to the voters on both sides.We need this as voters,
rather than just the few sound bites we get in advertizing literature from the
candidates.Here's an example, as best as I can remember from a
prior debate:Medicare Part D is a wonderful benefit to seniors. The
question is whether the Federal government should provide it, or whether it is
outside the boundaries of what government should provide.I believe
that one of these candidates staunchly believes that it is something the
government should provide, and the other candidate staunchly believes that it is
not. Debates bring out these differences to help you decide who should represent
Senator Hatch IS A BIG SPENDER! WASHINGTON DC INSIDER! He Failed us on Nuclear
Testing, Failed us on the Budget and Failed us so many times over the debt! He
has been around for nearly all the debt! He needs to go! He left our military
hanging and abandoned principles of being Conservative!
ldsliberalAre you looking over my shoulder as i cast my ballot? can
you read my mind? how do you know I will vote for hatch? The fact is you
don't. Quit living in a fantasy world. I have never voted for hatch and I
never will. A vote for hatch is a vote for the tyranny that is currently in the
Hatch is chicken. H eis afraid he will lose. He knows he will be exposes for the
anti-constitutional policies he endorses if he debates anybody.
The re-election rate of an incumbent politician for congress or senate is about
95%, though some estimates have it higher.Do you really think that
95% of politicians deserve to be representing the people?Could it be
that Utah has fallen into this trap of over-valuing "experience" and not
taking a serious look at the issues?The Founding Fathers believed
that an informed electorate would do a sufficient job in ousting ineffective
politicians. With this train of thought they did not create term limits for
senators and congressmen.Unfortunately, with Hatch being the prime
example, the people are blind to what horrendous things that the politicians do
and believe their "experience" and tenure more than make up for their
blantant errors and atrocities.Utah, wake up! Go do some research on
Hatch! Vote this career politician out, who has voted for all of the debt we now
groan under, plus many, many other things!
@ ATDid you see the debate between Liljenquist and Hatch before the
GOP primary? Hatch held his own quite easily. I don't think your
assertion that Hatch would get creamed is correct based on the outcome of the
@RiflemanSalt Lake City, UtahActually, you're looking at
this backwards...The candidate who is in jeopardy and most vulnerable has
nothing to gain and everything to lose by debating. A candidate who has
betrayed the public trust and cannot justify his actions in doing so will never
debate a challenger. Liljenquist's views and values most closely mirror
the views and values of the majority of Utah voters...Hatch's own words and
positions no longer do. A debate would make that crystal clear and THAT is why
Hatch will not debate before a large TV audience. If Hatch was such a shoe-in as
you indicate, he would be demanding the debate be on TV. In fact, there would be
no need for a debate because Hatch would have dominated and had no challenger in
the Primary. Don't be surprised if Hatch is Benson's new fishing buddy
after the Utah primary.
I have generally been a Hatch supporter and have been very skeptical of outside
organization "Freedom works" fighting against him. However, a series of
debates is essential for the public to know who is the best candidate and who
we should vote for. Hatch's refusal to debate is definitely making me lean
toward his opponent. This shouldn't be about who has the bigger war chest
or who is ahead or behind in the polls; it should be about an informed
electorate. I completely agree with the comment above that the media should
schedule eight prime-time debates and if Hatch refuses to show up then give the
time to his opponent to answer questions and put forth his ideas.
If Hatch doesn't want to attend under any conditions, have Dan on. I
don't think you let one candidate decide how newspaper and television cover
This issue is not about whether Senator Hatch is ahead or whether Dan
Liljenquist will gain points by debating Mr. Hatch. This issue is about the
fact that Senator Hatch OWES the people of Utah the chance to see him at work,
to see him fielding real questions, to see him in action as their Senator.He has not done too well in the interviews that I've heard on the
Doug Wright show on KSL Radio. He could not stay on topic. He could not follow
the subject. He wandered. He wavered. He stammered. He stuttered. He was
anything but competent. I stammer. I stutter. I sometimes have to be reminded
what we're talking about. That's part of my life. I suspect that
that is also part of Senator Hatch's life.Whether that is part
of his life or whether it isn't, he owes it to us to stand and deliver
whatever he has to deliver. A man confident in his own abilities would have no
qualms about debating anyone at any time on any subject relating to the duties
of a Senator.Hatch is afraid of being seen as he is.
I want Senator Hatch to win...Only so I can LOL as nearly 2 Million
Utahans slamming Hatch will eat Crow, and Humble Pie....and wash their
hands night after night after re-electing him the 78 year old for a 7th time
straight time.Proving my point [and Senator Hatches] -- that
most Utahans will never think for themselves -- and will only vote for the
"R", no matter who wears it.
I think it would be the height of fooliness if we didn't re-elect Hatch to
the Senate. If we can get a majority in the Senate, he will be the head of the
Finance Committee. One of the most powerful positions in Washington. I believe
he is a good man and will do his best to stop and over spenping in D.C. so our
country can try to get us out of debt. If Liljenquist gets into the Senate he
would not have much influence. Just look at the committees Mike Lee is on. It is
not impressive. Washington uses senority in committees. I know most people
don't like this, but I don't see anyway Washington is going to change
in the near future, if ever. Go Senator Hatch!
Pack your bags Senator Hatch, the people of Utah are ready to send you home. Not
back to Washington. Tick-Tock...Tick-Tock...Tick-Tock......
Of course debates help the voter determine who is the better candidate. Debates
force the candidates to publicy state their opinions devoid of the controlled
message that a commercial paid by Washington based special interest money
provides. In addition, debates happen frequently behind closed doors in
Congress. A public debate gives the voter some insight as to how well the
Candidate will handle themselves when the pressure is on.To say that
a debate plays no part in helping the voter determine who the better Senator
will be is just plain crazy and I am shocked that anyone could honestly have an
opinion along those lines.
Sen. Hatch should debate. I guess he thinks he's "safe" to avoid
a debate. But it's very possible that his strategy will backfire and cost
him the election, due to voters who are becoming increasingly annoyed at his
refusal to debate. Come on, Sen. Hatch, I thought you believed in
accountability in government. Stand up and debate!
Senator Hatch and Congressman Bishop have too many ties with the lobbyist that
are destroying our state, country, and the world. I want to see people in
office, who cannot be bought, that will research the issues, not sign off on
laws written by the lobbyist that harm the people, and will fight to restore our
country. I want someone who will bring these bankster theieves that are
stealing from the entire world to justice. We do not owe this money, and we
need people who will NOT allow any more ponzie schemes, and that will go after
these crooks. If we do not start getting people into office who do not cater to
these lobbyist, we will lose all freedoms, and it is happening fast. I have
noticed that most people do not even understand politics, and I was one of them
until a couple of years ago. People are voting, and they do not even have a
clue of what and who they are voting for, their record, who finances their
campaign, bills they cosponsored written by the globalist, etc. People better
start learning real fast, because our country is in real trouble.
Hatch doesn't want to debate because he has no ideas to put forth. His
only campaign slogan has been that IF the Republicans get the majority in the
Senate, he would head the Senate Finance Committee. Well, if the Democrats keep
their majority, then his one and only reason to be re-elected is non-existent.
It's time to get someone with new ideas and someone who will be accountable
to their constituents. I like the idea of the Deseret News and KSL
scheduling the debates and holding them, regardless of who shows up. If Hatch
is "too busy" for the people of Utah, then he is not qualified to
represent the people of Utah.
Debates aren't an indication of anything except who is the best debater.
They don't show who would be the best Senator. That's just it plain
It's sad to see our process has become so cynical that we think in terms of
how debates can harm or help candidates rather than the voters.When
Hatch last had a primary race he called for 8 debates all over the state, from
Monticello to Vernal to Logan. But apparently 36 years in Washington DC changes
Too busy for the people of Utah? Debates ONLY benefit the challenger, . . .
huh? I believe an informed electorate is the goal for a democratic society.
How are the people to make an informed choice without seeing and hearing from
the candidates? Of course, if you are NOT proud of your record, if you think
exposure might further erode your chances for victory, and you've nothing
new to share, fine. The message here folks is, "just re-elect me, I'm
too busy earning that $175,000.00 annual salary I get to be bothered with
constituents!" I'm outraged! How does a US Senator neglect the people
who put him in office in the first place? Yes, there will be consequences to
Hatch's defiance. Hatch has placed the "political noose" over his
head. I liken this to a job interview. If you have two applicants and ONE is
willing to interview and the other in NOT, who do you give the job to? NOT the
ONE in seclusion! Say ALL you want, you HATCH supporters, about what a super
job he has done for Utah in the past. It's TIME to play ball, where's
Why should Orrin Hatch give any credibility to Liljenquist by debating him on
TV. It was a group of extremists at the convention that forced a primary and
they constitute a small percentage of the population of Utah, thank goodness. If
Liljenquist was a credible candidate in the first place, there would be a
debate. Liljenquist has nothing to offer the state and does not deserve to be
placed as a senator. He is no Mike Lee.
Great, Good, or Bad... Bottom Line... 42 Years is Too Long.
I hope hatch doesn't waste his time with Liljenquist. Hatch needs to return
to Washington and Liljenquist needs to just plain retire. When Liljenquist runs
it's anybody but Liljenquist to include Super Dave over Liljenquist.
He's bad bad bad for Utah. Did I tell you he is bad for Utah. Mike Lee
needs to join him and retire.
Debates don't do anything for anyone. Just look at all the presidential
debates with all of the Republican candidates. I've never seen anything
more boring. All the candidates essentially said the same thing. That is what
would happen with Hatch and Liljenquist. You'd hear the same thing from
both of them. Their positions would be in near total agreement. The only thing
that could be debated, and it's a non-issue with me is Hatch's
longevity. Other than that, debates are pointless. They provide no new
information, just the potential for a gotcha moment.
The Doug Wright show? That's a nice, neutral, unbiased platform that the
majority of Utahns will be able to listen to - if they have the radio on... at
work or running errands, in the middle of their day. Maybe Representative
Chaffetz or Senator Lee could moderate - since Doug is such a big fan of theirs.
I'm sure they'd work well together.You would think, being
so proud of his record, Sen. Hatch would welcome the opportunity to place his
senatorial service history before Utahns, look them in the eye and say,
"Please place your trust in me just one more time." Just reminding
people of his votes in favor of TARP*, SCHIP, the debt ceiling increases,
Kennedy, Breyer, Ginsburg, Sunstein, Bernanke, Geitner, Holder - I'm sure
it wouldn't be a tough sell.Time will tell how well he makes
his case to Utahns.*As I understand the procedures, he voted for
TARP#1 and didn't vote to stop TARP#2 (that would be GM, Chrysler, Fannie
and Freddie) by voting "present" thus extending a "courtesy
vote" to the Democrats.
It certainly is common practice for the incumbent not to debate. Doesn't make sense, except ethically. I don't believe
Deseret News allows links to be published in the comments page (for good
reason), but they should, themselves, at least publish the address to the debate
that happened earlier. It is on YouTube. Just search for Hatch Liljenquist
debate. Senator Hatch doesn't do very well in this debate. He seems to have
lost his edge.Doesn't it seem odd that since there are only 100
people in the entire nation who are U.S. senators, that it should be someone who
can hold their own in a debate, incumbent or not?
Dan Liljenquist should debate a paper cut out of Orrin Hatch using his own
congressional record. I see Orrin going down just like Richard Lugar. The people
of Utah deserve to have an honest debate!
Hatch's record is so bad, he'd get creamed. The more he can keep
voters in the dark about what he's been doing, the better.
One would think that a great orator like Hatch who has been in the senate for
decades would have no problem in a debate.Hatch has all that background
information and all those years persuading fellow congressmen. A debate would
be easy for him.Besides, we'd all love to hear what he has to say.Doesn't he realize we are all tired of politicians who hide from the
voters when it suits them?
Clearly, Hatch believes he is leading in the polls. You only have to debate
when you're behind. There's no reason for him to give liljenquist a
free forum to attack him. He's forcing Liljenquist to pay for his own
media. He's not going to give it to him for free. Hatch
isn't hiding anything. He's just using smart campaign strategy.
So Dan is articulate? Is that why he wants to debate Hatch? So is Obama.
Look past the glitter and see that youth and inexperience is just about
worthless in Washington DC. Why should Hatch be required to have a TV debate?
There's nothing in the Constitution or party platform that requires it.
Dan is just lucky Orrin didn't hit the 60% at the convention. If you let
this issue decide your vote then your logic is shallow indeed, in my view. Just
remember that Dan L. was in the party in power that decided to scuttle the
public's right to know with the passage of HB 477, slamming the door on
GRAMMA. His willingness to do that says more than a refusal to debate on TV by
Sen. Hatch.......way more!
Please, Deseret News and KSL, hold 8 debates!Schedule them.Invite both candidates.If only one has the sense to show up, then
let the moderator, audience, and the one brave candidate have a televised
"debate" so we can at least learn about that one candidate! Even if one
of the candidates initially declines, if you move forward with the debate plan,
he may decide at the last minute that it is in his best interest to come out of
hiding.It is a service to all the Republican voters of Utah to have
these debates, and a disservice for a candidate to run from them and hide with
his head in the sand.
At least Linjenquist will not have the opportunity to tell Hatch the same things
Hatch told Frank Moss 36 years ago. Dang, I was looking forward to that.
As a former undecided voter this has turned me to Dan. It seems as though Hatch
is hiding something and he doesn't want Utahns to know what it is. How can
we expect him to fight the biggest battles of our lifetime against Liberals in
Washington if he can't he debate Dan Liljenquist and articulately outline
his vision for another 6-years. Bad move by Hatch and he just lost the 4 votes
in my house because of it.
The people of Utah deserve a TV debate!
This is a very hypocritical move by Hatch. He was the one who called for eight
debates against his last primary opponent 36 years ago. He even criticized Obama
for not debating McCain enough in '08. If he can't answer questions
about his record to Utah voters he shouldn't be our senator.
The candidate who is behind has everything to gain and nothing to lose in
calling for TV debates. Hatch sees no need to give Mr. Liljenquist free air
time and I don't blame him. And yes, the voters will send Hatch back to
Washington this coming November.