Anyone who issists on voting for or against another person based on religion, by
a strict interpertation of the constitution ought not be allowed to vote.The constitution says that holders of federal office shall not be
subject to any religious test.
Its crossed my mind more than once that President Obama is tired of the burdens
of being president, but that he feels obligated to run again, and he is
deliberately mistepping in order to not get re-elected again.
If America is going to be a "light on the hill" with regards to
religious tolerance, then who better than a Mormon to carry that torch for an
evangelical base? This truly says tolerance. But can they put their vote towards
one they wish they did not have to tolerate? This will be a telling election.
As I stated, the evangelical problem with Mitt is an evangelical problem. It is
our problem with his religious doctrines, not his "values and
ethics".That Mormons don't agree with us is not the issue.
It is what it is. You have another Jesus, another gospel and you will not or
cannot understand where Joseph left Biblical teachings. So we worship in
separate churches. Stop equating our religious riffs with some contrived
battle.Joseph Smith didn't like any of the existing churches in
1830. That's his choice. He organized an awesome group of hard-working
frontier people, who pushed the boundaries into rugged country and carved out an
awesome empire. Many civilizations in past history have created captivating
civilizations and progressive achievements. That they weren't all
Christian is no disgrace. But to equate a successful human enterprise with
"Biblical truth" is nonsense.So, many of us don't care
if Romney walks on water or produces the Gold Plates. The Book of Mormon might
be an accurate record of people living in the Americas. The issue is what they
believed and taught, not that they existed and taught something similar.Religious disagreements are not political.
For all here who sincerely asked why (Biblical) evangelical churches reject
Mormonism as Biblical, you can blame the DN site monitors for not allowing a
single reply to get posted. I listed 8 LDS doctrines that are
diametrically opposed to centuries of OT declarations on the nature of its
eternal God and His utter uniqueness in all the Cosmos, (Isaiah 40-46). Jews
still believe in that God to this day.I listed 6 LDS teachings that
"tweak" NT doctrines so much that they render LDS doctrines on heaven,
salvation, justification, exaltation and post-salvation obedience as
"another gospel".And each time that I or other friends in
our community try to give our credentials so you will know that we are not just
giving a lay-opinion, our posts are rejected..Since the DN wants
these sites to remain LDS-dominated, so be it. But just because prevailing LDS
opinions remain unanswered here, it should not be misconstrued that we have no
polite explanation or Biblical refutation to share.Our advice- go
visit and study at legitimate evangelical churches. None of them accept
polytheism or heavenly plural marriage as Biblical. No Bible-only church ever
has. Thank you.
@: Mountanman,I am not trying to argue with you on the nature of God. Let us make man in ‘Our Image’ image and likeness
…”(Genesis 1:26)“So God created man in His
“OWN(spiritual) Image” male and female…(Genesis 1:27) If there
were more than one God it would read in “their image.” The Trinity
in the O.T. The Trinity in nature: The Sun we see high in the sky,
and we see the Sun through its light. In the same way, as we behold the Father
through the Son, and heat is something we feel, and the Holy Spirit is the
Comforter, he is the presence we feel that supports us and gives us consolations
and gifts.Therefore the one Sun shows itself as triune, sunlight and heat
yet one substance or essence, as its splendid in its unity and oneness. How much
more the Creator of the sun is splendid and One in his unity and oneness in his
Triune being.The "Pale" of Christianity, Believes in One
God in three divine persons, great is the mystery of this unity
@ sharonna. Yet at Jesus’ baptism and at the transfiguration everyone
there heard the Father say, “this is my beloved son.” Did Jesus pray
to himself, “Our (My) father in heaven”? Did he send himself?
“My Father sent me” and I do my Father’s will”? When
Jesus announced he would ascend to the Father, was he saying he was ascending
to himself? The Father and the Son cannot be the same person even though they
are one in purpose, like Jesus admonished his disciples to be one (united).
When Stephan was being stoned he saw a vision and saw the Father standing on the
right hand of Jesus, how could that be? My studies of the Scriptures convince me
that God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are three
separate glorified beings untied in purpose. Jesus prayed, “This is life
eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou
has sent”! That prayer alone convinces me! I am not trying to argue with
you, but trying to point out how clearly the scriptures teach about the nature
Re: Mountanman, I am confused by all the different Christian denominations.LDS theology believes in three separate and distinct members of the
Godhead.Elder Bruce R. McConkie: ”…To us ,speaking in
the proper finite sense, these three are the only Gods we worship.
The "Pale" of Christianity(Catholic, Protestant) does not worship
Gods(polytheism)but God(monotheism). The Athanasian Creed ,Whosoever will
be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic
(universal) faith; Which faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled,
without doubt he shall perish everlastingly And the catholic (universal) faith
is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither
confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance."one in
substance”. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person(substance, 5287).Hebrews 1:3“…baptizing in the Name(not names)of Father ,and of the Son, and
of the Holy Ghost.(Mt 28:19)Three persons but one God,(Tri)same being or
essence(unity). Monotheism. Christians worship One God.Hear, O
Israel: The LORD(YHWH) our God(Elohim) is one LORD(YHWH)..(Deut 6:4)
@CapellaBYU would certainly welcome most any religious leader as a
commencement speaker. We love all those who love and practice truth and virtue
no matter where they find it. In this regard, we are much more accepting of
diversity than the typical person. We feel it is important to share what we
believe the Lord has done in our day and age, but don't mistake this
missionary zeal for shunning all others. We have an extremely strong conviction
of the truthfulness of the Bible and of our need to be nourished by it in our
daily life. We love the Bible. It testifies of everything our faith stands
for, and is testified of in other sacred texts. With Paul, we declare that if
there is anything honest, true, virtuous, lovely, or of good report or
praiseworthy, we seek after these things, be they in whatever faith they are
Being anti-Mormon, anti-Catholic, or anti-semitic is not being Christian.
To say Evangelicals believe so and so about Mormons is as ignorant as to say
Mormons are not Bible Christians.Every Evangelical friend of mine,
(from living in New York and the West) has never questioned Mormons as Bible
Christians. The media shifts through the masses and display the out-liners to
put on the air and so forth. There may even be a majority of anti-Mormons in
certain communities but this is certainly not the case everywhere.Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson have built bridges between Mormons and
Evangelicals and there are many more. But the media isn't talking about
them.Even the Student Body President at Liberty University was
surprised by the questions from CNN and said he considered Mitt Romney as a
@ Capella. For some reason, no matter how many times it is pointed out,
evangelical Christians don't seem to want to accept the fact that members
of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ARE Biblical believing
Christians. Members of our faith thoroughly study the Old and New Testaments in
our Sunday School curriculum, study the Bible individually in private study,
quote from it, and live its teachings. Therefore, no evangelical Christian
should hesitate to vote for Mitt Romney based on his religious affiliation alone
since Mitt Romney is a Biblical believing Christian.
Any chance of getting a posthumous endorsement from Jerry Falwell?
Do they really have a choice? He's the Republican's choice...has to
be theirs! They'll really get warm on election day...that or they'll
@ Capella. I am confused by all the different Christian denominations who quote
the same Bible but interpret is so very differently and say if you don’t
interpret the Bible like me, then you are not a Christian. I have attended
meetings with Assembly of God and I can tell you they worship and believe very
different than the 7th day Adventists, or the Catholics, or the Methodists or
the Baptists or the Mormons. Who then are the REAL Christians who decides that?
Are “evangelicals” the only “real” Christians and if so,
who decides that? To me, is a mass of confusion!
Capella, "Would BYU invite Billy Graham to deliver their graduates'
advice?"I have little doubt that Rev Graham would be welcomed,
he would join Dick Cheney, Roger Rosenblatt and Jehan Sadat as recent BYU
Mitt a person with experience and terrific record of creating jobs vs BO is
still on job training has no clue what to do, zero leadership skill - I mean
there is no comparisonGo Mitt!
GoldieZ:We already have one. His name is Barack Obama.
Does being a "Christian" mean devoting oneself to precepts found in the
Nicene creed? If a person says they believe in Christ do we have to doubt that?
Every single person on the planet has a slightly different perception of what
Christ means to them. Do we have to divide ourselves and magnify the
Won't it be wonderful to have an honest, faithful, intelligent,hardworking,
true to his wife President? Go Mitt!
Anyone who has good morl values should be completely comfortable with Romney.q
They're pretty much stuck with him.
I am L.D.S and very comfortable with Romney.
Lisa, Lisa, Lisa. Evangelicals have no problem with Mormon politicians. We
share the same ethical values, fight the same social battles for morality and
Biblical principals, and love your awesome patriotism, education and family
emphasis, work ethic, charity and defense "of all that is good". We
vote for your politicians as often as you do for ours.Both sides
know theological divide is impassable, so let's keep the political issues
separate.The problem we have in our communities is that the majority
of non-LDS do not know what those differences are, because you use Biblical
terminology with LDS definitions. We just seek to clarify the definitions, and
keep the distinctions clear.We are on your side with the goal of
educating the public as to what Mormons believe. We pass out BoMs, hold
community panels with both sides participating, and seek to give our community
accurate options. When missionaries show up on our porches with Bibles in hand,
it is confusing. We know what all of your leaders have said about its veracity,
so this is seen as "baiting" the unawares. God's Word says to be
Bereans when it comes to "other gospels".And we will.
at One Old ManThen vote for Obama. I'm LDS and not at all comfortable
with Obama and let the spending go on. Maybe Mitt will change things
especially, the economy.
For some reason, the DN cannot seem to get this issue right, no matter how many
posts, phone calls and letters are sent clarifying the reasons for the
evangelical concerns about Mitt's religion. To be fair, the mainstream
media hasn't gotten it right either, nor Senator Lieberman, etc.Let me help clarify, as I am evangelical and sent letters and concerns to
Liberty and the DN.1. No major religious leader has ever said that
they have anything against Gov. Romney's fine character traits, family
life, and political prowess.2. Rev. Jeffress, Mike Huckabee and
other personalities maintained from Day 1 that they would support Romney, should
he garner the party nomination. Many expressed their personal opinions to their
congregants, that when given the opportunity, they felt Bible Christians should
vote for a Biblical believer. 3. The complaint at Liberty was
about a non-Biblical Christian giving the Commencement message. It had nothing
to do with Romney's inspiring message and advice. But any secular humanist
can encourage a crowd to perservere, be honest, etc. That speech would be great
on a regular day.4. Would BYU invite Billy Graham to deliver their
Old guy. Then I guess Obama is your guy.
I'm LDS and not at all comfortable with Romney.
"'What they've done is give him an issue that highlights his
strengths,' [Woodard] said."Or his weaknesses, depending on
your position on government regulation of marriage.