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Published: Wednesday, May 9 2012 11:00 a.m. MDT

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I can't believe I'm still having to literally spell this out.

As explained by ESPN's Ted Miller (capitalization added for emphasis):
"The Pac-12 Conference has seven bowl tie-ins.
#1 Bowl Championship Series. As of 2011, the winner of the Pac-12 Championship Game gains an automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, preferentially the Rose Bowl.
#2 The Alamo Bowl receives the second CHOICE of Pac-12 teams.
#3 The Holiday Bowl receives the third CHOICE of Pac-12 teams.
#4 The Sun Bowl receives the fourth CHOICE of Pac-12 teams.
#5 The Maaco Bowl receives the fifth CHOICE of Pac-12 teams
#6 The Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl receives the sixth CHOICE of Pac-12 teams.
#7 The New Mexico Bowl receives the seventh CHOICE of the Pac-12 teams."

This is the exact reason that Boise was selected by the Maaco Bowl, despite TCU actually winning the MWC championship. The Maaco Bowl committee determined, apparently based on national status and 2010's turnout, that Boise gave them better appeal than TCU.

This reminds me of the stubborn mule on Family Guy: "Nope, Kevin Bacon was not in Footloose!"

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA


ESPN just published an article on their college football website titled "Utah spring wrap", by Pac-12 blogger Kevin Gemmell. Kevin identified Utah's Pac-12 standing as "T 3rd South". That means we were "tied for 3rd-place in the Pac-12 South"; not "4th-place behind Arizona State due to jealous,frantic and emotional Indy-WACey-manufactured tie-breaker rules".

Case closed.


Like I said Duckhunter. What is with BYU fans being obsessive about Utah joining the Pac 12? Its funny reading some of the posts here. You and your buddies list a bunch of stats and details that nobody outside of the state of Utah cares about. Well unless you are an obsessive BYU fan.
And who cares about how many BYU players are in the hall of fame. What does that have to do with Utah being in the PAC 12 anyway?
And if you like independence that's fine.

Highland, UT

@naval vet

I love your "frantic and emotional" replies. I can get one from you every single time. And yes utah is the 8th place team from the pac12. The numbers don't lie.


deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA


yawn, who cares; teams that finish with LOSING conference records shouldn't even be bowl eligible


deductive reasoning: "yawn, who cares; teams that finish with LOSING conference records shouldn't even be bowl eligible"

It sure looked like someone cared enough to cling onto claiming fallacy as fact. If you subscribe to the make believe world of "seeding" football teams, then I suppose you're right. If you live a conscious life on Earth, however, you would understand the actual NCAA criteria for bowl selection.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA


It is clearly been I who had been the provocateur of YOUR frantic and emotional responses. I use FACTS, such as the Google search engine requirements to PROVE, beyond reproach, where the 2011 Utes stood in the final Pac-12 standings. And you provided...

...frantic emotion.

Now you're going to have to produce a Google keyword search engine requirement that validates ANY reputable college football publication that identifies Utah as the "8th place team". Because failure to do so would be a tacit admission to having offered up nothing but the frantic emotion of which you've been accused, and it'll be case closed, you lose.

So pretty much in other words, case closed. You lose.

Springville, UT

Never has a battle for 6th place meant so much to so few. Hilarious as usual.

Elmer Fudd
Sandy, Utah

@ sammyg

"Never has a battle for 6th place meant so much to so few. Hilarious as usual"

Never has playing for nothing meant so much to so few. Hilarious in deed!

Highland, UT

@naval vet

You sure are "frantic" and definately "emotional" to claim 6th place. LOL!

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