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Published: Wednesday, May 9 2012 11:04 a.m. MDT

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PAC man
Anaheim, CA

"Utah and Colorado, coming off disappointing debuts in the expanded conference, are still trying to find their way. And coaches Kyle Whittingham and Jon Embree will face even more pressure to prove the Utes and Buffaloes belong."

Whittingham even more so than Embree after that embarrassing meltdown against the Buffs at home.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

PAC man:

Utah's inaugural Pac-12 season concluded with a 6th-place finish, a Sun Bowl victory over Ga. Tech [which - alongside Oregon - represented only one of two postseason victories in the entire conference], and at 8-5, owned the Pac-12's 4th best overall record. We also represented - alongside USC - only one of two league members who didn't lose to any out-of-conference opponent. It's pretty clear that body of work demonstrated "we belong" to be numbered amidst the Pac-12; the CU loss notwithstanding.

On the OTHER hand, your comment suggests that perhaps you do NOT belong. In fact, it sounded rather quite WAC-ish. Shouldn't you be leaving comments under the handle "WAC man"?

And FWIW: I just read yesterday that the "College Football News" tabbed the 2012 Utes as the nation's #13 team in their preseason poll. That was 3rd-best in the Pac-12 behind #3 Oregon and #6 USC. So it looks like the "CFN" thinks the Utes belong as well.

Have fun down there in the WAC!

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

You tell 'em Naval!

Go Utes!!

Wallbanger
Spanish Fork, UT

Naval

"On the OTHER hand, your comment suggests that perhaps you do NOT belong. In fact, it sounded rather quite WAC-ish. Shouldn't you be leaving comments under the handle "WAC man"?"

That was too funny...great post!

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Naval Vet

Correction: Utah finished EIGHTH in the PAC, with a near loss in OT to WSU(4-8), a humiliating loss to 10-loss Colorado, at home, and a near loss to #56 Georgia Tech in the "prestigious" Sun Bowl, which hardly any Utah fans actually attended.

PAC 12 Final Standings 2011
1. Oregon (8-1) - beat Stanford
2. Stanford (8-1) - lost to Oregon
3. USC (7-2)
4. UCLA (5-4)
5. Washington (5-4)
6. California (4-5) - beat ASU and Utah
7. ASU (4-5) - beat Utah

8. Utah (4-5) - lost to ASU and California

9. OSU (3-6)
10. WSU (2-7) - beat Colorado
11. Colorado (2-7) - lost to WSU
12. Arizona (2-7) - lost to Colorado

It's LAUGHABLE how Utah fans beat their chests about PRE-SEASON polls, but are soooo dismissive of FINAL polls.

Top 25 during the Bronco/Kyle era
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

Top 15 during the Bronco/Kyle era
Bronco 3
Kyle 1

btw, remind how Utah did the last time the Utes played a WAC team.

*crickets*

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Uteanymous:

"Correction: Utah finished EIGHTH in the PAC..."

Nope. I had it right the 1st time. We finished 6th. When 7 Pac-12 teams finish with a better conference W/L record, THEN we'll have an 8th place finish. When only 5 do so -- as was the case last season -- we're 6th! Jealous, frantic and emotional justifications to the contrary won't change that. How sad for you and your fellow cougar fans.

And for the record...

(1) A "near loss" to WSU means....we WON!
(2) Enough with the CU loss; WE BEAT YOU! 54-10. On your Home field, and in front of a nat'l audience. So everybody knows it. Clinging to the Utah-CU game only makes you guys look even MORE desperate.
(3) There were PLENTY of Ute fans at the Sun Bowl. I ought to know; I was there. You weren't. Try not to confuse YOUR bowl game -- where hardly any fans showed up -- with OURS.
(4) 2010 BSU was a Top-10 team. They were SUPPOSED to win that game. And BSU isn't even in the WAC anymore. YOU are.
(5) ZERO Top-5 finishes for Bronco.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

navel vet

You played FIVE home games, didn't play Oregon or Stanford, USC was ineligible, and every other team in the PAC 12 South finished with a losing record, yet you still couldn't win your pathetically weak divisions because you couldn't beat a 10-loss team AT HOME.

You finished EIGHTH!

Live with it!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

SportsFan:

At 4-5, we finished THIRD in the Pac-12 South [only 2 teams had a better division record], and SIXTH [only 5 teams had a better conference record] overall. I already told you. Jealous, frantic and emotional justifications to the contrary won't change that.

As for not playing Oregon or Stanford....so what? The Pac-12 only plays 9 conference games. All games count as equal. We DID have to play USC -- at the Coliseum no less -- and despite losing, earned the respect of the Trojan crowd. Do you know who ELSE didn't play Oregon or Stanford....or even USC?

The Indy-WACers.

Good thing too. Otherwise, your 10-3 record would have been 7-6 due to the dearth of WACey opponents on your schedule.

Has the Big 12 called yet? No? Too bad! Mid-majors forever. "Live with it!"

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Goll. If only we didn't loose 54-10 we could criticize.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@naval vet

Your insecurity is amusing. LOL!

No Conference Will Take Us
SEATTLE, WA

No Ducky.
Insecurity is standing on the sidelines and not joining a major conference.
Insecurity is playing bottom feeders and WAC teams to pad your schedule.

That is amusing. LOL!

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

Insecurity is being a bottom feeder in ANY conference, but pretending that meer association with more prestigious programs somehow makes U special.

btw, for any Ute fan trying to claim that the Utes finished sixth in the final PAC 12 standings, the math is really not that hard to figure out.

Oregon and Stanford both finished 8-1 in the conference, but Oregon finished FIRST in the PAC 12 North because the Ducks BEAT the Cardinal. Does ANYBODY dispute that the tie-breaker was the head-to-head results?

Utah, California and Washington all finished 4-5 in the conference, but California finished SIXTH because the Bears beat the Huskies and the Utes, Washington finished SEVENTH because the Huskies beat the Utes, and the Utes finished EIGHTH because the Utes lost to BOTH the Bears and the Huskies.

EVERYONE knows that this would have been the seeding if the same results had been used for seeding the PAC 12 basketball tournament, so why try claiming that football standings are any different?

btw,

BYU #25 Coaches and #26 AP is still lightyears ahead of getting ZERO votes in the Final Polls.

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

no conference

For teams padding their schedule with weak opponents, look no further than than Utes replacing Boise State with Montana State.

navel vet

Don't kid yourself.

Even with Utah's schedule, BYU would have still finished 10-3. Utah didn't beat a single team ranked higher than BYU, but the Utes lost to several teams ranked lower than the Cougars.

The BYU-Utah game was simply one of those games where everything that could go wrong, did go wrong for the Cougars, and visa versa for Utah.

Switch the turnover margin in BYU's favor, and the Cougars would have won going away. Utah losing at home to Colorado(3-10) and barely beating WSU(4-8) on OT proves that the Utes weren't nearly as dominant as they pretend to be and they would have had to have gotten very lucky to beat BYU if the game had been played in late November instead of early September.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA
Insecurity is being a bottom feeder in ANY conference, but pretending that meer association with more prestigious programs somehow makes U special.

_________

Your statement makes no sense whatsoever. On the other hand at least Utah has an association with a major conference. What does BYU have? Nothing bro.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

antiBCS, a) there is no conference tournament for football, so officially there is no "seeding" of tied teams. b) there is no AP Top 26 poll.

TSA, the only thing that both the Utah-BYU and Utah-CU games proved is that the better-prepared team will usually win. And how can you reference a game Utah won (WSU) as a discredit, while ignoring 3 near-miracle wins against teams arguably on the same level as WSU (Miss, USU, USF) that BYU had? Your argument =/= logic.

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

StGtoSLC

Spin it anyway that helps you sleep at night, but anybody with any brains can figure out that three teams finish with the same record, the team that LOST to other two teams finishes behind them in the standings.

Oregon won the PAC 12 North because the Duck and Cardinal finished with the same conference record, but Oregon beat Stanford head-to-head. The same formula works for teams that finish with the same record farther down in the standings.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

"Spin it anyway that helps you sleep at night"

Ditto. Haha it honestly doesn't matter to me, the season was what it was, it's just hilarious to see people make up things that don't exist like the "AP Top 26 Poll" and "6th place tiebreaker scenarios." When you find in the Pac-12 rule book the ever-important 6th place tiebreaking criteria, please recite it to me!

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

No rule book needed, just common sense, although some people would rather bury their head in the sand, than accept reality.

That doesn't change the fact that Utah finished 8th in the PAC 12, the Cougars received the 26th most votes in the final AP poll, the Utes didn't receive a single vote in either poll, and BYU has nearly as many Top 25 finishes during Bronco's tenure at BYU, as Utah has in their entire history.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

TheSportsAuthority:

"For teams padding their schedule with weak opponents, look no further than than Utes replacing Boise State with Montana State."

What a frantic and emotional thing to say. Everybody knows that Utah did NOT replace BSU with MSU. BSU was an AWAY game. With 4 Pac-12 games AWAY, Utah had only 2 AWAY games left to fit on our schedule. Utah had to drop one team from among BSU, Pitt, and the Indy-WACers. BSU was the most logical choice since they didn't have the same history as the cougars, and Pitt was the only other BCS team on our OOC slate.

MSU was a replacement for Iowa State. The Cyclones were contracted to give the Utes a return game, but with the Big 12 moving to a 9-game schedule, as opposed to their traditional 8-game slate, they had to drop one of their OWN AWAY games. And they picked Utah. Utah needed a new HOME game, and had only 3-months to find one. So we signed Montana State.

But you KNEW that. You just didn't have any legitimate barbs to throw at the Utes, so you made one up. So sad.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Seeing a 4-5 team fanbase fighting for 6th place recognition is and always will be hilarious.

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