this law is just insulting to women, suggesting that they hadn't spent any
time thinking about the matter when this is probably at the forefront of their
mind since they found out they were pregnant. There's no purpose to this
other than to drag things out and make it more frustrating perhaps in the hope
that women will just give up (as opposed to methods that want to guilt women
like the forced ultrasound bills elsewhere). @mcbillay"Mark my words, this law will lead to more abortions. This 72-hour law
will just frustrate too many people that they will get one just to spite the
law."Speaking of things that are just plain insulting to
women... there is no reasonable circumstance where a woman is going to decide
"Well I'm pregnant and this legislature is annoying... I'll show
them by gettin an abortion".
This law actually might help stop a few women for making a "choice" that
will destroy their entire lives.
It's my understanding that Republicans, e.g. Utah legislators, continually
chant for less government, so why are they hell-bent on regulating very personal
decisions with State laws?
Re: mcbillay Salt Lake City, UT"Why don't we have a mandatory
72-hour law for every important decision in our lives?"I am in
favor of giving innocent viable unborn infants the same waiting period that we
give condemned killers on death row.If you had ever bought a home
you'd know that it takes a lot longer than 72-hours just to get the
mcbillarykilling a human being compared to closing on a house?gret
Planned Parenthood thinks the decision that a woman gets to employ is whether or
not and when to kill the innocent, unborn fetus. Funny, if another decision had
been made earlier by her, there wouldn't be the necessity of making the
latter choice. But that would involve personal responsibility for certain
behavior that planned Parenthood could care less about. Planned Un-Parenthood
should be their real name!Of course it takes two to get pregnant,
doesn't it? So why not involve the other party in he decision to abort?
The woman already decided to become pregnant. 72 hours is such a pitifully
short time to decide to terminate a pregnancy that has permanent consequences.
One can't just completely eliminate those consequences by spending a few
hours at a doctor's office, either.
A mcbillayGreat idea. Let's wait 72 hours before having that
casual sex and consider what would happen, say, were we to end up becoming
pregnant. I like your idea.
Why is abortion the only issue conservatives seem to care about? It's
decided Constitutional law. You lost. Get over it.
Saving an embryo is not saving a life, it is saving the living and giving the
living salvation from the economic distress that trouble society. Abortion is
just as necessary as shots for a sick child but parents can't afford to pay
the hundreds of dollars to buy. Abortions have their place and its the choice of
individuals not society or those who think they know what is best for society,
of unwanted clones entombed in a uterus. We allow doctors to
euthanize the elderly and sick so what is the difference? Does this law apply to
stop medical euthanization of elderly and incurable living people because they
can't pay the doctor or hospital? Life does have a price if you ask any
doctor or hospital.So humans and people do have the right to choose
who lives and who dies that is inalienable and ones own choice. Any threat to
life is a defensible right, whether its an embryo, doctor, police, foreign
national, pro-lifer, or home invader.This feel good law of the
pro-lifers really think they have pulled something over on society with this
ridiculous law. The clone they save is their destroyers.
Re: Schwa South Jordan, UT"Why is abortion the only issue
conservatives seem to care about? It's decided Constitutional law. You
lost. Get over it."Please remind us of that again this November
when the Democrats are asking us to vote for them.
I like this law. As much as some want to hope it's all the womas choice
whether she aborts or not, sadly, others, including the father, play a major
factor. Sometimes a woman can feel the pressure to abort, when she doesn't
want to or may chage her mind.I'm all for womans freedom, and I think
this gives women a little more freedom--some allowed thinking space, when she
has pressure from others. Whenever we fight for one right to choose, we lose a
litle for another. I know three frinds who had abortions and they were each
pressured by tthe babies father to get the abortion. Two wished they never
listened and had thebaby. If we are going to really be pro choice, we hve to be
open to the possibility that some women need the waiting time and space to
consider keeping the baby. We're not taking the choice of abortion away
here. We're allowing/giving appropiate time for appropriate decison.
Something I ,as a woman, appreciate.
Want to lower the number of abortions? Sex education and contraception are the
keys, yet conservatives don't seem to like preventative measures. History
of humans shows abstinence is a fantasy, even in religious cultures.
"History of humans shows abstinence is a fantasy, even in religious
cultures."Yes, humans have been pretty confused since the
beginning. That still doesn't change the fact that abstinence until
married is a good idea. Getting pregnant outside of marriage is the result of
faulty decision making to begin with. The unborn child pays the price, pretty
I like the 72 hour waiting period.Now if they just showed an ultrasound
(video) in high school health classes so people would understand that it really
is a baby it could do far more good.Such a law might already be on
the books in Utah but if it is I don't know about it.
Sounds like private funding needs to be raised to drive women to an adjoining
state if they don't want to wait the 72 hour wait period.
Really? People are kicking and crying and whining because... they have to think
about a decision about something so morally sensitive.The law
isn't pathetic, the fact that people would complain about it is.
Note that the mothers of all those arguing in favor of abortion on demand were
not in favor of it.
jill17'Do you not think that a woman has thought about whether
or not to have an abortion before going to the doctor? Do you think she is just
driving by the doc office and suddenly says to herself - "its time to go
have an abortion!"?During those 72 hours that she must wait, do
you think that the father of the fetus is not going to be talking to her even
more than he did before if he wants her to get an abortion? There is nothing
about those 72 hours that says that she will be left alone to think about this.
It has to already be a heartrending decision. Then she must wait 72 hours to
mill this about in her mind and listen to everyone again say their thoughts and
desires - including the father! Just 72 hours of torture for the unfortunate
woman.Why don't we close down all the abortion clinics? The
best way to do it is to make sure that every person (man or woman) is educated
so that there are no unintention pregnancies. That should be our goal.
I wonder what political stance aborted babies would have had if they
@freedom in danger do you see the sad irony in your sign in name?
You claim to be worried about freedom being in danger and at every turn you
advocate for the restriction of others rights.
@Esquire"Want to lower the number of abortions? Sex education
and contraception are the keys, yet conservatives don't seem to like
preventative measures. History of humans shows abstinence is a fantasy, even in
religious cultures."If the goal is to prevent pregnancy they
your method might work. That would be an acceptable position to those who regard
pregnancy as the problem.Religious people consider unwed pregnancy
to be a problem to be sure; however, they consider it to be a symptom of the
real problem: Sex outside of marriage.When I expressed my objections
to sex education and they way they taught it in the schools the sex ed teachers
always said; "If you don't think your kids are having sex you are
deluding yourself." The message: Sex is inevitable.From the
view point of those teachers premarital sex is inevitable. They almost certainly
did it. They could not resist the temptation. They don't think it is
possible.People like me who waited until marriage know that it is
possible to resist the temptation. We did it. We know it can be done.Both sides know, from experience, that their position is true.
This was a law made by males, I can tell.Every two years there
should be a day on which the good citizens of Utah can vote for or against
certain measures brought before the State Legislature. Those laws voted on in
the State Legislature that have their roots in core laws (marriage, life and
death, taxation, property rights, state citizenship, etc) should be ratified by
the people.Elected State representatives should not have the right
to make absolute any law that impinges on those five areas of citizens'
legal rights. They should only have rights to refer them to a State-wide
referendum.It may be eye-opening for some males to see what a
balanced male-female voting outcome would be in this instance.
72 hours? That's it? Wow. I was hoping for two weeks at least.
A member of my extended family, at the ripe old age of 18, became pregnant. She
was struggling with major self-esteem issues, money issues, drugs - she was a
basket case. Her boyfriend at the time was the kind of lowlife you'd want
to keep miles away from a child. The idea that she would take the pregnancy to
term would be horrifying to anyone who knew this young woman. So she, her mom,
and her mom's doctor had hugely dramatic conversation and they decided that
for a variety of compelling reasons, an abortion was the right thing to do.That was a few years ago. The girl is now in her early twenties and
getting her life sorted out. Still a long road, but progress is being made. Her
not spending nine months being pregnant and delivering a baby (who would almost
certainly have been alcohol and drug saturated at birth) was a smart
decision.If you don't like abortion then by all means
don't have one.Otherwise, stop acting like you know what's
best for women you don't even know.
I happen to fully agree with 1 Cor 6: 19-20 "ye are not your own...ye are
bought with a price". 72 hr waiting period is not outrageous. Agency
notwithstanding; 72 hr waiting period is not outrageous. Pres Kimball quote
from 4 decades ago still applies: "abortion is the most damnable heresy in
the world today". 72 hr waiting period is not outrageous. "Teach them
correct principles....let them govern themselves". 72 hr waiting period is
The principles on which the Roe v. Wade decision was based--an individual's
freedom of choice, as well as freedom from government intrusion into personal
matters--need to be reaffirmed. The fetus is not yet a person and its rights do
not outweigh the mother's right to choose. Decisions about such a personal
matter as whether to continue a pregnancy must be left to the individual who is
most directly involved, the pregnant woman. An extended waiting time is useless
as most women have already thought their decision over thoroughly. Like any
other difficult situation, abortion creates stress. Yet the American
Psychological Association found that stress was greatest prior to an abortion,
and that there was no evidence of post-abortion syndrome. Nearly all abortions
take place in the first trimester, when a fetus cannot exist independent of the
mother. The concept of personhood is different from the concept of human life.
Human life occurs at conception, but fertilized eggs used for in vitro
fertilization are also human lives and those not implanted are routinely thrown
away. Is this murder, and if not, then how is abortion murder?So
many unsupported comments show so little understanding!