@Nosferatu(-cont)The standard in 1984 was finish with the best
record and get the most votes in the Polls by the sportswriters, coaches, etc.
If all those sportswriters and coaches didn't think BYU was the best team
they all could have voted for the Washington Huskies. Both the AP and the
Coaches Polls voted BYU #1.The Huskies and 6 other nationally ranked
teams had a chance to play BYU in the Holiday Bowl that year and they all balked
at it. 7 ranked teams had the chance in the last game to end the debate and they
ran away. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Teams can't refuse
to play a team and then later hold that against them.ute fans (aka
BYU haters) are just going to have to get over their hatred.
@NosferatuYou said: "They didn't play a single ranked team.
Even in the "championship game." that's what I was going off of.
You can turn it and say that they didn't play a team that finished the
season in the top 25 and then that would be true.The kicker is you
want to use today's standard for judging a National Championship and roll
it back to apply it to 1984 when that wasn't the standard they used then.
Should we then take Utah's 1944 NCAA Championship in basketball and say
it's invalid because if they had played in today's tournament they
would get crushed and wouldn't even qualify for the tourney?Teams fluctuate over the course of a season and some get stronger and more
united while others lose their edge and get worse, they never stay exactly the
same week to week. Should we invalidate Utah's Sugar Bowl win over
'Bama because the Tide was depressed and lethargic after losing their shot
at a NC when they lost to Florida and you didn't play them when they were
undefeated and on top of the world? (cont)
@Bigcouger"Fact Checker: Pitt was the #3 ranked team in the
country and BYU beat them on the road."Fact Checker: If you
consult a calendar you will notice it is no longer pre-season 1984. This means
we actually know exactly where that Pitt team ranked among the top 25 that year:
no where. They won 3 games, and lost seven.It's great that BYU
went undefeated that year. You just need to acknowledge that they did it
without beating a single team who was considered to even be among the 20 best in
the sport at the time. It is extremely rare in any college sport for a team to
be considered a 'national champion' without even having to prove
themselves once against any of the top competition. This is why it's
@VegasUte"I don't even know why Jimmer would be a choice. Andrew
Bogut won all the awards Jimmer won and was the #1 overall pick of the NBA, and
I wouldn't even put Bogut as a choice for Utah's top sports
moments."It's probably because the year Bogut did it, it
was a really weak year for POY candidates in Div 1 and he was the default winner
and probably the weakest #1 pick in quite a few years. Also, because he played
for the utes, he played in relative obscurity and the UofU did a horrible job
(as usual) of promoting him on a national level. Nobody really knew who he was
and he didn't do anything really remarkable. Had he come out in
the draft this past year he would've been lucky to have been picked in the
top 10.Jimmer OTOH was a national sensation and a nightly fixture on
ESPN Sportscenter highlights, in high demand for interviews, and expanded the
English lexicon by adding the verb "Jimmer" in all of it's forms
(Jimmer, Jimmered, Jimmermania, etc).
@Duckhunter"It is still talked about, for good or bad, and probably
always will be. All other college athletic moments in this state are only even
discussed by arguing fans of the two schools. BYU's National Championship
is a nation wide discussion point to this day."Which is why I
think BYU's National Championship is a bigger deal than the Olympics.
Nobody talks about the Olympics anymore and 90% couldn't even remember
anything in particular regarding the individual events and the winners. Yet like
you said for good or bad fans still talk about BYU's National Championship
still today and not just within the state of Utah either.How big of
an all-time moment is it if nobody talks about it or can remember anything
salient about it?
@nosaerfoecioveht"They didn't play a single ranked team.
Even in the "championship game."Fact Checker: Pitt was the
#3 ranked team in the country and BYU beat them on the road. Also, the Holiday
Bowl committee tried to get a top 10 program to play BYU and was turned down by
7 highly ranked teams (including the #2 Washington Huskies and #4 Boston
College). In hindsight it looks pretty clear that schools like
Washington and BC were afraid to play BYU and lose and preferred to instead
whine and complain afterwards.Ironically, BYU played Boston College
in the Kickoff Classic to start the 1985 season and beat them 28-14 and followed
that up by beating the Washington Huskies shortly after that 31-3. Not much to
whine and complain about after that.
This is about sports "moments" so I'm not sure about the olympics
being the best moment although I definately think it was the biggest, and most
important, sporting event in the history of the state. Next would have to be
BYU's Football National Championship. Deride it all you want utah
"fans" but winning the National Championship in football, the biggest
prize in college sports, is bigger than anything else ever done in college
sports in this state. It was a great moment. It is still talked
about, for good or bad, and probably always will be. All other college athletic
moments in this state are only even discussed by arguing fans of the two
schools. BYU's National Championship is a nation wide discussion point to
It would be Wise not to over look the Stars
Of course, Lonster has a point - how can you beat the Big Z/Ron Boone freight
I don't even know why Jimmer would be a choice. Andrew Bogut won all the
awards Jimmer won and was the #1 overall pick of the NBA, and I wouldn't
even put Bogut as a choice for Utah's top sports moments. Now,
if you put Bogut and Alex Smith both being taken as #1 picks by their respective
sports, something NO other school in history has done, I would accept that as a
choice. Still not better than the Olympics, but lightyears above Jimmer.
@112 Pack,I actually hadn't noticed that, glad you pointed that
out. I agree that Utah's beat down of Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, capping an
undefeated season against quality opponents, was the greatest accomplishment of
any team in our state, ever. I also agree that BYU's undefeated 84 season
was a great accomplishment. I thing you have the order about right.
Call it what you want, but they won every game that year and were crowned
National Champion. I know all about who they played and that they beat a 6-5
Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl. Notice I put the Utes 2009 season
ahead. That year Utah beat four (4) final BCS, top 25 teams. The Sugar Bowl
victory was so awesome!I hope that makes everyone
Happy..................but I doubt it will!
@112 Pack"BYU running the table..."The kids table.
They didn't play a single ranked team. Even in the "championship
@ divotmakerMy mistake. Yes it was the Holiday Bowl.Do you
feel better now?
112pack lets be fair here: BYU never played Michigan in
the Rose Bowl, they played in the Holiday Bowl against a 6-5 team.
BYU has never played in the Rose Bowl period. nice try though!
let's be fair here:2) BYU's crew of Danny Ainge, Fred
Roberts, Greg Kite and Devin Durrant knocking off Notre Dame in the
NCAA's2a) BYU running the table, winning the NCAA championship, by
beating Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Too bad the BCS wasn't around then. I
don't think BYU would have won the NC, but you never know.
1) Utah pounding a 10 point favorite Alabama team in their own back yard.1a) Andre Miller taking the Utes on his shoulder as they beat San Fran,
Arkansas, West Virginia, Arizona, then North Carolina in the NCAA's.
@MiP"But the 2002 Winter games should be the top moment for the
state...."--------Agreed completely. 2002 Winter Games
without a doubt.
Seeing Jimmer slam a half court shot in the HC gets my vote!
Hate to tell you, Shawnm, but the actual ESPN poll is for all sports moments for
the state of Utah. You have to click on the link.Winter Olympics
was the most important sports moment for the state of Utah. I get to pay homage
to the '02 Olympics at every Ute home football game. The committee came to
the U and said "this is the place", just like Brigham!
Uh...the poll is for U of U moments, not ABA, BYU, Olympics or who knows what
else... Read the article peeps! I'd say the Sugar Bowl victory
was the best, with the '98 NCAA run as a VERY close second. The Fiesta Bowl
victory is obviously up there too, but the 'Bama game was one of the best
sporting games I've ever watched! (Obviously I'm biased, but even
non-fans would have to admit that it was pretty awesome - Barry Switzer even ate
some crow during that game!)
Just a note that CFN post spring poll has the Utes ranked 13th!!
Last month, I saw a middle-aged woman wearing a "Salt Lake 2002"
Olympics ball cap on the subway all the way back here in Philadelphia, and she
wasn't the first person I'd seen wearing '02 Olympics
paraphrenalia. I've NEVER seen anyone wearing ANYTHING remotely reflective
of the Y's '84 shampionship -- not even from the cougar alumni in my
stake. Utah's victories in the '05 Fiesta and '09 Sugar Bowls
are only "talked" about; not displayed on hats and T-shirts across the
city, and those discussions only come up when folks hear I'm a Utah
alumnus. All the "water cooler" talk about those games died out within
a month of those games played.Clearly, the Olympics had been the
brightest moment in Utah sports history.
I agree with Lonster, The Utah Stars ABA championship in 1971 was the biggest!
Olympics for sure are the most important thing, then Stockton over Barkley, Utah
Sugar Bowl and BYU's championship, followed by RSL's MLS cup, then
Utah' '44 championship.
Regarding the ESPN poll: I thought the 1984 BYU football championship was pretty
high, Utah's 2008 undefeated season with a win over Bama in the '09
Sugar Bowl and John Stockton sending the Jazz to the finals with his shot v
Houston were all big. But the 2002 Winter games should be the top
moment for the state....