Q - "How do you know that Russell Canon was guilty before he joined the
Liljenquist campaign"?A - "Matador was overvalued by as much
as 104 percent from November 2007 through July 2011, and its performance returns
were overstated."Unless Liljenquist has been running for this
office since 2007, I am pretty sure this was a pre-existing condition. As to
the difference between Russell Canon and John Edwards, actually there isn't
much. One took peoples retirement funds and squandered them away through lies
leaving them minus their funds - great breach of trust. John Edwards cheated on
his wife - great breach of trust. As to your last statement, while
it sounds very high and mighty, the world would be really quite place is we
shunned everyone who has wronged someone else. Christ did not shun the sinner,
why would we put ourselves in a higher place? Clinton unfortunately didn't
do much if any more than those who accused him. And what the other does should
have no bearing on what is acceptable for us, our own party, or people we know.
And if someone did something worse, I don't think that justifies anything.
re: On the other hand,How do you know that Russell Canon was guilty
before he joined the Liljenquist campaign and that John Edwards had not had an
affair with Ms. Hunter or any other woman when he signed on with Kerry? Just
how many affairs did John Edwards have? Andrew Young reported
"multiple" affairs. Was John Kerry the only person that didn't
know of Edward's philandering? For that matter, why do
Democrats pay to hear Bill Clinton speak? Why do they revere someone who
violated his marriage covenants and defiled multiple women? Why is he not
shunned by the Democrat Party? His guilt is well known, and if the media is to
be believed, he has not changed his lifestyle in any way.You claim
that Russell Cannon "resigned" and was not fired. If you were told to
come to "my" office immediately and to bring your letter of resignation
with you, would that mean that you resigned or that "I" fired you? Would it matter?
Turn out the lights. The party is over. There is no doubt whatsover that Hatch
will remain our senator. Wish it wasn't so, but it is.
Mike Richards.... so what you are saying is if say a Democrat, lets pick a
random name - ok Obama, were to pick someone who didn't match up to the
moral ethics that, lets call these people Republicans, didn't like, that it
would be wrong for these Republicans to crtisize this Obama chap for his
hiring.... is that what you are saying. That Republicans would rise above, look
at as simply a lapse of jundement, and just move on.Kind of like
Janet Reno. Not a single person ever made fun of her, or Clinton for having her
on his staff... right.Its all puppy dogs and unicorns on the
conservative side, and gutter crawling trash on the other side.Why
is it, that when a Republican makes a mistake... it is the "liberals"
fault. And this is about a contect between two Republicans, not a Republian and
a Democat. If Hatch had soneone on his staff under investigation for criminal
fraud, do you not think Liljenquist campaign just might say someting about
it.Stop blamming "liberals" for everything. It really
discredits the authenticity of the conservative movement if they can't self
police their members.
The company you chose.
@Mike Richards, so if I manage to change the behavior of all Democrats and
liberals (if only I had such influence...), you'll agree to change your own
behavior? That's a little lopsided, don't you think?By the
way, an important difference between the Kerry-Edwards connection and the
Liljenquist-Cannon one is that Cannon was allegedly already guilty when he
signed on with Liljenquist, while Edwards was innocent of the Hunter affair when
he signed on with Kerry. Regardless, I've already agreed with you that
Liljenquist is not to blame for Cannon's mess. I see a few pot shots in the
comments here aimed at Liljenquist, and I join with you in denouncing them, but
I don't see any directed at the Republican Party.As for the
Democrats' dirty laundry, point all you want. It's as irrelevant as me
pointing at Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Newt Gingrich, Bernie Kerik, Duke
Cunningham, and Richard Nixon. There's plenty of shame to go around, but
none of the people you or I have named have anything to do with Dan
Liljenquist's campaign, which has nothing to do with Russell Cannon's
So, I'm still confused as to how this suddenly makes Hatch or Howell look
better by comparison. Liljenquist is running a bare bones campaign with a
volunteer campaign finance manager. That volunteer gets accused of unrelated
deceptive business practices. Suddenly people are claiming that voting Hatch in
for six more years is wise and good?Seriously, people. Hatch
*himself* was involved with shady and deceptive business dealing directly
related to his political office just two years ago when he was caught paying his
current campaign manager, Dave Hansen, *$5000 a month* while Dave Hansen was
chairing the State Republican Party as an alleged volunteer who had completely
severed official ties with the Hatch campaign. When caught, Hansen claimed it
wasn't pay, it was some sort of delayed-bonus-over-time that he collected
every month from Hatch and when that didn't play well, Hansen quickly (and
quietly -- this got almost zero press) resigned and went back to being the more
visible continued full-time campaign manager for Senator Hatch...Liljenquist will vote and represent Utah much better than Hatch on the
important issues -- Federal budget, unfunded mandates, etc. Liljenquist is
willing to lead where Hatch only follows.
On the other hand,Have you read the posts? How many
"liberals" have taken a pot shot at Republicans? Maybe that
doesn't matter to Democrats who think that taking swipes at Republicans is
always fair game - and then complain when someone points out that their party is
the home of John Kennedy, Bill Clinton and John Edwards - all men who had
"zipper" problems. Did the Democrats forget that Mr. Obama appointed
known tax cheats to his administration? They were no "surprise" to Mr.
Obama.- Tom Daschle, the first HHS nominee,- Chief performance
officer nominee Nancy Killefer.- Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner,- US Trade Representative Ron KirkI brought up John Kerry for the
very reason that you stated. He didn't know in advance that John Edwards
had no morals. Did Dan Liljenquiest have a crystal ball to know what each
person who volunteered to work on his campaign would do? OKay, call
off your dogs and I'll call off mine. Guarantee that no Democrat will
smear Dan Liljenquist because of the actions of Russell Cannon and I'll
guarantee that I will stop pointing at the Democrats' dirty laundry. Deal?
Re: Furry1993 Clearfield, UTAfter Sen. Ted Kennedy's accident
at Chappaquiddick which left a young unmarried woman, Mary Jo Kopechne, dead the
Democrats would do well not to throw rocks at the Republicans. It was suggested
that Kennedy probably should have reported the accident to the police in a more
or less timely manner.
Going to take a closer look at Scott Howell for Senate. This type of story is
what I expect from Utah Republicans. What more can come up with the Utah GOP
except scandals?One Utah Independent voter.
@Mike Richards, I agree that one can't legitimately criticize Liljenquist
for Russell Cannon's bad decisions, which Liljenquist had no influence over
and no knowledge of.In point of fact, however, Cannon was not
dismissed from Liljenquist's campaign; rather, he himself resigned.I'm not sure why you bring up Democrats. I don't believe
anyone has mentioned the Republicans. I'm especially puzzled as to why you
bring up John Kerry. Did you expect him to look into the future to discover that
Edwards would have an affair beginning in 2006?As for the notion
that Democrats don't have the right to criticize Republican scandals
because they have weathered some scandals of their own, do you think the bad
choices of a partisan implicate the entire party? I don't think the
Republican Party would take credit for the indiscretions of Tom DeLay, John
Ensign, or Mark Sanford, and I seriously doubt those incidents would keep them
from criticizing Democrats facing similar allegations.Both parties
have had their share of scandals. Honest observers will recognize that the
present one is Cannon's scandal alone, not Liljenquist's, not the
Republicans', and certainly not the Democrats'.
Re: Furry1993 Clearfield, UT"What an excellent indictment of those who
call Liljenquist "good." Finally we can agree on something.
Sen. Hatch will be re-elected and will serve another 6 years.
Has anyone been following the news about John Edwards lately? Wasn't he a
Democrat? Wasn't he the Democrat nominee for Vice-President of the United
States in 2004? What did he do? Oh yes, he fathered a baby out of wedlock -
when his wife was suffering from cancer. He used campaign finances to try to
"hush" things up.How many Democrats smeared and slurred John
Kerry for choosing John Edwards to be his running mate? How many blamed him for
having the bad judgement to choose someone who lied about his life, about his
finances, about his affairs?Did Dan Liljenquist know about Russell
Cannon's stock fraud? I doubt it. Did Dan Liljenquist try to cover up
that fraud? Absolutely not.What did Dan Liljenquist do when he
found out about the fraud? He dismissed Russell Cannon. What would
you do?Any organization that operates on trust, expects that the
people who join are trustworthy. Any organization who finds that someone is
untrustworthy get rid of that person.Let the Democrats howl and moan
and point fingers. They have a lot of cleaning up of their own house to do
before we can take them seriously.
And Danny Boy wants us to vote for him? He has shown bad judgement in hiring
people. You need to vett the people who work for you. Danny didn't do
that very well. I think that we are way better off with someone that we know in
Hatch, not with a potential loose cannon like Oh Danny Boy who seems not to have
much common sense. Give Dan six years to develop it, then I'll feel good
about voting for him.
Re: one old man Ogden, UT"Gadianton is alive, well, and .... His main
office is located in a very large building on a hill at the north end of State
Street."Reminds me of Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call
evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who
put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."
Spin this however you like Holly Richardson, but this is very very concerning. I
for one cannot understand why we would want to replace Senator Hatch during this
critical time in our country. I hope the people of Utah come together and send a
strong message to Freedom Works that we stand behind our conservative Senator,
Senator Hatch and that we will elect our own candidates to represent Utah. We
do not want candidates selected and funded by Freedom Works and that are
beholden to Freedom Works a Washington Special Interest Group. And when Freedom
Works manufactures attacks against Senator Hatch with misleading accusations
they lose all credibility. How do they attack Hatch votes where their founder
Dick Armey voted the exact same way. Hypocrisy at its best. We need Senator
Hatch now more then ever. And heaven forbid if Obama does win in November we
certainly will want Senator Hatch's leadership and seniority fighting to
bring relief and help to Americans suffering everywhere. As a small Business
owner I want Hatch fighting for me in Washington.
Inflating values on funds? Seems like a local senator did just the opposite
thing when he wiped out the retirement fund for local state police, fire, and
teachers. He claimed it was heading for disaster when in reality it just had
two bad years. It was the best managed retirement fund in the nation yet this
senator took the opportunity to wipe out retirement for thousands of local
workers.We will continue to see the consequences of this one
pathetic bill for generations to come.
Gadianton is alive, well, and prospering in Utah. His main office is located in
a very large building on a hill at the north end of State Street.Worse than that, he seems to have full support from a of Utah voters.When will people wake up?
Ah, thats ok. All in the name of winning at all cost. If it takes a lie here
or there, as long as you win, it is all worth it. Free market economics at its
best. If you are stupid enough to believe him, you are due your darwinian fate.
These are the "family", Christian, and whatever values we are to look
up to.That said, he is presumed innocent - so lets see where this
all ends. But cooked books do tell a lot about someone.
Yeh lets all vote for Liljenquist yeh thats the ticket.