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Published: Monday, April 30 2012 5:59 p.m. MDT

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Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Sorry DNews, to burst your private small bubble, about YOUR "poster child" Mitt Romney, but, Ron Paul supporters say Mitt Romney still has competition, and Obama is it, Romney can't beat Obama in the only 3 debates he's got. Romney's done before he gets started. No matter who he picks for a veep running mate. That's the TRUTH and that's my civil dialogue among DNews readers. You may now censor me and block all my truth's. Like my thoughtful comments or not. I don't care.

Here's why we need Obama in 2012

Arianna Huffington, founder of the popular news site The Huffington Post, has criticized the Obama campaign for an ad suggesting that Mitt Romney wouldn’t have killed terrorism kingpin Osama bin Laden, calling the move "despicable."

In May 2011 President Barack Obama authorized the raid that did away with the al-Qaida leader. But a video ad released by the Obama campaign last week, which included former President Bill Clinton trumpeting Obama's achievement, also had wording which suggested that presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mormon Romney would not have made the same decision.

The GOP lie to much.

David King
Layton, UT

Great to see an article about Ron Paul in this paper. Many Utah Republicans claim to care about the Constitution, but will ignore Mitt Romney's support of things like the Patriot Act, the NDAA, or going to war without a declaration of war by Congress. When Ron Paul says he cares about the Constitution, he has a thirty year record to back it up. You might say we need Mitt Romney because we need "someone who understands the economy" but did you know that Ron Paul was talking about the collapse in housing prices and coming recession long before any of his Republican counterparts? Ron Paul has never supported an individual mandate to purchase health insurance. In contrast, Mitt Romney suggested tax penalties for those not purchasing health insurance as part of national reform. (search Mitt Romney USA Today health insurance op-ed 2009) Ron Paul never supported the TARP done by President Bush or the stimulus package by President Obama. At the end of the day, only Ron Paul has been a consistent and clear voice for individual liberty and fiscal conservatism.

A1994
Centerville, UT

1) Ron Paul is officially irrelevant. He's not ever going to be the President of the United States....ever. Ever...Never.

2) Mitt Romney would absolutely have made the decision to get rid of bin Laden. ANY American President, post 9-11, would have done that. To say otherwise is dishonest.

David King
Layton, UT

@A1994

Before you make the declaration that "Ron Paul is irrelevant" you should ask yourself the question "is he right?" I suggest a video that can be found on the internet if you search for "Ron Paul-the Philosopher's Stone". It shows some of the predictions that Ron Paul has made about the current state of our economy and also the growth in both the size and spending of the federal government. If after watching that short video, you still feel that Dr. Paul is "irrelevant", then you will get exactly what you desire, a general election between two candidates who pretend to represent vastly different views and philosophies of government, who actually agree on a host of fundamental issues such as: individual mandates, bailouts for banks, government stimulus bills, the Patriot Act, the NDAA, fighting undeclared preventative wars of agression, protecting the Federal Reserve, and in short, growing both the size and scope of government.

deep in thought
Salt Lake, UT

@ Brother Chuck

Dearest Brother Chuck...

On the honesty point, Politifact reports that President Obama has kept only 162 out of over 500 promises he has made to the American people. Those darn facts getting in the way.

Also, I happen to remember that you voted for Mitt Romney in FL primaries and confessed it to us friendly neighbors here on the DN comment boards. I understand that you may have changed your mind, but really, be balanced when talking about Obama and lets not over use the K-street or Koch brothers anymore. Most of us Republicans are just hoping the government will balance their checkbooks like we do and are not anywhere near the 1% and don't live on any K streets.

Finally, the Huffington Post is about as liberal leaning as any website I have read in my life. Which is fine, but I might use other sources if you want to be convincing. I think they also came to the conclusion that Mitt Romney is a thug, thief, and likely murderer.

Love

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A1994
Centerville, UT

@David King

I think many of Ron Paul's ideas are dead on. But he's never going to be the nominee. The title of this article is 'Ron Paul supporters say Mitt Romney still has competition'

My point ins that Ron Pauls supporters are wrong. Mitt Romney is the nominee. Ron Paul is wasting money if he thinks he's going to win the nomination. If he is just trying to bring awareness to the issues, fine. But he is not relevant to the actual race at this point. I think his supporters think there are more Ron Paul supporters than there really are.

aceroinox
Farmington, UT

The whole concept of a Ron Paul candidacy is skewed. Ron Paul is, and always has been, a libertarian, not a Republican. Because only a very small percentage of Americans have any interest in embracing libertarianism, the Libertarian Party has always floundered. As a result Congressman Paul and his supporters have made a valiant effort to drag the GOP toward libertarian positions and ideology, but to no avail. Time to abandon the attempt and return to your native party.

The GOP will survive or "become irrelevant" quite nicely all on its own.

Aggie238
Logan, UT

A1994,

I think you are missing the point. Most Paul supporters like myself don't really expect that Ron Paul will win the nomination. Probably not ever, as he's getting up there in years. The point is to force people to listen to his message as much and as long as possible by sticking in the race until someone else forces him out. People are already beginning to see through the smoke and mirrors of the mainstream candidates. This election has been a testament to that fact, as he has garnered exponentially more support than in times past. Many of my friends and family, on both sides of the political aisle, who scoffed at Ron Paul's philosophies 10 years ago, are now seeing that there was more to those ideas than they chose to admit. Another point to consider is that Paul commands an overwhelming lead among young people. A few years from now, we will make up the majority of voters, and when we do we're going to clean house. It's not about Ron Paul. It's about freedom. We're not going to quit, and in the long haul we are playing to win.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Paul supporters

I've heard it theorized one step further beyond what some of you are saying about spreading his message... Ron Paul has a rather logical successor, Rand Paul. Do you see Rand running for president in 2020 (give or take a cycle depending on how things shake out in these elections)?

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
Beverly Hills, CA

I find it hilarious to watch Republicans embrace Ron Paul only to be hocked by his willingness to allow pot and other ills of society. It just proves Republicans want to interfere with our lives despite saying they are for less government.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

I would NEVER vote for BO. But Romney is McCain warmed over. What a sad state of affairs. I am beginning to feel there is no hope for us.

Springvillepoet
Springville, UT

@BroChuck:

I am a Democrat, and proud to be, but there is absolutely no way anyone, even a former President of the United States, can definitively state what another President would or would not do in a given situation.

Do I blame George Bush for a lot of the problems in handling the wars we find ourselves in? Yes. Do I think President Obama should have done more to to get us out of Afghanistan? Yes. Do I think Mitt Romney is the best choice for President? No. I will still vote for President Obama in the next election, but that doesn't mean I am going to make pronouncements about what Mitt Romney will or will not do in order to score points on an emotional level. You can't win an election simply by voting 'against' a person. You can only really win an election by voting for someone, and people should really put some effort into minimizing all of the end-of-the-world hyperbole, on both sides.

Thoughtful Voter
Spanish Fork, UT

I've never yet met a Ron Paul supporter that voted Obama in 2008 or that plans to vote Obama in the general in 2012. If there were some who believed his Obama claiming that he was different than McCain or Romney on foreign policy and civil liberties in 2008, they have no reason to believe such hollow promises this go round. U of U's Chambless obviously has no idea what he's talking about. And Roche doesn't appear to have checked with any of Paul's many supporters. It's not like they're hard to find. :)
Chambless has it half-right, it's a tough pill to swallow to support Republican nominees who campaign on fiscal discipline and Constitutional limits to government but who really advocate unsustainable deficits, sending our defense forces into pointless and unjustified conflicts, and growing the scope, cost, and powers of the centralized Federal government.
In 2008, this active Republican Ron Paul supporter did not support McCain in the general, but neither did I support Obama. In 2012, if Romney doesn't listen to the well-reasoned 20%+ that support Paul, I can't see supportig Romney either.

higv
Dietrich, ID

Pauls ideas of foreign policy are dangerous and will do more harm than good. He is in the Republican party because he can receive more voter there than he can as a general election candidate in the Libertarian party. He has no chance to win anyway.

DougB
Spanish Fork, UT

@aceroinox, President Reagan (who most recognize as a "Republican") stated that "If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism . . . The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

In other words, it's absolutely silly to chase people off into these non-viable third parties of Big-L "Libertarians" and "Constitutionalists". If the Republican party can't embrace liberty and binding down far-away centralized government to its Constitutionally limited functions, then the Republican Party has truly lost already.

Gail Fitches
Layton, UT

As I read the comments, it appears to me that many people are repeating the same information that is on the lamestream media. Ron Paul is the ONLY ONE who stands for freedom, and will not be bought off by globalist united nations agenda corporate America. I can tell people here do not realize these globalist are on a fast track to take away all of our freedoms and kill the constitution. No matter what, I will be voting for the ONLY ONE who stands strong for our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and freedom to run our own lives. Parent rights are under attack, private property is under threat and many have had their property taken away from them in this country, non-toxic cancer treatments are kept off the market by Big Pharma and Chemical, we are forced to eat genetically modified foods without our consent or knowledge, that will destroy our health, and it goes on and on. Our country is on a fast track to being totally taken over, and I suggest that people do more research on the global threats we are under. I will vote for Ron Paul regardless of outcome.

Aggie238
Logan, UT

higv,

Exactly how are Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas dangerous? Do you even know what they are? Sounds to me like you're just repeating tired talking points you heard from Glen Beck like all the other rank and file Republicans.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Both major parties are irrelevant! No political party or man, including ron paul, will change people that are already blinded by their own ignorance and willfulness! Very little will change with the coming election. Barack Obama just makes the worse changes(He has done more damage than any president in American history) come a little sooner!

IdahoStranger
NEWDALE, ID

Examining Ron Paul's so-called "dangerous foreign policy ideas":

Wiki-pedia states:

"Paul's stance on foreign policy is one of consistent non-intervention, opposing wars of aggression and entangling alliances with other nations.

Paul advocates bringing troops home from U.S. military bases in Korea, Japan, and Europe, among others. He also proposes that the U.S. stop sending what he deems massive, unaccountable foreign aid."

From Ron Paul's official website:

* Make securing our borders the top national security priority.

* End the nation-building that is draining troop morale, increasing our debt, and sacrificing lives with no end in sight.

* Follow the Constitution by asking Congress to declare war before one is waged.

* Only send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job – and then bring them home."

If these are "dangerous", then I wonder what one would call all the death and destruction of our no-win, undeclared wars?

President Washington warned against entangling alliances - we should listen!

"What on earth is wrong with the United States simply minding its own business?" Robert Welch

Support our troops by bringing them home and defending US!

Te Amo
Salt Lake City, UT

Democrates "and" Republicans are the problem. They have the power to make the changes necessary but instead their efforts go to fill their own bank accounts at the expense of us tax-payers. Use your head a little bit. If you are happy with what you have, just keep voting for them. If not, anyone is better than more of the same. As I see it, Ron Paul is the only POSSIBLE solution we voters have. We cannot continue financing forign aid, forign wars, lobbyists, paying farmers not to farm, oil depletion allowances, insurance companies to rob us blind and laws made to keep lawyers working. The war on drugs is a joke and needs to be cleaned up. Right now it just serves to make drug dealers rich. I'm writting in Ron Paul and will do my best to point out the problems subsidized by the Democrates and Republicans every chance I get.

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