Blue roundup: Greg Wrubell examines Cougars' independent status


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  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 7, 2012 2:44 p.m.


    I don't like losses but several of those don't come anywhere close to "embarrassing".

    38-28 tp TCU in Dallas? How is that "embarrassing"? It is no fun to lose but "embarrassing" is not the way to describe it.

    The loss to Nevada 27-13. Not "embarrassing". Nevada had a great team that year and BYU was down. Not "embarrassing" at all.

    Did you notice anything almost all of those teams that BYU lost to have in common? That's right, they are all quality teams, most of them ranked in the top 25 some in the top 5. Those teams pounded most of the teams they played those years.

    Did you notive another thing all of those teams have in common. None of them had losing records, none lost 10 games those season, none were bottom feeders, none we laughable programs.

    If youwant to see some embarrassing losses to some bottom feeding programs. some in the midst of 10 loss seasons, just take a look at utah's record over that time period.


  • morganh Orem, Utah
    May 4, 2012 9:14 p.m.

    Wow!! The Deseret publishes an article about BYU and all the Ute trolls come out of the woodwork to give their so called "expert opinion" as to the future of BYU. The only opinions I can trust about my beloved Cougars are those I get from BYU insiders and not those whose only interest is to predict the demise of BYU.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    May 3, 2012 6:13 p.m.

    @ sammyg

    Speaking of embarrassing losses. BYU has quite the remarkable streak going for embarrassing losses.


    7-32 TCU
    24-48 Utah


    54-28 Florida State (Home loss)
    38-7 TCU (Home loss on College Gameday)


    14-35 Air Force
    10-34 Florida State
    27-13 Nevada (Home loss)
    16-31 Utah State
    3-31 TCU

    54-10 Utah
    38-28 TCU (Those pesky frogs) lol

    2012: (To be determined) ?

    BYU is going on 5 straight years of embarrassing losses. What will be in store for the cougies in 2012? Stay tuned! lol

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    54-10 and the pain is still evident.

    Love it.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    May 3, 2012 6:26 a.m.


    "I like our 'greased' conference schedule much better than independence. If we can beat the 'Colorados' we have as good of a chance as anyone to get to the future playoffs."

    The limited capacity for thought of the kids on the hill is truly staggering.

    -USC won't always be ineligible
    -UCLA, ASU, and Arizona won't always have losing records
    -Colorado won't always be a 10-loss team
    -Utah won't always be able to dodge the best teams in the PAC 12 North

    So, if U think that the ONLY thing U have to do to punch your ticket to the NC playoff is hide from BYU and beat the 'Colorados', you're seriously delusional.

    Utah is destined to be a perennial middle of the PAC team, with occassional breakout years (every couple of decades), mixed with occassional bottom of the PAC years.

    Gotta luv those 8th-place finishes in the "conference of chumpions"!

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    May 2, 2012 4:59 p.m.

    Let's get off of the independence movement and get into the Big 10, 12, or whatever they are so we can show up the Utes.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 1, 2012 11:37 p.m.


    You do realize that BYU has not 'chosen' to play these November games, they were the options dealt to them these first 2 years in the decision to go independent. But you knew that.

    Utes choosing to play the Big Sky powerhouses show just how scared they really are.

    It won't make a difference. Even when the Utes have a 'greased' sled to a championship they choke.

    Going for 3 in a row this year for national TV embarrassing moments?

    7-47 TCU 2010
    3-28 ND 2010
    3-26 BSU 2010

    17-14 CO 2011

    ? 2012

    While BYU continues to improve its schedule the Utes will continue their bottom dweller competition. 4-5 in 2011 with that 17-14 game was proof enough that the Utes were not ready for prime time. Enjoy being 3rd or 4th in the South Division... forever.

    BYU 10-3 against cupcakes and few BCS teams and ranked nationally Top 25 > 6th, 7th, or 8th Place Pac 10.2

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 1, 2012 8:11 p.m.

    @PAC man

    I enjoy it when those of the Cougar Nation predict the demise of the Utes at the hands of PAC 12 bullies.

    If "little brother" can't beat "big brother" himself... he looks for a bully who can.

    Can Cougar Nation say little brother?


  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 1, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    Baltimore, MD

    the Utes realized that the only way they can qualify for a bowl is by filling their non-conference schedule with Big Sky teams.


    Easily the most hypocritical thing I've read so far.

    You do realize that you just outlined the blueprint BYU has used for the last two seasons?

    Difference between BYU and Utah is that Utah schedules 1 cupcake. BYU schedules 7 or 8.

    What a joke.

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    May 1, 2012 9:20 a.m.

    Now that AQ may no longer be an issue, I think BYU is working on possibly joining the new CUSA mega-conference or forming a new conference, but they have time yet to monitor the situation, with the possible breakups of the WAC, Big East, or MWC, and unrest in the ACC; not to mention what the Big12 plans to do to keep up with the SEC.

    Although they would like to build quality late-season schedules like Notre Dame, that task appears impossible.

  • NC-Utes Toad Suck, AR
    May 1, 2012 7:19 a.m.

    I like our 'greased' conference schedule much better than independence. If we can beat the 'Colorados' we have as good of a chance as anyone to get to the future playoffs.

    Hate to see the rivalry go but adios Cougars.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 1, 2012 6:51 a.m.

    After seeing how uncompetitive they were in the PAC, the Utes realized that the only way they can qualify for a bowl is by filling their non-conference schedule with Big Sky teams.

    10 years from now, BYU will still be finishing regularly in the Top 25 and the Utes will be just another wannabe bottom feeder in a major conference, like Duke, only without the basketball program.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    April 30, 2012 11:42 p.m.

    BYU wouldn't be in a bowl game if they didn't have the lowly WAC teams to whoop on. We'll se you folks on 9-15-12 for another horrific spanking. RES should be fun after the 3rd quarter.........when all the BYU fans have made their exit from the stadium AGAIN.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    April 30, 2012 11:34 p.m.

    Jealous Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Looking forward to you changing your screen name, AGAIN, after Utah-Hawaii both go down in flames in 2012; you obviously don't have a clue about BYU's bowl destination for 2012.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    April 30, 2012 11:11 p.m.

    BYU is the Liberty U of the west! It is only a matter of time.........ESPN pulls the plug and BYU football is toast! Enjoy next year's bowl game that will compete with "Days of our Life" soap opera again for weekday tv ratings.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 30, 2012 11:03 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "Oh my goodness, will the DNews stop this hypothetical madness."

    For continuous poster of hypothetical madness, see mirror.

    As far as Notre Dame goes,

    BYU has beaten Notre Dame in Provo and in South Bend.

    Remind us again how the high flying 7-47 Utes fared in their only visit to South Bend...

    oh, and call us, if Notre Dame ever agrees to visit Utah.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    April 30, 2012 10:48 p.m.

    Yes howie, the Utes are scared to death of BYU.

    Why else would the Utes rather play Northern Colorado instead of BYU?

    Colorado extended its series with Colorado State to 2020.

    USC and Stanford will continue to play Notre Dame every year.

    But, the Utes now realize that they aren't competitive in the PAC 12 and that losing conference records will be the norm from now on, so the only way the Utes have a chance of being bowl eligible is to pack their non-conference schedule with Northern Colorados.

    btw, howie, Bronco is 3-4 versus Kyle, and if not for Anae sitting on the ball in the last two minutes and playing for the FG instead of the TD, Bronco would be 4-3 versus Utah.

    Bottom line:

    Bronco has FIVE Top 25 Finishes; Kyle only has THREE.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    April 30, 2012 9:30 p.m.

    Oh my goodness, will the DNews stop this hypothetical madness. BYU's football program will be gone in 10 years or sooner. Why not compare BYU to Snow College or Rick's.........Notre Dame? Are you kidding me?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 30, 2012 9:22 p.m.

    "...for fear of over-loading its plate with teams that are tough to beat."

    Really Greg? Utah is scared to continue to schedule BYU?

    Let's consider a few facts:

    - As voice of the Cougars, Greg has called 7 BYU losses and 4 BYU victories. For the record that's 36.4% Cougar winning percentage.

    - In that span of 11 games Utah has out scored BYU by 313 to 211 points.

    - The BYU average margin of victory has been 4 points.

    - 2 Cougar victories weren't sealed until the very last play.

    - BYU's single most convincing victory was by a margin of 7 points... attributable to righteous living.

    - Of Utah's 7 victories, 3 were runaway blowouts.

    - 1 of Utah's victories was BYU's first scoreless game in decades.

    - Utah's average margin of victory has been 17 points.

    If these facts were reversed in BYU's favor, can anyone doubt that Greg would be hailing BYU dominance in the rivalry?

    Yet, with the same set of facts that he would surely use to claim dominance, Greg inexplicably concludes that Utah is afraid to schedule BYU and it's 36.4% winning percentage.... Weird...

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 30, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    Seriously, this is such a hoot to read.

    I very much enjoy the DNews, these stories and the very funny comedy troupe called 'the Ute trolls'.

    I submit the following after reading the above comments... The Utes new cheer song... "I am Woman, Hear Me Roar..."

    (sound effect... Ed McMahon laughing on the Johnny Carson Show!)

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    April 30, 2012 6:21 p.m.

    All-time NCAA Skiing Champions (1954 to 2012)

    Denver - 21
    Colorado - 16 + one shared
    Utah - 10 (one solo for the men)
    Vermont - 6
    Dartmouth - 2 + one shared
    Wyoming - 2
    New Mexico - 1

    That's it! The ONLY schools that have ever won a skiing championship.

    How hard can it be to win a skiing championship, when only FOUR D1-A schools compete?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    April 30, 2012 5:46 p.m.

    PAC 12 loves U

    Call us the FIRST time Utah wins a national championship in ANY big boy sport:

    football, basketball, baseball, track and field, volleyball, swimming and diving, golf, cross-country, tennis, soccer, rugby, wrestling...

    ANYTHING in which more than a handful of Division 1 men's teams compete.


  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 30, 2012 5:35 p.m.

    PAC 10.2 Cellar Dweller

    "20 national championships"

    10 in Skiing, in which Utah is a distant third to Denver and Colorado, and Wyoming, New Mexico, Dartmouth, and Vermont are the only other schools that compete.

    10 in Women's Gymnastics, in which Utah hasn't won a National Championship since 1995.

    It's laughable that Utah fans beat their chests about their great football and basketball programs, but when it comes to national championships, the only championships they have to beat their chests about are coed and women's sports.

    A Utah woMan Am I

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 30, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    See, Papa, and PAC loves you...

    Here is my issue.

    You kids in the Alumni House fail to understand that neither BYU nor Utah carries the same weight as Notre Dame, or USC, UCLA, or the PAC.

    BYU has commonalities with ND, and the Utes have commonalalities that are associated with the PAC that come from inclusion.

    While Utah has an interest in the PAC TV deal, they are not USC or UCLA in football or basketball. BYU is not ND, but they all have the same issues.

    Hopefully Utah will someday get over not being BYU.

    Yes, they are the "flagship" state university, which means the first state run university, which means nothing, but they have yet to reach any of BYU's accomplishments individually, or as a team. USU has an Outland Trophy. What has Utah done?

    As soon as you kids grow up and stop fighting BYU's glass ceiling, maybe someday, you will be able to realize that being a Ute is something to be proud of, where just being a "not_BYU" is just weak...

    (BTW, the PAC does not love you... like BYU, they tolerate you, which will be short-lived....)

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 30, 2012 2:08 p.m.

    @ PAC 12 loves U
    Sandy, Utah
    Get serious.

    Flagship (meaningless), "major", "tons of", "and the list goes on"...?

    20 NC's? So we can see how important those are, wanna name the sports? Can you?

    So, can we stop with the BYU does not compare to ND talk yet?

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    April 30, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    @ Veritas Aequitas

    "What's your take on the U and other PAC teams?"

    A state flagship university, A major research institution, a world class medical school, tons of post-graduate programs, Nobel Peace Prize winners, 20 national championships to contribute to the conference of champions, and the list goes on.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 30, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    I LOVE it, Greg! Keep writing! It's like having a trick pet dog.

    "Watch this! 'BYU and Notre Dame have several things in common.'"

    "Wow, you're right! They do start foaming at the mouth. Can they do anything else."

    "oh, yeah! Wait till you see what happens when I mention Max Hall, Austin Collie or National championship."

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 30, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE
    "Notre Dame and BYU are nothing alike. The only things they do have in common are they are both independent schools, and both religious schools. That is where the comparisons end."

    What's your take on the U and other PAC teams?

  • fender Washington, UT
    April 30, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    The position of BYU and Notre Dame as independents is similar in name only. ND as the most storied name in all of college football would only diminish its status by joining a football conference. BYU the opposite. Wrubell likes the sound of both schools in the same sentence, but, sorry, their positions are like night and day.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    April 30, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    NO! That is impossible! As I channel my inner Wrubell. Notre Dame and BYU are nothing alike. The only things they do have in common are they are both independent schools, and both religious schools. That is where the comparisons end. When Notre Dame starts to play tough teams, that is where BYU plays the likes of the WAC and Big Sky. Notre Dame can lose 3 games and still make it to a BCS game, while the Y has to be undefeated to make a BCS game, and once they lose a game, they are in the Bell Helicopter Charmin Bowl. While I hope that the Y can start to get some better games in November, and not have 2 byes, I don’t see it happening any time soon. They may get 1 good game, and then 3 or 4 terrible games to end the year, which doesn’t bode well for upper tier bowls, and national recognition. Do Greg, please stop all of these silly comparisons to one of the best all time college football programs out there. The Y is not Notre Dame, and never will be Notre Dame, or anything close.