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Published: Friday, April 27 2012 12:33 p.m. MDT

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Jake2010
bountiful, ut

More like 'Idolatry: An even worse problem today than ever in the history of the world'.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Amen!

Brigham Young taught the Mormons the same thing, but sadly many modern LDS have apostisized from those teachings.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

I suppose he does have a point, there is a lot of obsessed fans of American Idol.

Jake2010
bountiful, ut

Not only things like American Idol but in all things that take attention away from I will say family AND God..... Whether it is the fancy automobiles, the far larger than necessary home.... The more than necessary sound system..... Anything that enhances or creates the distance between the individual and what is most important in the larger picture is what becomes their idol.......

Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

This is an old tired argument, and like the first time it was stated, it's just a weak attempt to shun materialism by juxtaposing it with idolatry. The idolatry mentioned in the Old Testament, was the worship of other God's. People would fashion caricatures of those God's and proxy worship that God by bowing to the idol. It's not even in the same camp as materialism. Materialism is about self gratification and wastefulness. We've all been in the Sunday School lessons where people say something like "his money is his God", or "he worships his car". When we say stupid things like this we are not stating of valid observation, but rather are attempting to build ourselves up by self-righteously putting others down. There is little doubt that materialism can be a personal weakness, but not to the point that people actually worship their assets as an idol. No one uses a car to facilitate the worship of an assumed deity. There's that New Testament scripture about motes and beams in a person's eye...I believe that apply's here.

Stephen Kent Ehat
Lindon, UT

Two thoughts:

1. The greatest things in the world aren't things.

2. Attorneys, accountants, doctors, journalists -- professionals generally -- deal with "conflicts of interest." They are pulled by competing interests. An attorney may be tempted to run up his fee, performing minimally helpful work at his client's expense and to his own enrichment. A journalist has a duty to the public even if the story is about the reporter's employer. A doctor may be tempted to refer a patient to a lab in which the doctor has a financial interest. In these cases, the greater loyalty is to the client, patient or public.

And the clergy? Do the clergy tailor their message to the "itching ears" of the congregation (2 Tim 4:3), so as not to impede the donations? "Priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the Welfare of Zion." Even preachers must avoid idolatry. Reverend Graham is Exhibit A as one of the best examples of humility and circumspection. President Spencer W. Kimball rightly referred to Reverend Graham as "a great preacher." He is.

sharrona
layton, UT

Re: Mormoncowboy, but not to the point that people actually worship their assets as an idol. No one uses a car to facilitate the worship of an assumed deity.

They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served Created things(tree huggers,occult) rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. (Romans 1:25)

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon(Mt 6:24)

You're gonna have to serve somebody, Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord But you're gonna have to serve somebody. Bob Dylan.

Matthew 6:21(NIV)For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also

garybeac
Chapel Hill, NC

Elderly men are often angry about something, especially if they find themselves in front of an audience. Their anger is usually implicit, expressing approval of those who agree with the way that they think the world should be, the way that it was when they were young men, "the way that it sure as heck isn't nowadays." Grandfathers should learn to be grandfathers.

Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

Sharrona:

Even if a person refuses to accept God, how can you defend the argument that they "exchanged" your God for their material possessions? Were I stripped completely of my possessions, I would still reject your idea of God. I would not however find some alternative God to worship. The Idol argument here is not justified. It only offers self-righteous religious folk a subject upon which they can esteem themselves above those who do not share their beliefs. It say's everything about you and Billy Graham, and very little about those to whom it is directed.

sharrona
layton, UT

Mormoncowboy Even if a person refuses to accept God, how can you defend the argument that they "exchanged" your God for their material possessions? Were I stripped completely of my possessions, I would still reject your idea of God.

The Noetic Effects of Sin. "For since the creation of the world God& hiss invisible qualities; his eternal power and divine nature; have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.(Romans 1:20-21).

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast.(Eph 2:8,9) Christians are saved to worship God not ourselves.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.( Mt 5:3) poor in spirit in contrast to those spiritually proud and self-sufficient theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

Sharrona:

You can quote scripture all day long, but I reject the authority of the Bible, so it doesn't persuade me much. I would note however, that I reject the authority of the Bible on the basis of my views on the Bible, not because my possessions placed me in an either or scenario.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "LDS Liberal" don't worry, there is still hope for you to repent and begin to follow Birgham Young's teachings agains. There are many of us who await the day when you and the others that have apostasized from the teachings of all the prophets, including Brigham Young, will return.

To "Mormoncowboy" Billy Graham is correct. It doesn't matter if you believe in the Bible or not. Are you a better person if you are more concerned about material possessions? Is the better person more concerned about helping others?

If you are more concerned about material possessions, then you are practicing a form of idolitry. If you are more concerned about others, then you are following the teachings in the Bible (regardless of your belief in it).

Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

Redshirt1701:

I agree with you that in the hierarchy of things, placing a priority on people vs things, is the more ethical path. However, that would still not be idol worship. Even more to the point however, Graham equated idol worship with those who would "serve money" rather than "serve God". His argument is about denigrating those who refuse to accept his ideology. They are idol worshippers not because they actually worship their material possessions, but because Graham and other self-righteous preachers are only too happy to hurl peoples own possessions at them, simply for disagreeing religiously. If I don't go to Church and serve in the way that the "Church" defines service, then the only explanation that people like Graham can come up with is that I must be an Idol Worshipper who loves money more than God. Certainly Graham wouldn't entertain the possibility that maybe I just think his Church is bogus. We accuse people of idol worshipping only because it serves to reinforce our world-view. It fails to "serve" the idol worshipper, favoring instead the ego of the self-righteous who use it to elevate the perception of themselves.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Mormoncowboy" idol worship is exactly as Graham described. It is putting things of this world ahead of God and your fellow beings.

If you don't go to church and serve in the way that the church defines service, what are you doing with your time? Are you sitting around watching Nascar and Golf, or are you seeking to do the things that God would have you do?

If you are not going to a church (any church) becaue it cuts into your leasure time or because of any reason other than because of work schedules, aren't you being selfish with your time? You have 168 hours in a week, and God only asks for a few hours to come to his house of worship for a visit.

The ironly of your last post is that you complain about people feeding their ego with self righteousness after you call Graham's Church bogus. Doesn't that seem a bit self righteous to you?

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