You people are hysterical. You are arguing and acting like a bunch of babies.
It sickens me that a girl can make an accusation against a good man and
basically flip his world upside down and when it turns out she is lying nothing
is done about it. I feel bad for this man. His name has been tainted. I agree
with the concept of not disclosing the names of victims, but perhaps there
should be the same treatment for those accused. Or if not, the person making the
accusation should be held accountable in some way. If it is possible, I hope
this coach sues the girl's parents. These kinds of accusations need to
@xertI agree that is a shame. When I was a kid they still spanked
kids at school. This was the 70's so they had gotten to the point that they
didn't do it without asking permission from your parents first. At the
start of the school year parents would meet with the principle and he would ask
if he had their permission to spank you if he deemed it was needed. I'm
sure there were parents that told him "no" but my parents were more than
happy to let him spank me if he wanted to. I got paddled a couple of times but
for the most part I was pretty well behaved because I knew that not only could
they whip me if they wanted to but also thatm y Dad was in full support of them
doing it. I just knew that if there was ever an issue between myself
and an adult that my parents would side with the adult. I knew that any adult,
even a complete stranger, could set me straight and my parents would not
question them for doing so. Instead I would be further punished by them.
@ Me, Myself and I 8:53 a.m. April 27, 2012 & xert 9:35 a.m. April 28,
2012All I can say is wow. Its a real head scratcher when boys are
'psychologically & emotionally castrated' starting w/ kindergarten
IMO.Yet, girls still get away with murder metaphorically speaking.
There is a tendency to treat girls here in Zion like princesses & have been
for years for better or worse.
I had to speak to a very rude (and loud) senior female student yesterday and to
eventually give her a detention for her behavior in class. This was the type of
student who might very likely strike back if things don't go her way. So in
preparation,--IWrote her name on the dry erase board, requesting
that she remain after class. (Sadly--the entire class should be made aware that
the teacher has requested to speak with the student.)Made sure the
door to the class room was wide open and the window shades were as well.Made sure the student could see that I was doing these things and
placing a healthy distance between myself and her.It's a
strange and sad world we are living in now, but part of your professionalism as
a teacher, requires that you do everything in your power to protect yourself
from students and parents who would seek retribution when they don't get
what they want. Believe me, people of this type are fifty times more prevalent
than predatory teachers (though the papers would try to tell you differently).
@fenderI never said differently. As a matter of fact that will be
the case. If the D.A. sas "we will not pursue a prosecution as it lacks
merit" then we will know they believe the accusation to be false. If he says
something like "we don't feel we can get a prosecution with what we
have" then we will know they think he probably did it but he said/she said
just isn't solid enough to take it to trial.Frankly I hope he
didn't do it, but that was not my point. Obviously I am calling out the two
classless utah "fans" that accused BYU fans of something they did not
do. Neither of them can refer us to a single post by an affirmed BYU fan making
any of the comments they claimed were made. Not one. They made a claim about BYU
fans is demonstrably false. In otherwords they are hypocritically doing what
they claim the girl did. Of course they don't know if the charges are true
or false in relation to the case so they are doubly guilty of hypocrisy and
Duckhunter,Don't think we can infer from the prosecutor's
pending announcement that the accuser is or is not lying or what the prosecutor
may or may not believe. Prosecutor's job is to determine whether the
evidence presented him/her is sufficient to make a credible case against the
coach. The comment will reflect the prosecutor's opinion on that subject.
Unless the prosecutor proceeds to charge the girl with criminal defamation,
don't think we can assume anything.Does seem a shame the media
doesn't wait until someone is actually charged before reporting this stuff,
This was really pour journalism on all the media outlets. I hope this story will
set a precedence and I hope Lyman will look at civil damages against the media
outlets who ran with the story before they knew the entire truth.
@raisedauteYou can't post a link but you can certainly state
the names of the posters, the article they posted the supposed offending
comments in, as well as the time stamp of the comment. You can even copy and
paste the comments from those articles into your posts on this article. Since
neither you or robin will do it then it is obvious you are both making false
accusations while hypocritically claiming this girl is making false accusations.
As of now the D.A has not come out and said what the attorney claimed he was
going to say so none of us have any idea of how this will end. Are
we to infer by your comments and behavior that you are simply exonerating the
coach because he is a former ute? This despite having no evidence one way or the
other? Seems to me that the condemnation without evidence is coming from a
couple of utah "fans".
raisedauteCottonwood Heights, UT@Counter Intelligence and Veritas"All you have to do is look at the previous articles to see exactly
what he is talking about." ===Dude, the comments both of
you are talking about are not there!!!You are both using a tragic
situation and trying to spin it into an opportunity to trash a fanbase.It's unneeded, unnecessary, and definately off-topic.Brave
Sir Robin, that is really despicable behavior...
This is why media nut jobs you don't leak a story until it becomes
substantiated fact..... Mere allegations should never be the grounds for
adversely affecting the lives of anyone.... Treat everything that comes over
that wire with criminal implications as if it was being said about your mother
brother sister, father husband or wife....... Or even your overpaid selves!
Would you have leaked the story about mere charges if it was any of those so
listed? Yet, you will continue going on in your blissful state of having a
busted GAD and creating a circus with your words! I am not pinpointing anyone
specific in this post other than anyone statewide that leaked the story before
even so much as an investigation had been executed.... It is time to grow up and
use your brains! I first learned of it via KSL facebook and let her rip! Sexual
crimes need to be treated with a lot more care and concern than has hitherto
been done since the first poisonous newspaper went into circulation!
@Counter Intelligence and VeritasAll you have to do is look at the
previous articles to see exactly what he is talking about. But they don't
allow you to post links on here so we can't do your legwork about your
questioning. The posts are there and they are dispicable. When
people stoop this low in an attempt to trash another football program in the
rivalry, then the rivalry must end... I for one hope the Utes discontinue the
rivalry game because fans have become ridicules in their blind devotion to
trashing the other side. With or without the real story.
@Brave Sir RobinFor the record, I'm a die hard BYU fan. Also
for the record, I have stated before I feel it is an outrage this situation had
to be played out in the media. Until an arrest had been made (which was not
made) the entire situation should have been handled internally. Couldn't care less where this coach played his college football. Innocent
until proven guilty and the evidence did not prove him guilty beyond a
reasonable doubt. While I have not read every single comment on
every single news website that covered this story, I don't recall a single
person making a BYU - Utah connection to this story, except you. Unless you can name a specific person who said what you claim, I would say
you're trying to create a controversy where one does not exist. Think about this story and what happens when someone can't prove their
...and I agree with many of you that the girl's name should be publicized
and that she should be charged at least for slander.
How wonderful that charges have been dropped. He was clearly innocent from the
onset. Pretty girls oftenhave such massive egos. Hopefully all have learned
and grown from this nightmare. Thank God the pain was minimized by dropping the
charges. I guarantee you the coach was as innocent as a new baby who gave his
mother an appreciative smile and she went to the authorities over it in case the
baby had ulterior motives. It's just that ridiculous!
So sad that this had to be printed before the investigation. Teachers have a
hard enough life with this. The girl's identity should also be published,
She was the dishonest one, and he does the suffering!
unfortunately..his name will never be "cleared". Having taught in high
school for nigh on to 25 years..I've seen this thing happen more than a few
times. Some kids are always looking for an easy way out..Happened to my brother,
a Seminary teacher..and it could happen to any of us..
This happens more than people know. I have a close friend who had his teaching
career destroyed by a false accusation. Nothing ever happened to the girl, but
he was a good teacher and his life was ruined. He too was never prosecuted, but
the state put a substantiated abuse hit on his permanent record so he could not
get a teaching license again.I hope this coach has a good support
group. He will need it after this. I am also a little angry at the
media. They pick up a story like this, publish the accusation, then the comments
on these boards light up with people who have already condemned him. I remember
a few days ago when the comment boards were filled with people who had already
marked this guy as guilty. Maybe the media should wait to publish such a story
until they know if charges are going to be filed. This coach will now forever be
under the suspicion of the public.
I'm happy to read that Coach Lyman was exonerated. However, as other
writers have previously expressed, his life has been forever changed. How
unfair and intolerable! Where do young people get the distorted ideas that they
can manipulate adults with false accusations of supposed abuse? What kind of a
society do we live in? I have taught in public schools for several years, and
so, I know something about how adolescents think. My question is, "Does
this type of manipulation go on with Mom & Dad, so therefore, the adolescent
thinks, "well, it works at home, why NOT at school!" Parents, supervise
your childrens' TV viewing and be examples of the virtues you want to
instill in them. Too much unacceptable behavior is presented in the media, and
maybe that is where some of this anti-social behavior originates. I agree, the
coach has already paid with his reputation being questioned. What about the
accuser? What will be her punishment? Too bad, we did away with the stocks!
I'm for you, Coach Lyman! Hold your head high, and walk on!
No charges? Huh. This after the Deseret News served as judge, jury, and
executioner? JP Skillet - please explain how "Desnews has shown
integrity and dignity". If you'd been accused of something you were
innocent of, would you want the DesNews to publish your name, picture, and the
accuser's side of the story? I doubt it. "Dignity" and
"Integrity" would have exercised restraint, which the DesNews did not
good thing. i told you it would play out. Desnews has shown integrity and
dignity by reporting everything. Hopefully he didn't do anything but
we'll have to see. She probably made it up but obviously there is no
evidence for a criminal thing. His name will be cleared no doubt about that.
I have a friend who had his teaching/coaching career destroyed by a false
accusation. The bad thing is he actually did six months at the Point of the
Mountain before he was exonerated. No legal action was taken against the girl
who accused him of misconduct. Another friend of mine shortly after taking a job
teaching high school P.E. had two female students approach him and tell him they
weren't going to participate and he was going to give them an A. He
chuckled and told them that's not how it works. To which they replied they
would tell school administration he had done inappropriate things with the first
girl and the second one witnessed it. This friend was a bit luckier as he wasted
no time and contacted the principal immediately and told him exactly what had
happened and the girls were removed from the class. Just like with other things
many young people only think for the here and now. They rarely think about how
their decisions will affect them and others in the future or long term.
Somebody should be expelled, grounded and forced to attend counseling. Happy for
coach.. let's see what you can do with your own staff and players! Go
Pathetic. This man has already suffered severe verbal abuse from the public. If
it was truly all a lie, the girl or whoever perpetuated it must be punished. It
is sick to think that there is such little regard for a person or their family.
Punish the girl or whoever the liar is!
pete 1215, when did you come to the conclusion that the media needs enough
information before putting something out there?
A decision to not file charges does not necessarily mean the girl is lying, it
could mean they do not feel they can get a prosecution with the evidence they
have. It will be interesting to see how the D.A. phrases his decision not to
pursue a prosecution when he makes his formal announcement. If he says somehting
along the lines of "not enough evidence for a prosecution", or "we
didn't feel we could convict him with what we had", then you will know
they think he probably did it and they simply aren't confident they can
prove it to a jury. If he says "we found no merit in the allegations" or
something along those lines we will know they think the entire charge was
false.If the charge is false then something needs to be done to the
girl for making a false charge like that. This guys life has been changed
forever by this. No matter if he didn't do it there will always be people
that will doubt him. If it is false it is as terrible a thing as can be done to
If he had inappropriate contact with a female student, whatever that means
because there are no specifics in this article, then he should be charged. But
there are so many vindictive people out there who make false accusations such as
this for a multitude of reasons. This should be a two way street. If someone
accuses another of inappropriate behavior and is proved to be a liar, then
charges should be filed against that person. That poor coach is going to be
scrutenized because of her allegations and his life will never be the same.
That female should be punished for ruining that coach's reputation.
There is not enough information in these stories to make any conclusions. We
don't know what happened. We don't know what was alleged. We can
draw no conclusions.
This reminds of an incident that happened in another school in Utah. A girl
cried wolf on a teacher because she didn't get the grade she felt she
deserved. That poor teacher ended up losing his job and then left this state.
Something definately has to be done about these selfish students who cry wolf on
these teachers..because if nothing happens then teachers lives will keep on
Good Human Resource Management practice demands that you always protect the
accused -- as well as the accuser.This pattern of 'playing the
sexual harassment card' is a classic ploy that the HRM profession warns its
members to be sensitive to in protecting people against life-destroying claims
that are made against them.Shame on the School District for bungling
how this whole issue was handled. Anyone with a brain in the HRM business knows
that, although zero tolerance is the standard, you always protect the accused as
well until you know ALL the facts.
The media and school district owe this guy ------ huge! .......They lynched him
before they even knew he was guilty.... His life, career, relationships will be
negatively impacted for a very long time. He deserves to be compensated -- big
This is not "the" story. "The" story is what
is going to happen to the girl(s) for crying "wolf". A precedent for
fibbing of this type must be established NOW! You can't mess people's
lives up like this. It poisons people's minds against the coach - right or
I feel so sorry for this guy and his family. What a horrible thing to go
This should have been the FIRST news story in this episode; NOT the
"breaking news" last week that accused him of underage shenanigans. The
local media is reckless in its disregard for truth and fairness--they're
basically the National Enquirer who don't care what personal tragedies may
come from pre-mataure, clumsy "reporting" as long as it's salacious
and makes people buy the paper or click on the story.
If he is guilty then nail him to the wall. BUT if he is not and the girls are
just trying to get back for something then they need to be charged with
something serious and kicked out of school. A message needs to be sent either
way. Teachers can not do this and students can not make up stories. Looks like he is not guilty but I hope the truth comes out and they take care
of the guilty party.
This is the one of the hazards of teaching: false accusations from students who
are experiencing difficulties in their lives. I surely hope he will be able to
recover from this terrible event. It's every school employee's worst
It would be nice if they came right out and said she was lying.