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  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    April 26, 2012 3:46 p.m.

    esodije you are absolutely right.
    BYU clearly has the advantage. They can schedule WAC teams anytime they want to fill their schedule.
    Utah does not have as many options.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    April 26, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    BYU will always be operating at a slight disadvantage when it comes to football, simply because the sport requires more great athletes than the school, with its honor code, can easily attract. For that reason alone, I consider it a foolish notion for BYU to join a BCS conference--especially the Big 12 or the Big East, which may not always be AQ leagues. (On the other hand, I don't remember the Arizona schools' having very many great football teams since joining the Pac 8/10/12 way back when; I'm not sure what the advantage is, outside of having a few more dollars, of being a perennial big-conference doormat.) I'm sure I'm not the first one to say it, but Utah's being invited to join the Pac 10/12 is reminiscent of Barack Obama's winning the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009; both came about more as a reward for not being someone else (Obama for not being George W. Bush, Utah for not being BYU) than for any other reason.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    April 25, 2012 10:10 p.m.

    How would BCS overhaul impact BYU?' Well not at all.
    When you aspire to play in the Armed Forces or Poinsettia Bowl. You are not a BCS topic of conversation.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    April 25, 2012 9:28 p.m.

    Well there you go folks. Apparently junior got left out of the meeting. LOL!!!
    Notre Dame gets the invite as a more relevant independent.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    April 25, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    "I do not wish to go back and look through Chris B comments, but she's not a Ute. She intentionally makes comments that will stir the pot."

    Ok, how about you look at Ute articles? Chris B is a Ute! You're in denial. I started looking at some Ute football articles and here are some Chris B comments:

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Utah oregon pac 12 championship. Mark it down! Asu is going down tonight! Go cougars(washington state)
    7:51 p.m. Nov. 12, 2011

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT
    CougfanTX,

    Considering he's only been playing football a few years, sounds like tons of potential.

    And I've never once said anything about only 4 star athletes. Whittingham is known for finding diamonds that not all people recognize. You are completely wrong in quoting me.

    Welcome aboard!
    3:15 p.m. Dec. 12, 2011

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT
    I knew this would be gimme game, already up ten. Great weather here! I will sing the byu fight song if we lose this game. Lol. 27 to 10 mark it down!
    5:50 p.m. Nov. 5, 2011

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 25, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter

    Is there anything that does not resonate with you in regards to Chris B's recent comments on this story.

    Yep, I thought so.

    Bazinga!

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    April 25, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    "You are also the single biggest troll on here" I wonder if you appreciate the irony of your comment. I doubt you get it, but you're calling the kettle black. Also, your comment about a faker knowing a faker.....How do you know I'm a faker, unless you are also a faker?

    I do not wish to go back and look through Chris B comments, but she's not a Ute. She intentionally makes comments that will stir the pot. She makes the sunday school boy, racist, BCS, Rose Bowl comments and you fall for it every time.

    Ignore her and she goes away. Yet, you continue to feed the beast over and over and over again. Why?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    April 25, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter,

    If you ever have enough free time to do so, and if you ever have a true desire to know whether or not Chris B is a Utah fan, I would encourage you to look back at BYU comment boards for the past few years and read Chris B's comments. Having read many of Chris B's comments myself, I can tell you that Chris B is a Utah fan, not a BYU fan. You can trust me or go look for yourself.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 25, 2012 3:33 p.m.

    @duckhunter hunter

    Now you have possibly dozens of screen names. You and I both know this. I won't boor everyone listing them but there are many of them. You are also the single biggest troll on here, bar none. Your assertion that christina b is a BYU fan masquerading as a utah fan is laughable despite the fact that if anyone on here knows a fellow faker it should be you.

    It would make no sense whatsoever for a BYU fan to post in the manner christina posts. I understand your desperation to try and convince people of that, christina is the 2nd biggest embarrassment on here after you and having the two biggest embarrassments is, well, embarrassing, but it just isn't the way you want to pretend it to be.

    Sorry, chirstina is a ute "fan" and so are you.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    April 25, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    17-14 Hurts Don't It?

    Thanks for calling out one of your own. Chris B is not a Utah fan. She's a BYU fan masquerading as a Utah fan. What's funny about her posts is not the content as much as how often gullible BYU fans, like yourself, fall for it.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    April 25, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    Christina

    After losing to Colorado and coming up 4-5 in your 'big boy' conference you have a lot to crow about.

    Mediocrity is your BFF.

    Please let us know when you find a 'legacy' in the next 50 years like BYU's.

    P.S. We will be fine

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    April 25, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    I heart Chris B, the BYU fan masqeurading as a Utah fan.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    I love the BCS, my BCS membership, BCS wins, BCS bowl games, BCS quality athletes, and BCS quality respect.

    I heart the BCS

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    April 25, 2012 7:24 a.m.

    @News for U:
    Being a Cougar fan my whole life, I'm fully aware of the Cougars coaching pipeline and where they've come from. My comment was aimed at Chris B for the comment he made on BYU not having a BCS quality coach....In which I reponded that if he thinks the Utes have one...then you'd better pay attention to where he come from.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    April 25, 2012 2:20 a.m.

    "anti BCS
    Anaheim, CA
    Just like ABC/ESPN did last year, the big networks will completely ignore Utah; the Utes will be shuffled off to the subscription-only conference network where only diehard PAC 12 fans will be watching."

    -------

    And that's 100 percent fine by me, and many other Utah fans.

    I couldn't care less how many people are watching Utah play. Just as long as I get to see it. If we do well, we will see blanket national coverage when the time comes (like 2008). I, for one, certainly DON'T want to see Utah on national TV if we lay an egg versus Florida State (like you did) or TCU or even Notre Dame (like we did). Would you?

    Why are so many BYU fans so concerned with the number of people watching their games?

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    April 25, 2012 2:16 a.m.

    Nobody is trying to say Utah has everything BYU has. We don't. We don't have near the fan base. We don't have quite as much national recognition. We don't have our own TV network. We don't have fans who travel well all over the country. We don't have a huge conglomerate like the church backing us with millions upon millions of dollars.

    But what we do have is... a very competitive BCS-certified football program, tremendous recent success, a windfall of new money, tens of thousands of great and supportive fans, and a power conference that represents us when it's important (e.g., the current situation with new postseason play).

    I think I speak for a great many Ute fans when I say that we are pretty happy with what WE have got.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    April 24, 2012 11:24 p.m.

    Just like ABC/ESPN did last year, the big networks will completely ignore Utah; the Utes will be shuffled off to the subscription-only conference network where only diehard PAC 12 fans will be watching.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    April 24, 2012 9:28 p.m.

    @ antiBCS

    "If by "national TV", you mean almost every Utah game will be televised on a subscription-only PAC 12 Regional Network, you are correct".

    You are misinformed! Apparently you didn't hear the announcement from commissioner Larry Scott when he announced the Pac-12 networks. He said "Every football and men's basketball game will be televised nationally on ESPN, Fox, or the Pac-12 national network". The regional networks are focused more on woman's sports and other Olympic sports. Your comment is a desperate attempt at down playing Utah's success and our new conference. Go enjoy your late night IndyWACing schedule!

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    April 24, 2012 9:21 p.m.

    @ Bluto

    "BYU does it their way, and Utah follows and does whatever the Elites of their Conference tells them to do".

    If Independence is soooo great! If only certain schools with a so called "large national fanbase" like BYU can go independent. Then why doesn't the likes of USC, Texas, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Florida, ect. Go independent? They all have huge national fan bases and are perfectly capable of going independent and negotiate their own TV contracts. Why don't they go independent?.....Because those schools know the benefits of conference affiliation with a set schedule in a BCS conference and have access to play for a national championship. Look at Notre Dame! They've been irrelevant since the BCS was formed! If they're struggling, BYU has no chance at making it as an independent even if they do perform better than Notre Dame. That's sad, but true!

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    April 24, 2012 9:01 p.m.

    PAC 12 whipping boy U

    "The Utes will be playing on national TV every game!"

    If by "national TV", you mean almost every Utah game will be televised on a subscription-only PAC 12 Regional Network, you are correct.

    With all that money, the Utes should be expanding RES any day now, if Dr. Hill wasn't worried about wasting $ millions on an expanded stadium filled with fans disguised as empty red chairs - sound familiar?

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 24, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    #1 SLC Sports Fan

    Wishful thinking on the part of a BYU-hating troll. Even with a WAC heavy schedule, which ends this year, Independent BYU still drew over 150 THOUSAND more fans to LES than PAC 12 Utah drew to RES, or an average of 15 THOUSAND more fans per game. And that doesn't even consider the vastly superior national television audience for every BYU game.

    Bottom line is ESPN is VERY PLEASED with their partnership with BYU; it's only our jealous little brothers who are displeased.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    April 24, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    @ Bluto

    Don't forget Utah will make an extra 8-10 million for the Pac-12 networks which launches in August. The 20 million is for the Fox and ESPN deals.

    The Utes will be playing on national TV every game!

  • #1 SLC Sports Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2012 7:22 p.m.

    If BYU doesn't receive an invitation to the Big 12, or the LDS Church leadership turns down such a bid, I see BYU dropping its football program VERY soon. They simply won't get the schedule they had hoped for as an independent, and they only have roughly one third of the fan base of Notre Dame. Bottom line is ESPN will back out of the deal or just will make it clear it won't be renewed.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 24, 2012 6:31 p.m.

    54 IQ

    "Overhaul won't have any impact on BYU football since no matter what they decide, it is still about wins against BCS opponents."

    Unfortunately for U, it's not just about wins, it's also about losses to BCS opponents like #107 Colorado, which is why a 4-5 PAC 12 team like Utah doesn't get a single vote in the Top 25, while an independent like BYU, that almost never loses to bad teams, is a perennial Top 25 team.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 24, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    @Duckhunted

    Chris Hill stated on the Grodon Monson show that utah will recieve 15 million dollars per year for tv and won't reach 20 million until the backend of the contract. It's front loaded.

    Regardless, the fact remains that Utah is not being seen on "National TV" and BYU is.
    Recruits notice these things.

    BYU is making 15-20 million on TV, all sports, now.
    It's a different model. BYU has the capacity to market itself with it's own Brand.

    Utah must ride the Coat-Tails of others. That's ok.

    BYU does it their way, and Utah follows and does whatever the Elites of their Conference tells them to do.

    Remember also, utah still has 3 more years before they reach full TV shares, while Colorado came in with full shares right off the top.
    That's gotta hurt!

  • News For U Sandy, Utah
    April 24, 2012 4:55 p.m.

    @ Pugman

    "Utah fans know....just ask them. And if you want to talk about the quality of coaches.......yours come from BYU. He learned it in Provo....that's gotta hurt".

    LOL! Ok.........Where did BYU get their coaches from?

    LaVell Edwards - Utah State
    Norm Chow - Utah
    Bronco Mendenhall - Oregon State

    That's gotta hurt!

  • Duckhunted highland, utah
    April 24, 2012 4:51 p.m.

    Yes your right Bluto 6 million a year vs the Utes 32 million a year....Seams like that's break even!!

  • Duckhunted highland, utah
    April 24, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    Broom Hockey,
    Talk about sports you know about!! Like Broom Hockey. Let the adults talk about major college athletics! Please take IndianaCoug's advise. It's ok to be the WAC champion every year until you go intramural in football!!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 24, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    @Chris B

    Your comments have the maturity and intellectual capacity of a 10 year old.
    The only thing missing is nanner nanner nanner.
    C'mon now, raise your game.

    ESPN want's BYU and pays them millions...
    Tune in again ths Fall for all their games but one, on ESPN.

    We'll look for your utes on kjzz or root.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2012 4:26 p.m.

    Overhaul won't have any impact on BYU football since no matter what they decide, it is still about wins against BCS opponents. BYU doesn't do enough of that.

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    April 24, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    Utah fans know....just ask them. And if you want to talk about the quality of coaches.......yours come from BYU. He learned it in Provo....that's gotta hurt.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Alpine, UT
    April 24, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    "Do you seriously believe that BYU has the fan base of Notre Dame?"

    If you read my comment I did not say that BYU had the fan base that Notre Dame does. I said it almost has the fan base that Notre Dame does. BYU has a national fan base like Notre Dame. It does not have a regional fan base like the pac 10.2.

    I believe that BYU has a brighter future than utah in all respects (fan base, TV contract, athletes, coaches, facilities, etc.). Ver few, if any, who step back and look at things objectively can make a contrarian case.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2012 2:46 p.m.

    It could shake out 100 different ways, but all scenarious have one constant:

    No one wants byu.

    You are not a BCS quality program.

    You do not have BCS quality athletes.

    Yo do not have BCS quality coaches.

    Truth hurts

  • Bubble Boy Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    Golly! Why did they invite Notre Dame but not BYU? There must be some mistake. We are the BYU of the west. Maybe Tom Holmoe is there but they didn't mention BYU because it was assumed that everyone knows we are the Notre Dame of the west? We are a top tier athletic institution just like Florida, USC and Notre Dame. I know it's true because Tom Homoe said so.

    We will be part of the new BCS! We will have access. We will win another NC, this time against a real opponent who deserves to be there!

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    April 24, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    RE: Broom Hockey Champ

    "has a fan base almost as big as Notre Dame."

    Why are you inviting trolls to comment. While I hope BYU one day gains the National respect that ND commands we are far from there at the present. Fortunately, as you point out, we are consistent top 25 finishers and the future looks bright. I hope that changes are actually made in the BCS, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

  • MESOUTE SLC, UT
    April 24, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    Broom Hockey:
    Do you seriously believe that BYU has the fan base of Notre Dame? Comments like these do so much to show how truly out of touch so many in Provo really are. Not to mention your subsequent assertions.

    Personally, I am finding it extremely hard to believe that Tom Holmoe was not invited to these meetings. Did he at least receive a courtesy call?

  • Broom Hockey Champ Alpine, UT
    April 24, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    I could see BYU receiving a similar arrangement to that of Notre Dame in this round of negotiations. After all, BYU finishes in the top 25 every year (something ND can't boast), has a fan base almost as big as Notre Dame, has its own, exclusive ESPN TV contract, has BYUtv. I could keep going but you catch the drift.

    Once it happens, BYU will secure its foothold among the upper crust of college football while our lil' band o' transfers struggles to be anything more than the doormats of the pac 10.2.