@coleman51you cant expect everyone to produce on their rookie
year...JJ Redick turned out to be a solid player...not a superstar...not an
all-star but a solid player...tanking isnt the option...tanking is the option of
the weak willed...Oklahoma City...was an exception...they got lucky...so did San
Antonio...they got lucky with Tim Duncan...and also i think the mix of young and
old is good...you can never count the veteran's off...unless its CJ
Miles...look at San Antonio...bunch of Old Guys...with good solid young
players...next year i think we would see where the team would be heading...and i
sure hope that Corbin plays them right...and we keep our young core intact...
Shaybo, Corbin has been reluctant to play Milsap at the 3 thinking he can't
defend smaller quicker threes. I agree with you though that he causes more
matchup problems for them with his size and strengh than they ever cause for
him. Good observation. We need to go with what works. That is the lineup of
Jefferson, Favors, Milsap, Hayward and Harris. ( Tinsley works here but we need
him to keep the second unit running smoothly.)Go Jazz!
When I talk about players that will make a difference on the Jazz roster, I am
thinking of Perry Jones III or possibly Terrence Jones. Kendall Marshall or
Damian Lilliard are not even remotely the level of athleticism that is necessary
to make any difference on any pro team. Look at Jimmer and what a bust he
became. We have good athletes on the Jazz roster but they are all young players.
In the long term, we are better off getting young, athletic players that will
learn to play together. The older players occupy space and time from these
younger players and need to go so we can develop as a team that will eventually
compete for a title, like Oklahoma City.
Good news though, in spite of Warriors making sure their top 3 players were
either traded or on a bogus injury list, they actually won tonight. I'm
sure owners are gnashing their teeth. Toronto and New Jersey play both have 1
less win than GS and they play each other so one of them will have that win.
More than likely it will come down to a coin flip between the winner of that
game and Golden State for the 7th and 8th spots.
@ ColemanWrong again. You can't just throw players on the
court. That is what Charlotte is doing. They have lost 20 games in a row.
They are the worst team in NBA history winning percentage wise. The fact that
they are mixing vets with giving the young guys playing time will teach them
more than just throwing them out there and letting the young guys play 35 mins
per game. They are not getting handed playing time, they have to earn it. They
also have the vets to help show them the way. I do agree that Favors needs more
minutes. I think the way to do this unfortunately is to trade my favorite
player on the team, Millsap. His value is up and they can get some value back
for him. Either that, or he needs to embrace a 6th man role. Mixing young
players and vets isn't applicable? How do you explain Chicago then? Derrick
Rose is young, Noah is young, Taj Gibson is young, Jimmy Butler and Omar Asik.
They are all a big part of the team. Then you have Hamilton, Boozer, Korver,
Deng, and Brewer. That is a good mix right there.
@Coleman, playoff experience will make them winners? I don't see how the
experience of being swept in 4 or 5 games is going to launch them to an NBA
final and we will never get there as long as people are happy with barely making
it to the playoff's every year, and yes this is a great draft year
regardless of whether there is a Lebron or Koby in it, all but one or two of
last year's top ten would have been picked in the 10-20 range this year so
there will be a great player available when that last lottery pick rolls around.
If it boils down to trading for a pick to get someone we want in the draft guess
what, it's probably going to be Milsap because he is the only one on the
Jazz roster with the value to bring in a lottery pick.
@ coleman51The Warriors won tonight. If they win at home Tuesday night
against New Orleans, the Jazz have a good chance of getting their lottery pick.
If not, KOC just said the other day there are other ways to get into the
lottery. Also, like Jazzle Dazzle said, playoff experience for Hayward, Burks,
Kanter and Favors is invaluable. I also think the kind of players you want on a
future winner never play to lose.@ KakashiI think Hayward had the
flu or something...he did look extra tired. I agree with most of your comments
and there are other PGs the Jazz might go for in the draft, Kendall Marshall or
Damian Lillard to name two.
my general opinion when i watched the game...Hayward looks tired defending...but
he still gives his effort...Al Jefferson...is as usual a Liability on D...this
is Why the lineup of Al Jefferson Derrick Favors Paul Millsap Gordon Hayward and
Devin Harris works...its because Favors fills the defensive void that is Al
Jefferson...and with the hustle of Paul Millsap...it just clicks...Enes
Kanter...is developing well...i know he has range...and reliable also...the
key...to Jazz's success...would be signing...the young guns into long term
contracts...because they would be the backbone of our team in the
future...maybe...we could swing for a trade for a future pick? and get our
future PG in Myck Kabongo...
To Jazzledazzle: You can't develop young players unless you play them. The
old Jazz starters are mediocre at best and cannot bring the team to a higher
level. However, Corbin keeps playing them and give the younger players who
really do have athleticism and potential little time on the court. And besides,
getting swept in the playoffs is no step forward if we lose valuable lottery
picks that along with the rest of the younger players could take us to a higher
level. If you look at the draft overall, there is a higher number of players
coming out that have a level of athleticism than other drafts did not. One
supestar in a draft does not make it a deep draft. Look at Oklahoma City and see
what drafting young players and playing them does to a team. The old paradigms
about having a mix of experience and youth isn't applicable anymore. You
need young athletic players that really do play to make a championship team. The
old players have to be sacrificed to do this.
@ Coleman 51Just ask Charlotte, Golden State, Washington how well
tanking so that you can get a higher pick is working out for their franchise.
We already have 4 lottery picks on this team from the last two years. I would
rather develop them and turn them into winners. The Jazz cannot become a major
contender until these guys taste the post season and learn to play in big games.
Even if they get swept, it will be a big step forward. Also, this is not the
deepest draft in 10 years. There is no LeBron, D Wade or Durant in this draft.
Fans may be cheering that the Jazz have positioned themselves for a playoff
spot, but behind the scenes, this may turn out to be one of the most disastrous
seasons in Utah Jazz history. By securing a playoff spot, the Jazz will have
eliminated themselves from a first round pick in the upcoming draft, instead
ceding it to Minnesota. You might wonder about Golden State's pick? If the
Golden State Warriors have at least a tie for the seventh worst record, the Jazz
will not get that pick either. That will mean that the Jazz will have no first
round pick in the draft in what many are calling the deepest draft in a decade.
As far as building for the future, that will come to a dead halt. If the Jazz
want to make a play for a lottery pick, it will cost them considerably, meaning
giving up a valuable asset. Some starting players would have to go where
otherwise, we would have a much better option. Fans may cheer now, but they
won't be cheering when draft day comes.
The lineup that finished should be the starting lineup from here on in. I keep
hearing that the drawback to Milsap playing the #3 is that quick small forwards
cause a problem for him defensively but I think his size and inside game are a
much bigger problem for them.
@ B RussI noticed Kanter too. I hadn't seen a Jazz game in a while,
and he is definitely protecting the ball better as he goes up to the rim...and
he hit that jumper, too. Go Enes!
Good observation Scalman. I noticed too that when Tinsley and Favors came into
the game the slide stopped and we were able to get back in it. Kanter looked
very good in his 13 minutes as well. I hated to see him come out of the game
that quick when we were playing so well with him out there. The Pheonix
came will be awsome I'm sure with everybody getting up for that one. Go
Excellent win by the Jazz. We are seeing a lot of maturity coming from these
players. They are showing more poise in overtime and when they need to make big
shots. If Harris and Hayward are hitting the 3-ball in the playoffs, we will be
a tough team to beat. Personally I would prefer to play OKC over San
Antonio. I think we have a better shot at beating them.
Nice win Jazz! Let's take care of Phoenix and make some noise in the
The Jazz don't win this game without outatanding play by Tinsley and
Favors. Everyone else was just O.K. Orlando's Anderson, Richardson &
Nelsen were just too much for the Jazz to handle most of the night. One way or
another, Favors must play most of the fourth quarters going forward.
Trivia:1. I didn't see it discussed in the article (or on TV -
but I could have missed it) that the Jazz ensured yet another over 500 season
last night - which few predicted! I know it's not making the playoffs yet,
but it's not "chopped liver" either: This is something the Jazz
have done in all but four of the seasons since 1984 - and two of those four were
.500 even. I don't know how many NBA teams can make this claim of
consistency - whether small or large market.2. Also, whether the
Jazz are in or not, they can claim another distinction: Most teams have played
66 games. But when you add in the 13 overtime periods the Jazz have played in
their 7 OT games (65 minutes) the Jazz will have played (at least) a
(very-likely) league-leading 67 and a third!
Its been a fun season Jazz! Keep this level of play up, and you could be a big
time contender as soon as next year. Lakers getying old, Spurs getting old, and
the only real threats in the West are OKC, Clippers, and the Grizzlies. This has Been a year of Jazz basketball that I'll remember for a
long, long time. Go Jazz Go!!!!