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  • plyxply SLC, UT
    May 1, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    I'm going to laugh when Handley decides to go to USU where he'll get to play right away for a program who regularly puts more players in the NFL than does byu.
    Lotuleilei is also looking seriously at USU according to his coaches, although he'll likely end up at Utah.
    Cooper Bateman can choose where he'll play, although his senior season could be interesting given the problems Cottonwood is having with coaches.
    This will be another great year of high school football, can't wait to see these kids on the field come August. Handley will get a chance to shine when Alta plays defending national champ Don Bosco Prep at Rio Tinto in late Sept. If he does well there expect more schools to put their hats in the ring for his services.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    April 26, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    BYU = rear view mirror! Utah is in the big time!!!!!! GOOOOOOOO Utes!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 25, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    Your continued declaration that the Modern Era of College Football began in 1998 is a contrivation of your own mind. You do so in a feeble attempt to equate Utah's 2 BCS Bowl games with Generations of BYU's achievements and excellance.

    There is no short cut to gaining Legacy School Status. It must incorporate all facets of achievement. National Championship, Conference Championships, Consensus All-Americans, Heisman's, Outlands, Doak Walkers, Davey Obriens, Sammy Baugh's, Hall of Fame Players and Coaches. Super Bowl and NFL MVP's, Top25 finishes etc..

    Living in BYU's shadow for 40 years has been difficult for U fans. I know, my entire family are Ute fans. But even they admit that Utah's overall History will never equal BYU's.

    There are 4 sanctioned polls by the NCAA. The Championship is still a beauty contest determined by voters, as it has always been. The (BCS) Coaches Crystal Ball is awarded by the Coaches and the Grantland Rice and Macarthur Bowl trophies align with the Coaches.

    The AP writers, however, is still free to split the Champion as they have always been able to do. Which is what Utah hoped for in '08.

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    April 24, 2012 9:11 p.m.

    I am a ute fan that does not believe the next rivalry game will be a massacre... However, I am extremely confident that my utes will win. Add super-elite day to the list of pointless and embarrassing slogans from the mind of Bronco Mendenhall...

    Not that this has anything to do with the article, but every day I smile inside because Kyle Whittingham is on my side! He is clearly the better coach, and he is the reason I became a Ute fan (I loved him as a D-coordinator). No slogans, no hyperbole, no staring at nothing when reporters interview him. Whitt is the kind of guy who will look you in the eyes and have a sincere straightforward conversation with you... Something that Bronco might just be incapable of doing...

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 24, 2012 8:02 p.m.

    Mr. Duckhunter,

    "@Bluto

    Keep up the good fight brother. I'm a Bluto fan.

    @stg

    Relax big fella. You're better than most of these utah "fans". Don't let them influence you anymore towards classlessness."

    I appreciate the respect, I have a lot of respect for both schools and purely jest in good nature and don't mean for anything to come out "classless." But I am a fan of accuracy, and while Bluto has a few solid points in several arguments, an equal number is a combination of pure biased opinion and flat out fallacy, which I am happy to correct in the same tone it was presented... in good nature, of course, as always!

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    April 24, 2012 6:22 p.m.

    poyman
    Lincoln City, OR

    Have a shot at being numbered with the Alumni Elite that includes such names as: Hall of Famer, Steve Young; Superbowl Champion Quarterbacks Jim McMahon or Marc Wilson, Houston Oiler Great Gifford Nielson; or Heisman Trophy Winner and long time pro Ty Detmer; or Virgil Carter... The list goes on and on and if you become a star at BYU your name lives on in emphamy (i.e. McMahon to Danny Plater or to Clay Brown to win the 1980 Holiday Bowl on the last play of the games in national clip played millions of times; or Max Hall to to Collie or to Dennis Pitta or to Johnny Harline; and what about the heroics of Robbie Bosco limping back on to the field to engineer a game saving drive against Michigan for the National in Championship...

    -----

    Yet with all of those famous names, BYU is still looked upon as a mid-major.
    I can't think of another school that has produced so many star athletes that schedules WAC teams each year. And is not in a major conference after 40 plus years.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    April 24, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    @ Bluto

    "Again, 6 good years and a Whole Lotta' Bluster does not a Tradition make".

    Those 6 years got Utah into the "Conference of Champions". Where has BYU's so called "legacy, brand, and tradition" during the 70's and 80's gotten them?.....Still a mid-major with nothing to play for!

    "The National Champion is crowned the way it has always been....by polls....Nice try.
    After 2008, Utah fans should be more aware of this than anybody".

    Incorrect! The polls don't determine who is the national champion. The polls and computers determine who plays for the national championship and the winner of the top two teams is crowned. Your thinking back to 80's, typical! Back then it's whoever finishes the season #1 in the polls is crowned, now days its whoever wins the BCS championship game between the top two rated teams. Rarely before 1998 was their a #1 vs #2 match up during bowl games.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    April 24, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    @ Bluto

    "So now all the schools with History and Tradition are just beginning?
    Nothing up to now has counted at all?"

    So by your logic, storied programs such as USC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, ect. had no history before 1950? Those schools have won national championships and won Heisman Trophies before 1950. Are you saying those don't count because 1950 was the beginning?

    The modern era of college football began in 1998 when the BCS system was created and is still being used. Anything before 1998 is considered ancient because a national champion is crowned differently today than it was in the 70's and 80's. The BCS was created so that the #1 team plays the #2 team for the national championship. BYU fans such as yourself seem to be stuck in the old era where national champions were voted and not won in competition, which is why Utah and College Football is passing BYU by.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 24, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    @utah "fans"

    I'm not in the lawn care business although I certainly wouldn't mind if I was. Lotsa money in landscaping and lawn care, that's why people do it. But I am in the construction business and my particular trade does a lot of work on athletic facilities, it is a nice business to be in. Very nice.

    @Bluto

    Keep up the good fight brother. I'm a Bluto fan.

    @stg

    Relax big fella. You're better than most of these utah "fans". Don't let them influence you anymore towards classlessness.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 24, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    After reading all of these comments which have taken place over the past few days, I can honestly say I have never seen a group of fans so defensive as many of the Ute fans who posted here. Wow! If only their football program could perform half as good (consistently) as the smack these particular fans spew out, they would then be worth reading and believing. My apologies to the few Ute fans who actually displayed some class. But unfortunately most didn't. And yes, there are a few Cougar fans who also went overboard. But nothing to the level of these Ute posts as a whole. It's to the point you can't take anything they say seriously. (Watch for rebuttals.)
    After that last paragraph it will be hard for most Ute fans to believe I'm actually neutral with regard to both programs. But I am. I honestly wouldn't care which of the 2 programs my sons choose. Both have a lot of class. Too bad the same can't be said about the most vocal of their fan bases. Save any actual bragging until September. Last year's was an anomaly for various reasons.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 24, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    "Which team more recently finished in the Top 25 and had a "Consensus" All-American?
    Try to keep up."

    You mean actually earning a spot in the Top 25, not splitting the coaching and AP polls due to voter variability or top 5 teams not making one list, right? Because in that case, both schools had a Top 25 finish in 2009 as their most recent. As for the more recent consensus all american, does the name Louie Sakoda mean anything to you? Try to keep up.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 24, 2012 7:36 a.m.

    @Duckhunted
    Which team more recently finished in the Top 25 and had a "Consensus" All-American?
    Try to keep up.

    @BleedCrimson

    So now all the schools with History and Tradition are just beginning?
    Nothing up to now has counted at all?

    We see you working.
    This way, Utah is equivalent to all of them.

    Heisman Trophies, Outlands, National Awards (BYU has 17), All-Americans, Hall of Famers, National and Conference Championships, are all meaninigless now?

    Completely irrelelvant?
    This way, Johnny Come Lately Wannabee Schools (see Utah) with only Six Old Year Resume's, can back door their away into College Football's Elite and claim Equivalency, to schools with a legitimate Brand & Legacy?

    Nice Contortions.

    Ask Dave Brown or Lee Corso of ESPN which program has more "Stature".
    They know, boy do they know.
    Check with us in August when ESPN picks their Pac 10+2 National Games and then compare it to BYU's TV schedule.

    Again, 6 good years and a Whole Lotta' Bluster does not a Tradition make.

    The National Champion is crowned the way it has always been....by polls....Nice try.
    After 2008, Utah fans should be more aware of this than anybody.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    April 24, 2012 2:51 a.m.

    Have a shot at being numbered with the Alumni Elite that includes such names as: Hall of Famer, Steve Young; Superbowl Champion Quarterbacks Jim McMahon or Marc Wilson, Houston Oiler Great Gifford Nielson; or Heisman Trophy Winner and long time pro Ty Detmer; or Virgil Carter... The list goes on and on and if you become a star at BYU your name lives on in emphamy (i.e. McMahon to Danny Plater or to Clay Brown to win the 1980 Holiday Bowl on the last play of the games in national clip played millions of times; or Max Hall to to Collie or to Dennis Pitta or to Johnny Harline; and what about the heroics of Robbie Bosco limping back on to the field to engineer a game saving drive against Michigan for the National in Championship...

    Or, you could go to a place like Utah and play in front of an average crowd a little more than half of BYU's and try to get folks to perform at the level of some of the Utah heroes like "Alex Smith" and others ( I just can't think of their names.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    April 23, 2012 11:10 p.m.

    @ Bluto

    "The Modern Era of College Football began in 1950 (Not 2004) when Two Major Polls
    (AP-Writers & UPI-Coaches, began crowning College Football's Mythical National Champion".

    Incorrect! The modern era of college football began in 1998 when the BCS system was created. Anything before 1998 is considered ancient because a national champion is crowned differently than it is today.

  • Smack Jefferson City, MO
    April 23, 2012 7:50 p.m.

    Hey, Bluto. When you comment on a Utah article and say things like "U of U fans have to be the most insecure football fans on Earth" or "They obviously are constantly looking over their shoulders at all things BYU," you do see the irony, right?

    Oh, and that zinger you let fly--"Methinks they all protesteth too much"--was a really good one.

    Go UTES!

  • Amorphous Saint George, Utah
    April 23, 2012 6:26 p.m.

    How interesting.

    62 posts and less than can be counted on one hand that had anything to do with the article.

    Nice to see second generation players come around. Utah or BYU, if young Handley is anything like his dad it will be fun to watch him mature. To all the recruits, stay healthy this summer and fall and best of luck to you, where ever you decide to play.

  • Duckhunted highland, utah
    April 23, 2012 5:59 p.m.

    Please be nice to the BYU "fans". They only have the past to hold on to, since the future looks bleak!! As far as going to the Big 12 Conference, they laughed at you when you said we will grace your conference, but we want to keep our TV deal. Oklahoma. with a much better football tradition than BYU, can't demand that.It has absolutely nothing to do with Sunday play!! Get over yourself or you will be the new Ricks College!!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 23, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    "They have judged BYU to be a National Brand . . ."

    Bluto:

    You are so right. But so are Scrubbing Bubbles, Beano and Dulcolax. The Mothership is so impressed with your "brand" they are eager to set up late-night November matchups with Idaho and NMSU. It gives them a fighting chance to win their ratings war against "Golden Girls" reruns on TVLand.

    Face it, when it comes to a "National Brand", your cougars are the Tidy Cats of college football.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 23, 2012 4:39 p.m.

    @ JohnInSLC

    What's wrong with the Lawn Care Business?
    You simply need to stop obsessing on BYU and get a life.
    All your hooting won't elevate your Utes to where you think they belong in your minds eye.

    There is an objective player in all of these discussions.
    That is ESPN.

    They have judged BYU to be a National Brand, by sending millions BYU's way and putting them in Prime Time on the Blowtorch Network, 11 times last season.
    When they have a choice to do the same for Utah.....they pass.

    Enjoy Coat-Tailing the truely Elite Schools of the Pac 10,abt. half of the D-1 programs do the same thing with their Conferences.

    But make no mistake about it, Utah is the Wazzu-Northwestern-Vanderbilt etc. of the Pac 10, regarding Football.

    To Dream the Impossible Dream......Rose Bowl....see Arizona and remember Colorado....hee hee

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 23, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    "If you go back and read all the comments on this article you can see which set of "fans" immediately started to run down the other school and which group has far more posts doing it. It isn't even close."

    Ahh, it must be a slow day in the lawn care business. Ducky is at it again.

    It seems it's okay for HIM to exhibit, on Utah articles, the exact conduct he decries here. He posted 5 of the first 23 comments on yesterday's DNews article about Utah's spring game, running down the Utes with his vast knowledge of cougar football.

    "Do as I say, not as I do", huh Duckster?

    LOL!!!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 23, 2012 4:10 p.m.

    @utahcountyute

    The Modern Era of College Football began in 1950 (Not 2004) when Two Major Polls
    (AP-Writers & UPI-Coaches, began crowning College Football's Mythical National Champion.

    There are 4 "Official" NCAA Sanctioned Polls. In the History of College Football, only 19 Schools, have been crowned "Unanimous National Champions", ie...by Every NCAA sanctioned poll. And yes, one of those was BYU.

    You state that BYU argues "Ancient History" and yet, you include in U're winning percentages, the Leather Helmet Era, when 8 games were played per season and teams like West High School and the National Guard were on the U's schedule.

    You tout your Pac 10 little 2 admittance, and yet, virtually every Football achievement you name, took place in the WAC and MWC. None of Utah's achievements have taken place in the Pac.....None.

    You tout Niner Alex Smith. We counter with "Hall of Famer" Steve Young, who has had his Niner Jersey "Retired", been a Two-Time NFL MVP, and Super Bowl MVP.

    Over the last 30 years, far more Cougars have drawn NFL paychecks than have U.

    Legacy Programs are built over Generations, and not with 6 good years & Bluster.

  • fender Washington, UT
    April 23, 2012 1:36 p.m.

    Duck,

    Point taken. I will be the first to admit it's fun to joust with you and some of the other BYU fans, especially the ones who make an effort to understand the game and respond intelligently, but reading the same trash talk over and over is just annoying, regardless of who does it. Doesn't matter what the article is about, it will ultimately be hijacked by the diehards who have nothing fresh to say and know next to nothing about the game beyond the obvious. Sorry to rant, but there it is.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT

    Appears to be another slow day laying sod.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 23, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    @fender

    You are absolutely correct that we have all read those same stats 1000 times. But in this case they are relevant to the topic. In recruiting you are trying to sell your program to the kids you want to commit to you and the accomplishments of both programs are among the tools they use to do it. Bluto is correct about BYU telling kids they have a National Championship, Heisman, Outlands, Davey O'briens, All Americans, etc. Those are great national accomplishments the program should emphasize to recruits. Like wise utah should say they "are in the pac12, won a couple of BCS bowls, have players in the NFL," etc.

    Where it gets a little irritating is when the other schools accomlishments are run down by the opposing fans every single time. I personally think utah "fans" are far more guilty of this than BYU fans but it does go both ways. If you go back and read all the comments on this article you can see which set of "fans" immediately started to run down the other school and which group has far more posts doing it. It isn't even close.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    April 23, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    You need a time machine to see the last time BYU football was relevant.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    April 23, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    @Bluto

    Ummm Bluto PITT was a National Program and "Legacy". They have produced a Heisman and a NC along with other Notable National awards. My point? It doesn't matter what you did!!! Byu fans don't get that you are so tunnel visioned from the 80's and 90's that you have this perception that you are greater than you are. Fact is the Univ. of Utah has gone to 2 BCS bowls and won, not mention one vs a SEC powerhouse in the last decade. BYU football in present day is such a gimmick with trying to fit in and having their fan base jump ship when they lose a few games.

  • fender Washington, UT
    April 23, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    Bluto,

    Minutes you'll never get back? What about the rest of us? This is an article about recruiting...what you and the other diehards (on both sides) have said has been replicated 1000 times at least. If you have nothing new or meaningful to add, why not save your energy until you do? Please, bear in mind the shortness of life and move on.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    April 23, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    Bluto

    Been a while. We can play that game too.....

    623-428-31 All time record (59%)
    13-4 Bowl record (76%)
    24 Conference Championships

    In the modern era...

    -2 BCS Bowl wins
    -2 Undefeated seasons
    -#1 over-all NFL pick in Alex Smith
    -19 players currently in the NFL and growing by 3-4 this year (byu 11)
    -AFCA Coach of the Year 2008(Coaches)
    -Bear Bryant Award (NCAA Coach of the Year 2008)
    -PAC 12 Membership and a chance to play in the ROSE BOWL each and every year.

    You might want to list something from the modern era and the kids might listen. Ancient history really does not matter when you are recruiting kids that don't even know what a CD is, let alone an 8 trac. LOL

    Go Utes!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 23, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    Having spent a few minutes reading the comments here, minutes I will never get back....
    This much is perfectly clear....
    U of U fans have to be the most insecure football fans on Earth.
    Methinks they all protesteth too much.

    They obviously are constantly looking over their shoulders at all things BYU.

    When a recruit visits BYU....they will see, up close and personal..........
    A Heisman Trophy
    Outland Trophies
    Doak Walker Trophy
    Davey O'Brien Trophies
    Sammy Baugh Trophies
    National Championship Trophies
    (5 from '84, including the Coach's Waterford Crystal Trophy)
    23 Conference Trophies
    16 Consensus All-Americans
    60+ All-American's
    7 College Hall of Famers

    Utah has "Not-One" of these achievements on their Resume'.

    Add to this, that every BYU game is on National TV, 11 on ESPN last year alone.

    While Utah struggles to compete against the Wazzu's and Colorado's (ie Bottomfeeders) of the Pac-10 little 2, BYU will be playing the Notre Dames and Texas' of the World.
    As well as a few dogs every year, like every other major program.

    These are the differences between a Legacy Program with a National Brand (BYU) versus Pretending-Wannabee-Bottom-Feeders (Utah).....

  • fender Washington, UT
    April 22, 2012 7:24 p.m.

    And now back to the article...the top four 2013 recruits from Utah are Cooper Bateman, Lowell Lotuleilei, Logan Stott and Albert Tai. Stott's been committed to Arizona since 2011, but does anybody know who has the inside track with the other three?

  • Smack Jefferson City, MO
    April 22, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    Well, YGrad/YDad, I tend to agree that BYU's problems last season had their root in the handling of the QB situation. I thought Heaps was going to be a good QB after watching him play against Utah the year before. But he was a bust. Was the coaching to blame? (I mostly blame Mendenhall and his apparent ambivalence toward Heaps.) Did Heaps lose the confidence of his team? It's hard to say.

    I think a match-up at the end of the year would have been interesting. Both teams managed to beat their opponents, though I think Utah's opponent was a bit tougher. I like to think that Utah would have won an end-of-year bout against BYU, but . . . who can say? I tend to think Utah would have won, largely on the strength of its defense. Maybe the coming year can halfway answer the question.

    As for your prediction that BYU wins in the final moments . . . that would be poetic for BYU, considering how the last game at RES ended. But I'm counting on a Utah win. I think the Utes show up and win by a good margin.

    Go UTES!

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    April 22, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    I realize that the DN has certain policies on posts but it is unfortunate that someone can still get 'published' with material that consists of inaccurate opinions and blatant lies.
    1- All the Big 6 conferences meet recently and unanimously agreed not to extend an invitation to BYU.
    2- The BCS Bowls were going to ban BYU from eligibility. After discussing this for a few minutes they all agreed that there was no need for this resolution because there is no chance the Cougars could EVER qualify.
    3- BYU cannot compete with the U for any of the top in state recruits. In fact the only kids that committed to the Y did so because their parents forced them to rescind their verbal commitment to Coach Whit. All of them have sent letters of apology.
    4- Utah is the best athletic program in the state, followed by USU, and a third place tie included BYU.

    Of course any intelligent fan will realize that I made all of this up, have absolutely no facts to support my post, and used biased opinions. Difference is I admit this is fantasy and don't actually believe it.

  • Utes11 Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 22, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    BYU used to be better. But under the current Div 1 conditions you HAVE to be in a BCS Conference to compete for a National Championship. HAVE TO BE. No Independent will ever get a BCS game, let alone the Championship game. (Else why would the 'old boys' that run the BCS even have created the BCS system!) As it stands now, Baylor and Vanderbilt have a better shot at a BCS Championship than BYU does. It's been obvious at Ute spring practice that the level of player has gone up...and it needs to continue to go up to compete with USC and Oregon.
    if you are 17, do you want to go to a small private school and play Idaho State or a big state school and play USC, UCLA every year?
    the GAP in recruiting will continue to grow.BYU kids don't even have a Conference title to compete for. The U has a program for those kids that chose to go on a mission. BYU is destined to come back to the Mtn West with it's hat in it's hand and ask for membership. The Big 12 will NEVER take BYU

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    April 22, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    Correction: In regard to my last comment about "haves" and "have nots". BYU would be considered a "have not" not a "have" because they don't belong to a BCS conference.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 22, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    STuFOO, that was pretty much the most immature and misinformed thing I've ever read from either side of the argument.
    1. I don't know any Ute fans who claim we were the first choice for conference expansion because it's not true. Regardless, Utah is now a lasting figure in the PAC-12.
    2. Utah already has beaten out PAC-10 schools for recruits.
    3. Obviously more immaturity.
    4. Apparently you remember them. Dave Wannstedt and Nick Saban remember. Larry Scott remembers.
    5. BYU has never had 2 undefeated seasons. Utah actually has had 3, but one of them is ancient.
    6. I obviously have a different opinion, but I'll let the above speak for itself for others to make up their own minds. And if you want to speak "parameters," let's go back to your bowl game statement. BYU's bowl win pct: 40%. Utah's bowl win pct: 76.5%.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    April 22, 2012 12:48 p.m.

    @ STuFOO - continued

    "4. Your BCS wins aren't as impressive as you think they are (no one remembers them expect for you)"

    Says a Y fan whose team has never made a BCS appearance.

    "5. 2 seasons undefeated did not impress the voters (2 undefeated seasons for BYU voted them NC)"

    Again, coming from a Y fan whose team has never made a BCS appearance.

    Your comparing apples to oranges. The post season today is structured a lot differently from 1984. The system is set up for the "haves" and not for the "have nots" Which means Utah, Boise State, and TCU never had a chance to play for the title. Now Utah and TCU are "haves" and if they go undefeated again, they will most likely get a shot at the national championship. BYU is still a "have" and have no chance at the title nor the BCS.

    "*6. No matter how you butter it, you're still second in the state. (Any parameter you want)

    Not according to 54-10, 7 out of 10, 55-34-4 all in Utah's favor. Utah owns football in this state. BYU is now competing at Utah States level in recruiting and on the field.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    April 22, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    @ STuFOO

    "1. you were not the first choice for the PAC 10+2".

    Now finish your math problem: 10+2=?
    Answer: 12

    Bringing this up again? Utah was in regardless of how the Pac-10 expands. Texas A&M was going to the SEC and not follow Texas. That means Utah would be in as the 16th member.

    BYU was never considered.

    "2. You will never compete for top athletes that are considering other PAC 10 schools".

    You don't know that for sure! All Utah needs to do is win in this conference and they'll win their fair share of recruiting battles. Nobody in this conference wins all their recruits except maybe USC. If Utah can put 2 and 3 star players from the MWC into the NFL, imagine what they can do with their 3, 4, and maybe 5 star recuits?

    "3. You weren't invited to bolster anything in the conference. lapdog".

    Now your just having a tantrum. Utah and Colorado were added because the Pac-10 wanted to expand to 12 and have a conference championship game. Utah and Colorado fit the profile of Pac-12 schools as far as academics and athletics.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 22, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    In law school you are taught if you have a case - Argue the case. If you don't have a case - Argue the law. This article reveals so much! If you have a case - argue the case. If you want to "sell" your program show them a practice, show them the facilities, tell them your record, prove to them the opportunities to play at the next level, tell them how they can benefit from playing for a coaching staff that is rated number 1 in the nation for developing players; thowever, there is no need to tell them the advantages of playing in a BCS conference.

    On the other hand if you don't have a case show them your TV studio.

  • Mount Olympus Salt Lake, UT
    April 22, 2012 11:35 a.m.

    Re: STuFOO

    You said Utah was blown out in bowl games (yes plural).

    Yes, Utah did get beaten badly by a good Boise team. However, Utah has won 10 of their last 11 bowl games.

    Last time BYU beat Utah by more than a TD, was 1996.
    Utah beat BYU by 31 (2004), 24 (2008), and 44 (2011)

    Utah produces more NFL talent and better players than BYU.

    But hey, at least BYU was the Unofficial WAC champion last year. Bowl games against Tulsa and UTEP, who will it be this year?

    BYU is becoming more comparable to USU than they are to the U.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    April 22, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    u fans are always telling BYU fans they are delusional but...

    A u fan thinking that their football team is on the rise, is more delusional than any BYU fan. If you were to graph u's success since the last BCS win, it would definitely be a DOWNWARD graph with an upward spike beating BYU at home (but not a very big one since BYU is so irrelevant). There are huge downward spikes including blown out at bowl games, and being beat at home by Colorado with the conference championship game on the line.

    Stop lying to yourself...

    1. you were not the first choice for the PAC 10 +2.
    2. You will never compete for top athletes that are considering other PAC 10 schools.
    3. You weren't invited to bolster anything in the conference. lapdog.
    4. Your BCS wins aren't as impressive as you think they are (no one remembers them expect for you)
    5. 2 seasons undefeated did not impress the voters (2 undefeated seasons for BYU voted them NC)
    5. No matter how you butter it, you're still second in the state. (Any parameter you want)

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    April 22, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    Were I the Ute staff, I would simply take the recruits into a screening room and show them a tape of the fans dressed in blue hurriedly exiting the LES during the 3rd quarter of last years 54-10 humbling of the Cougars. I would say things like, "Now guys--this isn't speeded up video,----this is in real time. Yes, the stadium is actually emptying out this quickly. It's a bigger stadium than we have, but you'd be amazed at how quickly it can look like a ghost town. Look at that guy climbing over the other guys back to get out quicker! Yes--many of them seem to be sobbing as they are holding up their fingers to claim that they are really number one and this is all an illusion. Come to Utah-it's less confusing."

    54-10--and an insurmountable lead in the all-time series. Best choice?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    April 22, 2012 6:25 a.m.

    Gooooooooooo Utes!

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    April 21, 2012 11:19 p.m.

    Shaun wrote:
    Sandy, UT
    You could go to Byu and play Idaho state, San Jose State, Idaho, and New Mexico state or you could play USC, Oregon, UCLA, and Washington. Hmmm.

    Or you could play at BYU, be on Espn and get national exposure nearly every week and play: Washington State, Boise State, Oregon State, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech...Hmmm

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    April 21, 2012 9:35 p.m.

    Oh....if everyone in the universe were only half as smart as the ute fans....Must be that liberal, entitlement thinking!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    April 21, 2012 7:52 p.m.

    Utah is on the rise............BYU......who cares about them anymore. I am stoked for USC at RES and beating Colorado, our rival. Enjoy your wonderful November schedule Cougar fans!

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    April 21, 2012 6:36 p.m.

    ST0P THE HATE TALK! It's sickening. Same ole' thing post after post.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    April 21, 2012 3:23 p.m.

    National Coach of the Year
    vs.
    Roscoe

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 21, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    cont.

    Do I believe that the BYU by the end of the season could have beaten the Utah that did in fact destroy us? No.

    But do I believe that the BYU by the end of the season could have beaten the Utah from the end of the season? Yes.

    What do I think will happen this September? Oh I hope the Ute team thinks like some of it's fans that it will be a worse massacre than last September. I think it will be a whole different ball game. BYU will win in the closing moments, and Utah fans will continue to insist that BYU hasn't beaten anybody good.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 21, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    Nice responses guys. But I don't think so.

    Crowntown: Whit has 1, not two. The first one still belongs to that other guy.

    Rock: Hate to confess, but I can't say whether Whit let up or not. I quit about the same time the team did. But, buddy, if having a shot at the conference championship game and losing it to the worst road team AT HOME doesn't hurt just as bad, you're either lying or self anesthetizing.

    Dub45: You're telling me that two players made the difference between the team that ripped BYU's head off and played USC pretty even, and the team that choked against Colorado, then in the next breath tell me how your players across the board are bigger, better, faster, badder? I don't buy it.

    Smack: Ironic that the most reasoned response to my querry comes from someone called "Smack." I believe in a variation of the best game worst game theory. BYU was suffering a crisis of confidence at qb that culminated in the most embarrasing performace by a Bronco coached team. Ever.

  • Proud Ute ,
    April 21, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    "BYU’s function was made a very exclusive one by the Cougar staff — inviting only those recruits who held offers along with a few who are being considered."

    Hmmm..... sounds like Bronco worried about losing some of his recruits so he's bringing them in for a little pep talk and so they can submit their entry's for the slogan to put on this year's T-shirt.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    April 21, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    Fact is Coach Whit has 2 BCS wins as Bronco has zip. So he has taken Utah football to a place that Bronco and Byu have never been.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    April 21, 2012 11:33 a.m.

    Y Dad/grad losing by 3 to Colorado as wrong as it was is nothing like a 44 point beat down that would have been worse if Whit had not taken pity on the hapless Cougs. Just keeping it real.

  • Smack Jefferson City, MO
    April 21, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    Nah, YGrad/YDad, there's little reason to try and reconcile the team that smacked down BYU with the team that stuggled against and lost to Colorado. Sometimes you just have a bad game and you lose. That's what happened to Utah against Colorado. It sometimes happens that an inferior team beats the superior team. I'd be more worried by the loss to Colorado if Utah had also lost to all of its other PAC-12 opponents and to Georgia Tech in the Sun Bowl. Of course, as you know, Utah did not lose to all of its PAC-12 opponents (many of which were better than Colorado), and Utah did not lose to Georgia Tech. (Although, admittedly, it took everything Utah had to get the win against Georgia Tech!)

    The question BYU fans have to consider is this: Did BYU lose to Utah simply because BYU had a bad game? Did the inferior team win in the BYU-Utah game last year?

    I tend to think not. I'll grant that BYU played a bad game beneath its ability, but Utah had the better team.

    But either way, Utah won.

    So, bragging rights until September.

    Go UTES!

  • dub45 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 21, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    Y Grad,
    Its called playing against a senior class who has never won road game with all the fire and desire in the world. Its called losing one of the best running backs in the country in the second quarter. Its called having a JV quarterback without our whole offense(John White), so now we cant pass, or throw. Its called Coleman Peterson missing 3 field goals. We still lost the game which is no excuse, but with your All American caliber running back going down and in the 2nd quarter, your offense is limited. But just look what is happening. UTAH is becoming the better program, we are getting better athletes, and there is no way that you can argue against being independent/a member of the PAC-10. We will prove it to you in September

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    April 21, 2012 6:27 a.m.

    The hyperbole on both sides, as usual, is amazing. Fact is that both schools have a lot to offer kids in terms of quality football and a good education. Each recruit has different wants and each one has a different background that could be better served by one school or the other. I am the biggest Ute home there is but most of the posts make me laugh.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    April 21, 2012 5:31 a.m.

    Y Grad,

    It is easy to explain. It is called losing your starting quarterback. It happens all the time and it has enormous repercussions for teams that have this happen to them (I will never forget the heartbreak when Gary Sheide got hurt. I still believe BYU would have won that game had he played)

    Anyway, I am a BYU grad but a native Utahn. I was a big Lavell Edwards BYU fan. But now, Bronco and his players shooting off their mouths has been an embarrassment. I confess that what is going on at Utah with Kyle Whittingham (who played for Lavell and a true heir of his greatness) is much more exciting to me. Sure, BYU is on national TV playing Idaho but I can't bring myself to watch more than ten minutes. I mean, how exciting is it to see BYU run up and down the field like it was a track meet? I sincerely hope that BYU gets into a good conference (rumors of the BIG 12 are surfacing again). Until then, there is no contest as to which program is better and more exciting.

  • RedUte MAPLE VALLEY, WA
    April 20, 2012 10:39 p.m.

    The gap in recruiting between Utah and BYU is only going to grow. With the current state of BYUs independence status, Utah will continue to sway the top recruits their way. BYU is on the verge of becoming a D2 program and while their dillusion convinces them that they have nothing to worry about, reality is going to smack them quickly into realizing theyre in serious trouble. ESPN is also going to grow very tired of their weak schedule and will program their games appropriately.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 20, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    @Y Grad / Y Dad

    No explaining it?

    Of course there is... our new rival is simply a more worthy opponent than our old rival.

    When your rival quits competing (54-10)... well... the rivalry is over.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    April 20, 2012 9:06 p.m.

    Re: Y Grad / Y Dad

    Who cares about conference championships though?
    Isn't it everyone's goal to play Idaho in November?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 20, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    Ute fans, talk a good fight, finish middle of the PAC. You got scoreboard, yuck it up, see you in September. If I were U, though, I'd spend a little more quiet time trying to reconcile the team that totally humiliated their rival in their rival's house with the same team that got hosed at home by the worst college road football team in the universe. When a shot at the conference championship was within grasp.

    There just is no explaining it.

  • hymn to the silent Holladay, UT
    April 20, 2012 8:28 p.m.

    Southern Cougar:

    Nice try, but I look at Nielsen ratings everyday. As Uteology pointed out, you don't. Academic achievement = GPA. Utes are higher, something "that concerns Bronco." And no, I'm not a BYU hater...I have actually been employed there in my long media career. But I got a much better education at UofU than I would have gotten South; mostly because of the program I chose. I just find it interesting that BYU folks can't accept the achievements of the good people on the hill. BYU is a fine place to get an education; it's a very different experience from what you get at the U. So let's stop with all the hyperbole.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 20, 2012 8:28 p.m.

    So at what point in the process do the players recruit BYU?

  • UtahBronco Lehi, UT
    April 20, 2012 6:37 p.m.

    @ hymn to the silent 1:44pm:

    Re: your claim that Boise State is among schools lowering academic expectations -
    Fyi - * last year NCAA recognized that BSU's multiyear APR was in the top ten percent of all FBS
    schools.
    * Coach Petersen has the best APR average the past two reporting years for all FBS head
    coaches.
    Now I'm not saying that BSU is the academic equivalent of U of U but how many Ute football players are enrolled in law or medical school? I know it must be frustrating that your Utes cannot hold a candle to the Broncos on the football field. But if you must resort to snobbery re: academics at least do your homework.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    April 20, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    STuFOO,

    When I read your post, I though at first you were joking. Then I realized that you were serious about boasting of playing in front of 60,000 (where were all of these fans during the 2nd half of the Utah demolition of BYU last year?) Also, how exciting is it to play against the lower tier of the WAC for half of your schedule? And how is your uncertainty as an independent, with nothing to play for, something to brag about? Yes, you do have some nice HD facilities to broadcast your games with, but is that really your whole selling point as a football program? Ouch.

    Compare that to playing in one of the premier conferences in college sports, a conference with more NCAA championships than any other conference, including the SEC. With the upcoming TV agreements that the PAC 12 has signed worth multi-millions for the Utes, coupled with the chance at playing in the Rose Bowl or national championship each year, I'd say that there really is no competition any more between the two schools.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    April 20, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    Did Jake Heaps speak to the recruits in Provo today?

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 20, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    SoCal Reader, that's exactly what I was thinking. If I was Bronco, I would be embarrassed having everyone know one of my elite recruits couldn't reschedule a picnic to attend an annual recruiting function.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 20, 2012 4:31 p.m.

    My, they sure are in love with their TV facilities there in Provo. Did the "Super-Elite" recruits get to sit behind the wheel of the HD truck, too?

    And just what WERE the viewer ratings for those November late-night games against Idaho and New Mexico State? I suspect it was everybody that had left LES or had tuned in after the Sham-Wow infomercial was over.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 20, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    So a recurit that is part of BYU's “Super Elite Day” is only getting "interest" from Utah.

    Ummm, intersting!

    @southerncougar: "You better check your numbers again. Nielson ratings on all BYU televised games were much higher over the past 5 years except for the Alabama game."

    TV Ratings:

    Utah-GT 2.71
    BYU-Tulsa 1.43

    Utah-Boise 3.26
    BYU-UTEP 1.82

    You welcome!

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    April 20, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    You could go to Byu and play Idaho state, San Jose State, Idaho, and New Mexico state or you could play USC, Oregon, UCLA, and Washington. Hmmm.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    April 20, 2012 3:48 p.m.

    "BYU’s Super Elite function." I love my Cougs, but how many "Super Elite" signees do they get? I'm guessing a "Super Elite" would be a 4 or 5-start recruit. That actually made me laugh when I read it.

    Also "Harrison had to leave the function shortly after the tour of the building due to a family commitment." I appreciate the blow-by-blow detail of the entire day, but was this detail needed?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 20, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    "Nielson ratings on all BYU televised games were much higher over the past 5 years except for the Alabama game"

    Southernkewg,

    Hmmm, sounds like you have some top secret Nielsen rating information not shared with the general public. Would you mind sharing some of the data regarding bYu's bowl game viewership?

    I wait for your response....this should be good.

  • Ares Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 20, 2012 2:37 p.m.

    BYU pitch:
    Come play in the WAC conference unofficially. We are pre-season national champions with "loads of talent" in their own ways. We have a cool shirt with the slogan of the year for you every year you are on the team. The players need to be either white or mormon.

    Utah pitch:
    Rose bowl possibility every season. Yet, even national champion possibilities aren't impossible as a member of a BCS conference. The players are top quality athletes. Kyle Whittingham has won coach of the year, amazing bowl record, Big 10 team every year starting soon.

    I wonder.

  • southerncougar Knoxville, TN
    April 20, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    Hymn to the silent. You better check your numbers again. Nielson ratings on all BYU televised games were much higher over the past 5 years except for the Alabama game. How many times was Utah televised last year? Yes, I hear silence in the Hymnal. How many times will Utah be televised this year? Maybe once or twice if networks want to televise the might Pewks against USC, Oregon or ASU. Also, graduation rates for BYU are also higher and you need to do a little better research on that end. You forget that BYU has more RMs and that number does count against the statistics over a 5 year period which is how the GSR is calculated. BYU has actual GSR rate of 86 vs Utah The NCAA does mention that as well in the defined parameters.

    One Big Correction, CHRIS B. BYU does have an undefeated season and of course, a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

  • raisedaute Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 20, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    Just kind of wondering how many fans they were playing in front of from the 3rd quarter on, on 9/17/11 it definitely wasn't 60K lol.
    Wonder how much those recruits will also like the November schedule of high school teams...

    Utah current NFL players 25 per ESPN
    Byu current NFL players 11 per ESPN

    Hmmm recruits if you want to play at the next level you know where to play college ball. UTAH

  • hymn to the silent Holladay, UT
    April 20, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    Academic achievement by Utah athletes is ranked higher than BYU by the NCAA. Love that Kyle puts so much emphasis on academics and life after football rather than the vanity (TV exposure) of being an athlete. Incidentally the U games this year drew a bigger actual TV audience than the Y (check ratings books) and the new TV deal will only increase that exposure. But what is important is the development of the young men in the program; the resources available to athletes to help them develop at the U is phenomenal. When so many programs (Boise State) lower academic expectations for athletes, the U continues to raise theirs. Feels to me like BYU is suffering an identity crisis...they need to focus on their core which is similar to what Air Force offers: not the biggest or the best, but men of character who win more than they should because of their work ethic and integrity.

  • Cougars --Best Little Brothers Irvine, CA
    April 20, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    If you choose BYU, you will play in a game losing to your top in-state school: 10-54

    On the other hand, choosing Utah means you will win: 54-10

    10-54 (BYU) or 54-10 (Utah)?

    Not a difficult decision, is it?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 20, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    And if a recruit wants to play in the NFL, I wonder which program is better at developing NFL talent?

    I'd say Utah holds the trump card.

    Not to take anything away from BYU's TV deal...they've clearly got the Tuesday night midnight ET slot locked up.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 20, 2012 1:07 p.m.

    Pac 12 vs. independent
    Been to 2 BCS bowls vs. 0 BCS bowls
    Won 2 BCS bowls vs. 0 BCS wins
    2 Undefeated seasons vs. 0 undefeated seasons
    2 recent top 5 national rankings vs. 0 recent top 5 national rankings
    Pac 12 athletes as teammates vs. mixture of a couple athlets and many sunday school boys
    1 game away from Rose Bowl shot last year vs. 5 games away from BCS consideration
    Coach who knows winning is #1 vs. coach who thinks winning is #7

    The future of football in Utah, is UTAH

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    April 20, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    Hmmm...

    You can either go to BYU and be seen on TV, play all over the country with lots of diversity, practice in state of the art facilities, play in front of 60,000 for a team that is consistently ranked in the top 25, and is consistently being talked about on national news...

    or...

    play for a tam that MIGHT be competitive one out of every 4 years, that may or may not be on TV (based on what else is going on in the conference), has had two great seasons but has done nothing since, hasn't ended a season in the top 25 for??? Oh yeah, that's right play in the conference of champions (well sort of, not an elite, top shelf program0, and play for 45,000 (sometimes). and have fans who cannot let go of their rival even though they have moved on to "bigger and better"...

    Hmmmmmmm....

    I wonder if Chris B is available to talk with the recruits....

    Maybe Navel Vet can confuse them....

    Utah has soooo much to offer.... 2 BCS wins, middle of the PAC, wow this is going to be tough.