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Published: Thursday, April 19 2012 8:12 p.m. MDT

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SLCguy
Murray, UT

I've known Josh for years, I fully believe his denial. I can only hope the retractions and apologies are printed with as large a type as the (baseless) accusations.

yankees27
Heber, Utah

Amazing. In this state it's always Guilty until proven innocent. I agree with SLCguy and the many on ksl's site that the news sources should wait until further knowledge becomes available, before they put up a guys picture and smear his career. If he is found guilty, then by all means, publicly humiliate him, but now the media has made him guilty in the court of public opinion.

sjgf
South Jordan, UT

We won't know for months whether any of these allegations have any merit. Why is it that the media is so anxious to up their ratings, and pull in extra money for their executives, that they will crucify a person in the media? If he turns out to be guilty, they will have gotten their bonus early. If he turns out to be innocent, they will have destroyed his life to fatten their wallets.

Have they never heard the word, "Restraint?"

JP Skillet
Murray, UT

Folks, guilty or not this is still news. All the media has done is report the allegations and that there is an investigation underway. No one outlet has pronounced him as guilty. if josh is innocent then his name will be cleared. Relax and understand freedom of the press. No one as smeared his name.

Cougar Passion
Salt Lake City, UT

I agree with the previous two posters--there will be PLENTY of time to convict him in the court of public opinion as the investigation goes on. Can we have a little more class and less up-front bias to start?

IdahoStranger
NEWDALE, ID

Anything for a story. No restraint nor mercy here. No waiting for the wheels of justice to grind away and come up with a verdict.

I have no way of knowing if he is guilty or innocent and neither do most of you. However, the preponderance of belief is always on the side of the female. Always. It ain't right, but it is so.

Will he get to face his accusers?

Once the accusation is made and especially if it is widely publicized, then the accusation all by itself becomes Judge, Jury, Prosecutor and Executioner. Even a court verdict of "not guilty" will do little to undo the damage that this news article has done to this individual.

If he is found innocent, will that be a headline story? Of course not. If he is found guilty, will it be a headline story? Of course.

Innocent until proven guilty? Not likely. But then again, "the public has the right to know."? Don't they? Really? What about "truth" or don't we have time to wait for that?
Probably not.

Cougar Passion
Salt Lake City, UT

When I commented this morning, the "previous two posters" were the first two posters on the story. I should have known there were no moderators working the night shift!

Go Utes!
Springville, UT

All of the recent allegations against male teachers has me rethinking my plan of becoming a teacher, some high school girl gets a crush and makes up a fantasy, she tells all her friends and BOOM!! life ruined for a good man who did nothing wrong. I am willing to bet that Josh will never teach again even if he is innocent.

Uncle Rico
Sandy, UT

ummmm.. Hello ? This allegation includes a minor and should be reported. Seems like a lot of the posts here are from family members. If it was your daughter, would you criticize this article, I think not. I hope for coaches sake this charge is false. A lot of time effort were taken to groom him for this position. The program is already on the skids. Someone's plan backfired.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@go utes

Why the assumption that the girl "made up a fantasy"? At this point none of us knows the truth either way. It is just as plausible that he is aguilty of it as it is that she made it up. I'll admit I think that in cases of this sort it seems that the female is almost always given the benefit of the doubt over the male but it is also true that in cases like this the male is generally the one guilty of doing it.

As far as the media is concerned I think they should show more restraint in reporting this stuff since nothing is proven yet and if this guy is innocent it won't matter now because he will always be remembered as "the guy that groped that school girl" and that is terrible. But just declaring the girls accusation a "fantasy" with know real knowledge is no better on your part than someone just assuming he is automatically guilty.

But as far as being a teacher is concerned I agree with you, I'd rethink it. To much risk for to little pay.

mecr
Bountiful, UT

At first I would say let's side with the girl but then I do remember 30 years ago when I was in high school how my classmates would flirt with the handsome teacher, invent some fantasies and even invite him to parties. Poor guy, I though his face was natural pink until I saw him walking by the street with his family. I even remember a friend's dad talking to one teacher just because she told her dad naivly enough that her teacher was a great guy and he was very nice to her. She was so embarrased and the teacher made sure to ignore her for the rest of the school year. But then, we heard stories of other teachers claiming innocence and then they are as guilty as they could be.

so, innocent until proven guilty. Let's see what happens. But I do think these kind of cases, because the nature of the allegations should be kept from the public until at least they are taken to trial, which means, there were sufficient evidence to convict.

Morgan Duel
Taylorsville, UT

I read this story from top to bottom and cannot find anywhere is states that the student was a female. Do some of you have inside information?

PookyBear84010
KAYSVILLE, UT

Are we sure it was a girl who made the accusation? In the article it just says "a student." I guess people at the school would know more about the situation and who's doing the accusing, but theoretically it could be a boy.

Go Utes!
Springville, UT

@Duckhunter

If you will read closely i never accused the girl of making the story up. I simply stated that in recent memory many of the cases where a man was accused of misconduct with a minor it turned out to be a lie that grew out of a fantasy.

Of course many cases also end up with the guy being guilty as sin.

Something to think about
Ogden, UT

I'm not stating or supporting a claim of Innocence or guilt!

Teenagers today are very forward in matters of relationships. They are not as innocent or naive as many would like to believe. Some teenagers more than others. Having said that it is a crime for an adult in a power of position to engage in such behavior. The provacative nature of modern teens puts many adults in these positions in "no win situations". Regardless of the outcomes in this and any similiar situation, we really do "never know the whole truth."

I feel for all involved. It's a tough situation.

Cougar Passion
Salt Lake City, UT

@Uncle Rico:
I don't think anyone is complaining about this having been reported; it's the *way* in which it is being reported. Something about including an oversized headshot of the accused rather than a picture of him on a sideline coaching a game seems to shout, "There he is! That's the guy!" The DesNews does have a second picture of him if we click the tiny thumbnail under "View 2 Photos" that would have been more in line with just informing us rather than looking to influence us in a certain direction.

By the way, I certainly have no bias in favor of this coach. I frankly only clicked on the article because all I knew about Cottonwood was that they had a coach--since departed, apparently--who was all about getting his players recruited by USC rather than local schools, and I was curious to know if the accusation was about him.

dlw7
LOGAN, UT

He may be guilty. He may be innocent. Whatever happened/happens his life will be ruined. Maybe we should remember "he that is without sin should cast the first stone" and wait until the facts are revealed before we judge him or the student involved.

Rob
Logan, UT

I am impressed that so many on here want to make sure this coach is still innocent until proven guilty. Sad situation no matter which way it turns out.

Golden Helmet
Salt Lake City, UT

Along this thread of posts, as well as other local news websites, there are many claims that the Granite School District, along with the media, is jumping to the conclusion that he is guilty. Watch Ben Horsely's (GSD spokesman) comments on the news. On the news story, he talks of the devastating nature of Lyman's actions. Horsely is a trained professional in PR, there must be sufficient evidence for him to make those comments. I more than hope that these accusations are false, but for Lyman's employer to basically throw him under the bus, there has to be some very substantial evidence against him.

I am reminded of the two cases at West High School involving the same girl. One counselor is in prison and the teacher that allegedly had relations was exonerated.

Again, I hope that Josh Lyman is innocent.

jprof
Cedar City, UT

The pervasive kill-the-messenger mentality here is ironic. If the news media had not reported this story, at least some of you folks would claim the journalists had fallen asleep at the switch and failed in their duty to inform the public of an important story. Yet, when they report the story, you say they lack restraint and engage in unethical, sensationalistic reporting.

Do you want a free and responsible press that reports the news and forestalls unfounded rumor and innuendo by reporting the facts, as the news media did in this case? Or would you rather have a feel-good media that only reports the "positive" and sticks its head in the sand when adults are accused of molesting or assaulting children? You can't have it both ways.

Also, I find it interesting that so many of you seem to ascribe a potential for such powerful effects to the news media. Do you really believe that anything the media report will become TRUTH in the eyes of the public just because they reported it? It might be nice if we realized that media consumers bear at least some responsibility to think for themselves, eh?

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