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  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    May 11, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    BYU haters rant and rave, but usually don't say anything new and at times illogical.
    News for U claims "The Pac-12 will get stronger in football and basketball because they will have the money to bring in big name coaches and offer a lot more opportunities to their recruits." Using money to offer more opportunities to recruits didn't work out so well for USC.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    May 11, 2012 1:48 p.m.

    Soonerute: I am not scared about u joining the 12-pack. I just don't see the value for the 12-pack. What did they gain from such a deal? Conference stability? They had it. National television? They have it. Expanded recruiting? Not really. I am at a loss. What did u bring that the 12-pack needed?

  • News For U Sandy, Utah
    April 21, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    It doesn't matter! Utah's national championships are now Pac-12 national championships.

    Look at this way Ducky, Utah and Colorado moving into a new conference is like a family moving into a new home. The family will take all their possessions with them from their old home to their new home. Same thing with Utah and Colorado, The Utes and Buffaloes have moved into a new conference home and they took with them all their national championships with them to their new conference home.

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    April 20, 2012 8:15 p.m.

    Interesting how Duckhunter looks at titles won by schools.
    If that is the case, BYU should give up its claim to the 1984 national title. It no longer is a member of the WAC. And if they join the Big 12 it won't count either.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 20, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    @news for u

    And they had nothing to do with the pac previous. Nothing.

  • News For U Sandy, Utah
    April 20, 2012 4:19 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    No, those national championships Utah and Colorado won in previous conferences will follow them into their new conference because it's the school's national championships and the schools belong to the Pac-12 now.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 20, 2012 11:06 a.m.

    @news for u

    So the championships utah and colorado won as memebers of other conferences the pac12 is now trying to claim as their own? Those championships belong to other conferences, not the pac12. certainly they belong to the schools themselves but they had nothing to do swith the pac12 when they won them. It just makes the pac12's self proclaimed moniker even more suspect.

  • News For U Sandy, Utah
    April 20, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    "That said you are correct that across the board the pac10, not the pac12 as utah and colorado have contributed nothing to those championships, has more national championships than any other conference and that is an adiramable achievment".

    I disagree with you about Utah and Colorado contributing nothing to those 442 national championships. If you do some research, Colorado is contributing 22 national championships and Utah is contributing 20 national championships. Both Utah and Colorado have won more national championships than half of the current Pac-12 schools. Look it up!

    I'll agree with you that the Big 12 is currently stronger in men's basketball and football. But that's because of lack of exposure caused from the old Pac-10 tv deal. With the new Pac-12 tv deal kicking in this August. The Pac-12 will get stronger in football and basketball because they will have the money to bring in big name coaches and offer a lot more opportunities to their recruits. I look at the Pac-12 being more competitive on the national scale in the coming years.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 20, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    @news for u

    The pac12 didn't "earn" the title of "conference of champions" LOL! It is a self proclaimed "title" that no one but the member institutions care about. My guess is most of the others laugh at the pretentiousness of trying to proclaim yourselves such a thing. LOL!

    That said you are correct that across the board the pac10, not the pac12 as utah and colorado have contributed nothing to those championships, has more national championships than any other conference and that is an adiramable achievment. As a follower of a school (BYU) that actually has across the board excellence in its athletic programs I admire that. Of course you being a follower of a school that has across the board mediocrity in athletics (utah) it is something you should hope your chosen school aspires to.

    But as so many of the utah "fans" here told us in the article about BYU rugby dominating utah once again, no one really cares about anything but football and basketball and in those two sports the Big12 is demonstrably superior to the pac12.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    April 20, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah
    SoonerUte

    Utah was simply a filler to have a conference championship game. ABC/ESPN completely ignored the Utes in their television schedule last season.

    ------------------------------------

    Really?
    If that is true why not pick Portland St. Idaho St. or San jose St.?
    Fact of the matter is that Utah was chosen, like Colorado because they are research institutions. Something that BYU is not.
    If you look at the TV ratings from last season. It appears the public ignored BYU on ESPN. Can you say low ratings!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 20, 2012 6:51 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    Utah was simply a filler to have a conference championship game. ABC/ESPN completely ignored the Utes in their television schedule last season.

  • News For U Sandy, Utah
    April 19, 2012 10:57 p.m.

    @ A1994

    Now your changing your position. You first said "overall, the Big 12 is a better athletic conference than the Pac-12". Now your saying "nobody cares about anything other than football and basketball". I'm simply responding to what you originally wrote. The Pac-12 across the board in athletics is a better athletic conference than the Big 12 because the Pac-12 wins national championships. That is why they earned their title "Conference of Champions" because they have won more national titles than any other conference by a long shot. The numbers don't lie!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 19, 2012 10:51 p.m.

    BYUfaninWashSt

    Being a born and raised 'Show-Me' boy I know exactly what you are talking about.

    Heard today that Romney will be the commencement speaker at Liberty University, Jerry Falwell's school.

    Who would imagine that a Mormon would be invited there? Wow, times are changin'. There might be riots and protests on the campus but if Romney gets the nomination, as is pretty much assured, who knows what will happen in the 'Bible Belt' aka Big 12 conference.

    Maybe Mitt will get the deal done!

    Go Mizzou!

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    April 19, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    @News For U

    Get serious. Nobody cares about anything other than football and basketball. The PAC 12 was abysmal in the bowl season and had one team in the NCAA tourney this year. With the exception of USC and Oregon football (and Stanford every 10 years) it is a severely over-rated conference and the poster child of how big money doesn't necessarily mean a good show.

  • News For U Sandy, Utah
    April 19, 2012 9:28 p.m.

    @ A1994

    "I know it would be a hard pill for some Ute fans to swallow because, overall, the Big 12 is a better athletic conference than the PAC 12".

    National Championships:

    Pac-12 442
    Big 12 173

    Enough Said!

    The Pac-12 "Conference of Champions" is light years ahead of the Big 12 and it's not even close.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    April 19, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    Why are fellow BYU fans saying Ute fans don't want BYU to join the Big 12?
    What's keeping BYU from joining a BCS conference is BYU itself.

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    April 19, 2012 7:56 p.m.

    sammyg,

    Have to agree with you ... that BYU brand of mediocrity is no worse than some teams in BcS conferences. However, with the Big12, shouldn't underestimate the LDS component I mentioned. There is reason why Romney lost Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, and would lose Texas too, if it were still a race. Believe it or not, for large segment of midwest & southern population, many of those same attitudes carry over, even into football. BYU football mediocrity and LDS is not winning combination in that area. It is what it is. I once served there, and know something whereof I speak.

  • Thinkman Provo, UT
    April 19, 2012 4:44 p.m.

    Being an alum of both Utah and BYU, I'd like to see BYU go to the Big 12. Will only happen if the other Big 12 schools see it in their interest to expand and without question, BYU is a leading candidate but so are other current "BCS" schools who the Big 12 would also consider and very likely consider ahead of BYU.

    I have to agree with Duckhunter that Utah fans are more interested it seems in keeping BYU as an indy than BYU fans are as it provides Ute fan a sense of superiority over their in-state brethren.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    April 19, 2012 4:39 p.m.

    WACPaddingOurSchedule

    Please clarify how BYU is over rated decade after decade in all other sports outside of football...

    Seeing how ALL other sports actually play in playoffs and a champion is crowned. Please enlighten us on how all those national championships, conference championships, individual awards, and rankings are all over rated.

    u fans take the cake for lack of humility.

    u win two bowl games and suddenly you're the anchor of the conference of champions, even though you can't even compete in all but gymnastics. You're a joke in your own conference an you don;t even know it.

    Talk about over rated.

    The funniest thing about all the u fans commenting is that they want so badly for BYU to not get invited, that they miss the point entirely.

    BYU is BYU. They don't care what you think. They are the ones talking with whoever, and the discussion doesn't include u fans whose sole purpose it is to wish BYU to fail.

    That's like Toyota listening to Government Motors on whether or not to start selling cars in China. BYU seems to be just fine regardless of what you "think."

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    April 19, 2012 12:34 p.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT
    @soonerute

    Well since I don't want BYU to join the Big12 I'm not really the guy to ask but of course BYU would bring plenty of attractive attributes with them if they did get an invite. Obviously a top 25 overall athletic program, well funded, competitive in every single sport they participate in, a great history in pretty much every sport they sponsor, some of the best facilities of any school in the entire NCAA, A large dedicated fan base that doesn't just span the country, it spans the globe, great academics, conservative values which is something the Big12 matches more closely than any other conference. Then of course a tv station and broadcast facility second to none.

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    Overated. Decade after decade.
    If everything about BYU is so great as you say, every major conference in the country would line up to invite them.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    April 19, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    I grew up watching LaVell Edwards brand of BYU football. Those teams were much more on the national scene than today's BYU football. I cringe when I hear BYU fans talk about national championships and BCS respect. BYU needs to start winning big games again. Beating Ole Miss by one isn't going to get the job done.

    Having said that, BYU absolutely belongs in a major conference and the Big 12 would be a great fit. BYU has a huge fan base and to say they bring nothing to the table is ridiculous. I know it would be a hard pill for some Ute fans to swallow because, overall, the Big 12 is a better athletic conference than the PAC 12.

    It would be great for all football fans in the state to have both schools in major conferences. Can you imagine having USC in Salt Lake on the same day that OU is in Provo? What real college football fan could object to that?

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    April 19, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    ArticleReader,

    I like that idea in general. I would love to see football more independent across the country. But I think you can count out any Big Ten schools. Conference affiliation brings along with it billions of dollars in research monies through the CIC. No college president will ever want out of that.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    April 19, 2012 10:58 a.m.

    Do people really believe BYU will bring nothing to the conference. BYU would bring one of the largest schools in the conference (3rd), biggest stadiums (3rd), a larger fan base than most (not possible to accurately quantify, but certainly top half of the conference), and they wouldn't take away from the current recruiting pool (important for current school already fighting over Texas). All of these things turn into TV attraction, and the more games you can stage with national interest, the higher your tv contract can be. To suggest, as SoonerUte does, that they're perfectly content on TV dollars is ridiculous. They're always looking for a way to get more dollars.

    Last time negotiations happened, I feel the timing was just bad. BYU was reluctant to give up its TV deals for a conference that looked as if it might explode at any moment. They hadn't really even tried the independent thing yet.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    April 19, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    SammyG, that is what a lot of fans within the BCS conferences get fooled by.... We have a license to stink worse than a sewer plant because we play against stiffer competition..... I'm sorry but there is no excuse for losing tradition..... And I still say investigate the U for possible point shaving against Colorado..... They didn't want the win because dang it on september 17th they annihilated the Cougs.

  • Article-Reader Spanish Fork, UT
    April 19, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    Personally, I still think BYU should reach out to a number of top football programs and try to form some sort of Independants league. All of the schools can play whoever they choose in football, but then the rest of their sports are in the same conference for Basketball and the "Olympic" sports.

    If BYU could somehow convince Texas to join them in this other schools would follow, ND, USC, Boise St, and maybe Ohio St. If these schools took the leap, others would follow. Talk about major realignment.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 19, 2012 7:41 a.m.

    BYUfaninWashSt

    The good 'ol boys club BCS conferences provide a safe haven for an abundance of mediocre and worse programs. Why not BYU?

    BYU consistently ranks above mediocrity in many sports. If you want an example of BCS mediocrity look no further than a local school that had a 4-5 conference record in football and a miserable basketball season.

    How do you 'write off' and dismiss the BYU national rankings and NCAA tournament invites?

    BYUs brand of 'mediocrity' is far better than a lot of BcS / 'prestigious' programs.

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    April 18, 2012 10:55 p.m.

    BYU would need to prove they belong, with consistent winning play against worthy competition, on the field. They have not accomplished that for years. BYU play is consistently mediocre. That is the hard truth. Big 12 does not want mediocre LDS team.

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    April 18, 2012 10:55 p.m.

    Duckhunter you are funny!
    What is unique about being independent is nothing as you claim. If it was so great everyone would be leaving conferences to do it. Oklahoma, Texas, Miami, Florida St. Boston College, USC, Oregon, Alabama, LSU and others are all capable. Navy was independent and they just joined the Big East.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    April 18, 2012 10:16 p.m.

    BYU needs to first be invited, which is not a given by any means. The next thing would be that they will probably have to give up their television contract with ESPN, something they may not want to do. I have my doubts that either thing will happen but we will see.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 18, 2012 9:16 p.m.

    @wallbanger

    Remember, I am the balance. But to answer your question I have wanted BYU to go independent for a long time. They are unique and one of only a very few schools that could possibly do it. I never liked having to cater to the bottom feeders of the wac and the mtn west, and yes that included utah for a long time. They were really just dead weight propped up mostly by BYU.

    I love the idea of traveling around the country and attending games in new places against new schools. Over the next 4-5 yars I will be attending games in the south, midwest, eastcoast, westcoast and the mtn west.

    Of course you won't believe it, you only see things through your own biases and those are dictated by the circumstance of the school you follow. It is not something you can even understand because your school couldn't do it, they aren't capable of it. So because they couldn't do it in order for you to prop up your fragile ego you have to try and pretend no one should like it and it can only fail. Pathetic.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 18, 2012 9:08 p.m.

    @soonerute

    Well since I don't want BYU to join the Big12 I'm not really the guy to ask but of course BYU would bring plenty of attractive attributes with them if they did get an invite. Obviously a top 25 overall athletic program, well funded, competitive in every single sport they participate in, a great history in pretty much every sport they sponsor, some of the best facilities of any school in the entire NCAA, A large dedicated fan base that doesn't just span the country, it spans the globe, great academics, conservative values which is something the Big12 matches more closely than any other conference. Then of course a tv station and broadcast facility second to none.
    Frankly pretty much anyone looking at it through the fish eyed lense of hate, such as yourself and most other utah "fans", can see it. But as I said I like independence, I have been a proponent of it for many, many years. I prefer to give it time to see how it works out. BYU doesn't have to have a conference, that makes them unique and I like that.

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    April 18, 2012 8:03 p.m.

    Won't be any more expansion until the BCS gets a playoff developed. The Big12 will hold as is. The ESPN blog was only talking about the Big12 raiding the ACC. BYU's best option may be a new conference formed from the best of CUSA, MWC, and WAC.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    April 18, 2012 7:50 p.m.

    BYU Deek
    Spanish Fork, UT

    BYU to the Big12 is pretty much a done deal. The presidents have already voted on it. However, the Big12 is currently searching for a new commissioner and baseball season is roaring. The Big12 is possibly the best baseball conference in the nation,.....

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    I think The Pac 12 SEC and ACC would have something to say about that. The Big 12 only has two teams in the top 25.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    April 18, 2012 7:10 p.m.

    Why Jeff Call said something about BYU and that ESPN Blog said nothing about us. It was about wheather big 12 should go 11 or 12 team league or stay at 10? If they do expand and take BYU which would be great, but if they don't expand or don't take BYU - so what!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2012 5:44 p.m.

    Really "BYU Deek"? The Big 12 is holding off on announcing conference expansion because "baseball season is roaring"? That is classic!

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    April 18, 2012 4:19 p.m.

    DesNews, enough already. BYU is not in the Big 12's radar--nor are they being looked at by any other major conference. They would have been invited by now. They weren't.

    BYU's future will be in a football conference equivalent to the WCC for other sports.

    Quit trying to make news when there isn't any.

  • BYU Deek Spanish Fork, UT
    April 18, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    BYU to the Big12 is pretty much a done deal. The presidents have already voted on it. However, the Big12 is currently searching for a new commissioner and baseball season is roaring. The Big12 is possibly the best baseball conference in the nation, and many Big12 schools actually pull a profit from it. This is why they haven't yet announced that BYU and Louisville will be joining for the 2013-2014 school year. This is another reason that the WCC added Pacific. I mean, come on, USD as a travel partner?

    Anyway, this isn't speculation, many people, including reporters that cover the Big12 believe this. Is this a for sure thing? Nothing is fail proof, but as of right now i'd say 85% done. Anyone who follows GSwaim on twitter has access to quite a few insiders.

    When Holmoe says nothing is imminent he is talking about the next month. Once the Big12 hires a new commish the talks will heat up again.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    April 18, 2012 4:04 p.m.

    Ducky
    "Hmmm....more than half the comments and all negative."
    Yeah, you never troll Utah boards with any negativity. More than half the comments on any Utah board are all from you, with negativity. And please explain to us why you like being Indy over conference affiliation. I for one would like to see BYU join the Big 12, but it's a long shot and probably won't happen.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    Duckhunter, since you like "fan" in quotations, mark me down as Big 12 "fan".

    I am not scared about BYU joining the Big 12. I just don't see the value for the Big 12.
    What do they gain from such a deal? Conference stability? They have it now. National television? They have it. Expanded recruiting? Not really. I am at a loss. What could BYU bring that the Big 12 needs?

    As a Big 12 fan, it appears to me that BYU fans are only interested in the Big 12 because they didn't get selected by the PAC 12. Who wants to be a second choice? "Will you take me to prom? I wanted to go with someone else, but they didn't ask me." Not attractive.

    I agree with you that independence is best for BYU. They can scheduled a couple of name teams, then fill out the schedule against teams that allow them to reach a 10 win season. A 10 win season gives the program visibility that the church wants.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 18, 2012 3:11 p.m.

    All of the insecurity and arrogance flowing from 'the hill' is laughable.

    Duckhunter, you are spot on... as usual.

  • David Centerville, UT
    April 18, 2012 3:08 p.m.

    I truly believe that the Marketing Department at BYU hypes up the program every Spring and Fall for ticket sales. Included in this hype is talk of conference participation, national championship or BCS bowling participation, etc, all to sell tickets.

    It is getting old. I wish that BYU would do there talk on the field and beat top teams. They struggled against Florida, TCU, and other programs. But even after BYU begins beating those teams consistently, I would still not favor heavy marketing. Let the talk be on the field.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 18, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    Let's see

    patriot - utah "fan"
    robin - utah "fan"
    wacpadding - utah "fan" who also goes by a bunch of other screen names
    ouisc - utah "fan"
    ares - utah "fan"
    henry drummond - utah "fan"
    soonerute - utah "fan"
    ernest t bass - utah "fan"

    Hmmm....more than half the comments and all negative. What are you all so scared of? Oh that's right, utah being in the pac12 and BYU being an independent is all you have to give yourselves a false sense of superiority. Frankly I like independence but of course none of you know anything about any of this.

    I loved cowardly robins claim that a BIG12 official called the BYU attorney "a peice of work". False, it was the big easts not the BIG12's and BYU turned down the big east.

    But whatever BYU's future holds one thing we can all count on is that it is more important to these utah "fans" than utah's is.

    LOL!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 18, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    henry
    "It doesn't take much to get these BYU forums to light up with news that an invitation is at hand."
    It doesn't take much for the "insecure" to start with their rants about how nothing good will happen for BYU either. They are soooo afraid something good will happen. Then they won't be so special anymore.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2012 2:08 p.m.

    We are BYU. The Big 12 should have allowed us to dictate the terms. They really messed up when they walked away from our ESPN deal. ESPN will do anything to keep byu.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    Let's not notice that BYU wasn't mentioned in the article with West Virginia AD Luck...

    BYU is on a list of candidates put together by the Big 12 expansion committee. The Big 12 wanted to be better prepared IF they decide to expand. That is a big IF.

    Oklahoma and Texas are quite happy with the 10 team format. That allows them to play everyone in the league, and eliminates the conference championship game which more often than not has eliminated the Big 12 from BCS games. They are about to sign a television deal that will pay each member $20 million per year. As the ESPN poll question page notes "Selling expansion to the league's 10 members won't go over all that well if the league can't prove that the annual conference revenue paychecks won't get significant cuts."

    BYU is on the list under the idea that they could join without much trouble (no conference exit fees). Other than that, BYU has nothing to offer the Big 12. BYUtv is the biggest hurdle. BYU would have to sign over six years of television rights.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    April 18, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    I am the biggest BYU fan around but even I have to say...Are we STILL talking about this stuff?

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    April 18, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    I had to laugh at this. It doesn't take much to get these BYU forums to light up with news that an invitation is at hand.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    April 18, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    "Of course, BYU is considered a prime candidate to join the Big 12 should it decide to add more members"

    The more the DN sports writers write stuff like this, perhaps the more they may actually believe it themselves. So, the obvious responses, and even coming from a Cougs fan, is "says who?" and "based on what?"

    This sports writer is trying to pull a rabbit out of his hat w/ this. Yes, I'm a Cougs fan, but look at the entire Cougs program from afar. I like not being so close to Happy Valley. As long as BYU is "connected at the hip" w/ ESPN on the current contract that provides the Cougs all the "national recognition" they like, they're not going anywhere.

    The next time I read about the Cougs "possibly" considering another conference, I'd actually like to see the article linked to credible sources-- not linked to the fishing expedition in this article.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    April 18, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    Slow day to bring this up again. The Big 12 has always said great things about BYU and their interest is still solid. However, it is more complex than saying, "Hey we will expand". I know that's hard for some (read red) fans to comprehend but those are the facts.

    Utah fans should be more worried why their school is advertising for basketball teams that have na rpi of 200 plus.

  • Ares Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 18, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    Give it up already BYU. You already showed that you are "too good" and should be treated like Gods in the football world.

    Well, reality check.

    Nobody wants you.

    Give it up and start small. Maybe you could get back into the WAC (officially, I mean) or the MWC and build yourself up again. Stop whining.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    April 18, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    Reading these comments is like listening the Presidential pundits...its all hot air and speculation...

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    April 18, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    West Virginia is talking like my boss does--grow and expand, even though we can't even keep our foundation in tact.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    April 18, 2012 1:00 p.m.

    Its really up to Texas if BYU joins or not. They own the Big 12.

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    April 18, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    Since it will never happen...I'm sure "patriot's" comments have gone directly to decision makers in the Big 12 and at BYU. The result is that BYU has quit considering moving to a conference and the Big 12 has shifted its focus to Idaho and Idaho State for expansion.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    April 18, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    You may be right Patriot, but we can still dream. If the BIG 12 wants to expand, frankly, I don't know who would be more appealing than BYU. Maybe BYU and the BIG 12 will have to compromise a bit. One thing for sure, this independence thing is not going to work out very well. I hope BYU can find a home.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 18, 2012 12:34 p.m.

    I love this quote from the article:

    "Of course, BYU is considered a prime candidate to join the Big 12 should it decide to add more members."

    What makes the author think that BYU is a "prime candidate" for Big 12 expansion? Did you forget that BYU already had a chance to join the Big 12 and blew it? Did you forget how BYU clung to their piddly ESPN deal throughout negotiations like a little kid hanging onto a lollipop while being offered an entire cake? Did you forget that a member of the Big 12's expansion committee called BYU's attorney "a real piece of work"? I guess not.

    And I love how the author prefaces his erroneous statement with "of course", like we all know that BYU is clearly the frontrunner. Oh, the arrogance of that statement!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 18, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    it will never happen...adding BYU to the Big12 that is. TCU already took BYU's place in the BIG 12. I really don't think anyone is interested in the Y will their sunday play ban and the restrictions the Y on TV contracts etc... BYU fans got their hopes dashed a year ago with the BIG 12 so I think this is a dead issue. BYU is stuck as an independent for the foreseeable future.BYU's new rival's will be Idaho and Idaho State going forward...