Time to bring Hatch home.His voting record, however defended, has
brought enough damage to this country.
Dear Lost in DC:P.S. Quite honestly, I don't really know why
these guys keep running when they get to be Hatch's age. You'd think
they be reach the point when it's time to pass the baton. Unfortunately, I
think a lot of these guys think they're indispensible. They're NOT.
But, for the sake of our state, I have to support Hatch. I'm not against
the other candidates. But, I just know how much power, prestige, respect and
status Hatch has. These other guys would start at the bottom and we'd be
left with very little power in the Senate. It would be MANY years before they
could be as effective as Hatch is.If we wait six years, at least Lee
would have a chance to build up a little more seniority and become a little more
effective. Currently, his staff is still trying to figure out how to run an
office. By the time we get a new guy six years from now, maybe Lee will have it
together. Then we might have a shot at getting more accomplished.That's why I have to support Hatch.
Dear Lost in DC:My comment about a "joke" was not directed
at you. It was directed at another poster. I believe you do understand
seniority and how things work in Washington because I think you have experience
there just as I do. Senator Hatch is NOT perfect. And I would NEVER want to be
a member of his staff (you may know what I mean by that). But, he has a 100%
score with The American Conservative Union and has done much good for the state.
He was a PERSONAL friend of Ted Kennedy but opposed him almost every day in
committee and on the floor of the Senate--politically, they were completely
opposite. You must know that chairmanship of a powerful committee gives him the
ability to pass legislation and negotiate all kinds of things with other
powerful chairmen--not to mention his ability to get things accomplished for the
state within the executive branch and agencies.I don't always
agreee with Senator Hatch. But if you agree with your representative 80% of the
time, you've got a good thing going. That's I'm supporting him.
I am not surprised that Hatch and Herbert are leading the way. When I went to my
caucus night that seemed to be the trend. I am really happy to see that Chris
Stewart is doing so well. I have followed him throughout his campaign and he is
the the right choice to represent my district. For the first time in many years
I am very excited about having someone represent me that really loves America
and believes/desires in a bright future for me and my family. I don't see
that same passion in the other candidates. I haven't spoken to all the
candidates but the ones I have listened to talk as if they are in a reality show
competition. I want someone who really understands that we live in the greatest
country in the world. Chris Stewart seems to have that same belief as me.
Morgan Philpot is becoming the new Merrill Cook.
Cats,I do not view seniority as a joke.It is a dual edged
sword. Ted Kennedy had more seniority than hatch. Did that advance the
conservative cause (and thus the nation)? No, it did not.Hatch
voted for kennedy instead of his constituents on at least one occassion. He
co-sponsored controversial, moderate to liberal bills when not facing
re-election, then opposed them when facing re-election. He appears to consider
his constituents only when facing re-election. He has said if re-elected, the
next term will be his last, so he will no longer have to answer to his
constituents.Given his vote for kennedy and his pattern of
disregarding his constituents unless facing re-election, I do not TRUST him with
his seniority. If he uses his seniority to vote liberally, his seniority will
Dear Utah Republicans:The ONLY possible reason to send Hatch back
for another try is because of his seniority in the Senate. You certainly
wouldn't send him back because of his consistent and dependable [fiscal]
conservatism. He talke the talk in an election year, and hopes the folks back
home don't pay too much attention.PLEASE - do a favor for
conservatives in the other 49 states, and replace your career politician with a
good conservative representative, who will be a little more reluctant to spend
the dollars of taxpayers' great-grandkids. Thank you!
Last Utah General Legislative Session for 2011, I remember seeing bill after
bill sponsored by Sen. Dan Liljenquist pass the house.I was amazed
at the respect he and the bills had. I was amazed at how both republicans and
democrats voted for them.For example, his 2011 SB 180 Medicaid
Reform bill passed both houses with no votes against it from either party and
was signed by the Governor.With at least 7 bills, both the house and
senate, both republicans and democrats all voted for the reforms Senator Dan
Liljenquist proposed. 9 of his bills were signed by the Governor.We
need that in Washington DC. These are the same areas that are bankrupting our
nation. Again, we need Dan Liljenquist in Washington DC. Yes, we have a US
Senator with 35 years of seniority, but remember that in 2011, Senator Dan
Liljenquist was still in his first 4 year term. He did it without seniority. He
has been recognized nationally for this, but not so much in his own state.
I would LOVE to see Mia Love make it. And....anyone who thinks
seniority is a "joke" clearly has no understanding of how things work in
the U.S. Senate and Washington in general. If Hatch is replaced, we'll
have one guy who has two years experience and one guy who is completely new--two
guys at the bottom of the totem pole with almost no power to do anything for
Utah. Mike Lee is a good guy, but it will be many years before he has the
status and respect that Hatch has, IF EVER.Senator Hatch is a highly
respected man in Washington and, as a powerful chairman, will be in a position
to do many important things for the state. We need to retain him as long as he
is willing to serve.
Hunt. I never said I supported illegal immigration. A mass deportation is not
the solution. Logistically impossible. I support other solutions.
I sent an e-mail to the delegates from my precinct asking that they consider the
input from members of the precinct when voting in the convention. I suggested
if the input was not heavily in favor of one candidate over the other that they
consider splitting their votes; if the input was solidly behind hatch, both
should vote for him.As candidates for delegate, both indicated an
inclination for hatch; one said he would listen to input from precinct members.
When I contacted him and made the above suggestion, he responded that since both
had indicated they favored hatch and were elected, he considered that as all the
input he needed from the precinct.The weakness with that argument is
we do not know the tallies from the caucus. If the pro-hatch garnered 52% and
the anti-hatch 48%, the precinct would not be as solidly behind hatch as this
delegate believed. Were the tallies 68% hatch and 32% opposed, I could more
readily accept his response.Thus I would prefer a primary where my
vote counts to the non-committal caucus system.
I went to my precint caucus meeting. The majority of the people supported Hatch
and Herbert. The only dissenting voices were from people that supported tea
party candidates. I would say the polling reported here represents my voting
precint very well.
@NeilTLast time I checked my facts, a drop in illegal immigration
still doesn't make it legal. The issue isn't about numbers, its about
the act of illegally immigrating, the felonies that go along with illegally
obtaining a job, and the rewarding of the behavior by those who seek to benefit
If a reasonable conservative like Hatch is kicked out just when he is in a
position to do much good in the Senate it is a sad statement of the harmful
unrealistic expectations of what a rookie Senator could do. What a crucial blow
to the Republican party by the ideologues of the republican far right wing.
They have short memories of what Hatch did to stand up for conservative vales in
classic battles that kept our country from sinking into bankruptcy a long time
ago. It took compromise. Today hardline fall into the liberal stereotypes of
conservatives as being rigid, merciless with a hardline stance that doesn't
take int account that we actually do need be compassionate towards other human
beings without becoming "bleeding heart liberals" who wildly overspend.
Please Utah, do Senator Hatch a favor (and the rest of us) and bring him home.
Whom do we want to represent the State of Utah? Do we want someone
who tells us, every six years, that THIS TIME, he will actually represent the
State of Utah, or do we want to continue to elect someone who has voted to take
away our liberties?Senator Hatch has learned that the people of Utah
are too lazy to read about his voting record. He has learned that all they do
is listen to his well-scripted advertisements. He has learned that his money
makes a difference and that honesty, integrity, and performing the duties of a
Senator mean nothing.He will continue to tell us that THIS TIME, he
will make a difference. He will continue to ignore the fact that ALL of his
previous terms were failures. He will continue to ignore the fact that he was
more aligned with Senator Kennedy than he was with the principles that made us a
free people.If you want the government to lock up anyone without
telling them why they are being locked up, if you want to keep them from having
an attorney or a trial, then vote for Mr. Hatch. He is YOUR man.
I like Liljenquist instead of Hatch.I like Herbert over his
unqualified and unimpressive rivals.Shurtleff is a complete joke
(nominating himself for President of the University of Utah? Seriously?)Winder has no place in public office until he can sort out his own
identity and ethical values. And Mia Love is a solid candidate.I
think Bennett would have been better than Lee.Civility regarding
immigration is one thing. But amnesty in any form is completely unacceptable no
matter how civil or uncivil the debate gets.That's how I see
it, and I'm sticking with it.
Such vitriol directed at Senator Hatch. Sorry Tea Partiers the people are on to
your tactics. The tea party is over. It's time to return to mainstream
conservatism. Unlike Senator Benett Hatch will survive. Maybe face a primary
but he will survive. Just like Senator Bennett would have won over Lee if the
people were given the choice to vote in a primary election. As far as the flood
of illegal's check your facts. Illegal immigration has dropped
drastically. I support the Utah compact, Atty Gen Shurtleff, Chief Burbank and
the LDS Church's effort to bring civility back to the immigration debate.
I am also supporting Peter Cook for Governor and would vote for Matheson if I
had the opportunity.
Are we so illiterate that we can't read? Are we so uneducated that we
can't comprehend?Senator Hatch is a disgrace to the State of
Utah. He has made promises that he has not even attempted to keep. He has
openly voted to violate our liberties while sitting as one of 100 Senators.
Anyone who votes for him in the nominating convention is violating their duty to
help preserve our Constitution.
I am hoping Love makes it in for the Republicans. She is a class act.Wimmer on the other hand scares me. His total disregard for minorities when
suggesting pairing Browning with MLK Day never sat right with me. It is a shame
this man could actually represent Utah.
Well, 7 of the nine commenters so far are AGAINST Hatch and all nine commenters
seem to want a primary. Add me, that's 8 against Hatch and 10 for a
primary. It does make one wonder who is getting delegate assignments (the
retired folks who had time to attend?) Let's have a primary. I
couldn't make it to a caucus, but I'd like my say in the booth.
Why would anyone think the delegates would vote out Hatch. Hatch has been a
waste of space in Washington since the day the unthinking people of Utah elected
him. He is just like all the rest, if you send me back I'll do something
this time around. Kick him to the curb and let him see what "his economy
thinking has done for America". He can't even grasp simple math
"you can't pay your debts by cutting your income.
It is good to see Mia Love out polling Carl Wimmer. After his vote on HB477,
his big hug for Rep Kevin Garn, And his unsavory connection with the "free
capitalist " I feel Mia is much more qualified to lead.
If they meet the requirements of the Republican party than they should be on the
ballot for an all-republican primary.Delegates fixing the primary
election is not what elections should be about.What, are you scared
the republicans will vote for them?
Years ago as a Utah resident I voted for and supported Hatch. But I began to
have mydoubts after having a short talk with him about defending our
borders and I was amazed at the excuses he came up with for not doing so. Since Senator Bennett was dumped at the last convention, I have watched
Hatch's votes andI see no improvement. He is at 70% in the last
Freedom Index for voting in step with the Constitution and while that is a lot
better than too many others, it will not restore ourlost freedoms nor
bring us back to following the Constitution.We must do better! We
are told to vote for good men and honest men, but if they make "unwise"
political decisions, then they will not keep us free.I read Hatch's
comments at Cleon Skousen's funeral where he mentioned that Skousen
repeatedly asked him - "Why did you vote that way?" and Hatch mentioned
the same in his biography when Ezra Taft Benson asked him the same question.
Going along to get along just like Santorum - being part of the team.Its
time to change the team!
I am surprised this article was about avoiding the primary. I thought it would
be about the chances of getting on the ticket for a primary. Isn't that the
Illegal immigration costs Utah taxpayers approx. 400million per year.Gov. Herbert has had numerous chances to help curtail the flood of illegal
immigrants.Instead, he votes for amnesty provisions.WHY
would ANY (legal)taxpayer vote to let him keep his job?As far as
Hatch goes; the ONLY thing he can point to as a reason to vote for him is his
seniority.That issue was OVERUSED 3 terms ago. Now its just silly.Delegates: PLEASE try to find alternatives to these two. Utah deserves
I hope that the delegates will open their eyes and minds to the fact that Hatch
is done. I watched the Dixie College debate last night online and I wasn't
impressed with Hatch at all. He came across as 'begging' for a last
term. Folks, it you give Hatch what he wants, not what he deserves, then you
have just elected a lame duck senator who can do whatever he wants without any
reprecussions. Frankly, it makes me sick to think that he will have a better
retirement package then any of us when it's all said and done. For the good
of the state of Utah don't give Hatch the required 60% to avoid a primary.
He looked and sounded tired and old. The problem today is that Congress has
created the atmosphere for career politicians. It's all about seniority and
clout. Really? Too bad. Let's change this process. Term limits so that no
longer is the country beholden to career politicians who make laws based on
seniority. It is time to vote Hatch out and sent him home. Let sit at home to
write poetry and songs no one cares about.
All I ask for is a chance to vote yea or nay on Hatch in a primary election.
Hopefully the delegates will send the matter to a primary
Utah will be sitting in a much better place the day that Hatch and Herbert are
no longer in office.Hatch is a typical politician who on one hand
championed a balanced budget amendment while on the other hand voted for unpaid
increases to Medicaid. His defense? The bill didn't cost as much as
predicted? So instead of 23 billion more in debt its only 17 billion more.
Thanks Hatch. We cannot afford to send leaders to Washington who seek to mislead
by speaking out of both sides of the mouths.Herbert allowed HB116 to
pass without a veto, an unconstitutional bill that rewards illegal behavior at
the expense of tax paying Utah citizens. And in a very shady move he paid off a
company who was threatening to bring a lawsuit against him over the unfair
bidding process related to the I-15 project. The pay off was to the tune of
around 14 million. That's tax payer dollars folks. How can we forget or
give a pass to these failures in leadership and honest governance.