@TAI- Rick Warren was accurately stating the major problem that non-LDS
Christians have had with Mormonism since its inception. It did not restore
anything that was ever practiced historically or documented. Even baptism for
the dead was referred to by the Apostle Paul as "they" who practiced it,
not "we".Warren was not debating the validity of the
Trinity, but rather its historicity and catholic teaching. While Protestants
and Catholics disagree on major points, the Triune nature of God is one doctrine
of unity. Evangelicals admire and are in agreement with much of Mormonism. The
unbiblical doctrines are where they part company with Catholics, Mormons,
Moonies, JWs, Christian Scientists, United Pentecostals, and some Seventh Day
teachings by Ellen G.White. It's simply an issue of Biblical supremacy,
pure and simple.Religion aside, I am considering voting for Romney
based on his positions and ethics. It would be a breath of fresh air for our
country to have a gentleman, a statesman and an honest man as president, Triune
God or not.
@johnnylingo"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God
according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same
privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."That
would be nice but Romney has already violated it by going after Obama saying he
wants to create a national religion of secularism (which is translated in that
sentence as atheism because he doesn't use the word secularism in the right
Just get religion out of it. Either that, or accept people can and will vote
against a candidate based on religion.
@ I M LDS 2 How the heck do you figure? I'm totally lost on your comment.
In 2008 Everyone and their dog and every religous bigot were using his
religion(and yours) against him The only thing I remember him having to do is
give a speach trying to reasure the voters that his religous leaders do not
influence his politics.
Heaven help Rick Warren if an atheist or Buddhist ever runs for president. I can
accept Mormonism as a 4th Abrahamic Covenent as long as the radical right
evangelical fringe doesn't treat them any worse than they do Jews or
Muslims...oops - never mind.
I like Pastor Rick Warren a lot-----enjoyed very much his prayer at the
President's inaugural in Jan. 2009. He rarely ever enters into divisive
dialog; he is a great person and tries to never offend anyone. I hope he
finds the Book of Mormon and reads where it says all through the book that Jesus
is God and the Father and the Son; (all of us are spirit and body as well---we
are duel beings all rolled into one person). The Lord can be both the Father
and the Son and still have a separate Father to whom He prayed. The Bible can
be the most confusing book to read; and should be more simple. Jesus had two
parents. It is that simple.
Rev. Warren refers to "historical" Christianity--not doctrinally correct
Christinity or the Christianity of the New Testament. "Historical"
Christianity was invented by the Council of Nicea in the third century. It has
very little to do with the Christ of the New Testament. That's why the
Gospel needed to be restored. Unfortunately, "historical" Christianity
has wandered very far from the truth.
The Doctrine of the Trinity falls flat in the face of common sense. It's a
doctrine that was not universally accepted by Christians and codified until
nearly 400 years after the death and resurrection of Christ. A plain common
sense reading of the New Testament makes it clear that the Godhead consists of
distinct independent agents. Who was Jesus always praying to? Himself?.
Yesterday I was watching a documentary on the ascent of Jesus, and a Catholic
priest commented that Jesus was ascending to be with his Father. It would have
been awkward if he had exclaimed that Jesus was ascending to be with himself.
But that's what Trinitarianism requires.
It would be wonderful if everyone would align themselves with the following idea
concerning religion:"We claim the privilege of worshiping
Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men
the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."
Mitt Romney's unfavorables will fall substancially now. When the polls are
done Obama's comparison is against no competitor within the democrat party
so he gets all the democrat vote. Romney has been up against all the democrats
and those republicans supporting the other candidates. That will end now for the
most part so from here on over the next few days the polling will soon become a
one on one poll instead of two or 3 against one!Now the focus can be
on a poor poor economy and drastic increases in food stamp need over the last
three plus years! Up 45 percent! What a poor record to defend Mr. President!
Kids are going hungry because of your policies! Men, especially minority men are
going hungry and are out in the cold in record numbers! look at the salvation
Army facility in Los Angeles! You will see Obama's failure Eye to Eye!
ute alumniReconsider my screen name? Why? Are you not so subtly
telling me I am not worthy to be LDS? Or are you implying I should leave the
Church?I will be more gentle. I think it is time for you to
reconsider your comment.
Maybe Rick Warren should consider converting to Catholicism, since the Catholics
are the original authors of the Trinity, which he so vehemently defends.
lds2:really? larry o'donnell isn't a bigot? just what is your
enlightened definition of persecution and bigotry? you might want to reconsider
you screen name.
Irony guy, chrysler has been owned by diamler and now renault, so what about
loyalty? (and I own 2 chrylsers) and the more foreign influence in their
designs, the harder and more expensive they are to get fixed.
Rick Warren needs to seriously study and understand historical Christianity and
the Doctrine of the Trinity. In fact there is much about historical Christianity
that many would do well to study and see whether it fits what Jesus Christ said
"...and now one of the ways we can cooperate is to see that religious
practice, religious bigotry doesn't enter the campaign,’ ”
Dolan said.Too late. Romney made it the "elephant in the
room" part of his campaign in 2008, and now, as with everything else, he and
his faithful supporters are flip-flopping and trying to pretend people who
mention Romney's religion are "bigots" in the 2012 campaign.It seems Mitt's strategy is to throw anything and everything
against the campaign wall just to see what sticks. Religion didn't stick in
2008, so Mitty is playing the religious persecution card in 2012.
@Irony Guy- Maybe the Romney family thinks the Caddy is more reliable and a
better built car--or maybe he is trying to relate to all the welfare families
that manage to drive Escalades- ever looked in the parking lot of the State
I'm very concerned about Romney's easy disloyalty . . . owning all
those Cadillacs instead of Chryslers! After all, Chrysler bought AMC, his
dad's big car company. Where's the loyalty?
@JWBAttacks on Catholics... a slight majority of Catholics support the
birth control decision by the administration, similar to the slight majority of
the Catholic vote Obama got.
It is all about money, favor and power. God and religin is just a sub-title in
the preface. The rally will be around the $$s.
Tha attacks by the Obama administration on Catholics will keep on moving forward
as people make a defense for liberty and agency in this election.
Pastor/Reverend/Minister Wright has made an indelible mark on the President,
whether sitting, standing or lying down. I believe most Americans will not take
these types of attacks on religion, personal freedoms and the U.S. Constitution,
lying down, no matter how the President and his campaign spin them.
Cardinal Dolan is a bright articulate man. He is a lot of fun to watch
interviewed. He would make a good running mate to Mitt and would bring out the
Catholic vote. It is nice to see thoughtful people respond to the religious
bigots that are on both the left and right.Go Mitt. Obama has to go back
to community organizing.