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Anti-Mormon bigotry repeated by MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell, watchdogs say


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  • Disco Vega MoTown, CA
    April 16, 2012 1:22 p.m.

    BHO will use others to voice his feels and bigoted thoughts...the Mo's are going to be attacked by the "progressive" "open minded" "anything goes" liberals and will throw the kitchen sink at the Romney's, proving once again, they are NOT "progressive" "open minded.”: This on-slaunt will prove to be ineffective because, the majority of the people will see right through this phony and will have pulled the curtain back...fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me...the American people are on to the shenanigans of BHO and the liberals in general....thank god!

  • DesCoug SoCal, CA
    April 11, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    Superb post for the most part. O'Donnell appears to be a mean-spirited partisan, bent on lying to obtain political advantage. These post will be for naught until they sound in HIS ear and impair HIS vision.

  • jmort SLO, CA
    April 9, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    @Only: It's easy to say he's wrong, but nobody has offered conclusive evidence either way. Therefore, at best, all you can truthfully say is you think or believe he is wrong (as do I). As I said above, everybody is speaking out of school and just because O 'Donnell does it, doesn't make it appropriate.

    If somebody has some definitive evidence, let's hear it.

  • OnlyInUtah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 9, 2012 9:00 p.m.

    O'Donnell is the worse kind of Bigot.. the one who feels he is justified and that his "opinion" is the only one with any substantial measure of truth. This time however is 100% wrong.

  • jmort SLO, CA
    April 9, 2012 3:50 p.m.

    To NeilT and others: marrying young girls was not a custom in the 1800's. For example the U.S. census for 1890 lists the average age for a female at first marriage at 22.

  • johnnylingo62 Gray, TN
    April 9, 2012 1:25 p.m.

    The sad part is that no matter how off-base and fanciful his remarks are, a few people will not know that his remarks were unfactual and without substance. All they will remember is "mormon = negative feeling".
    Nehor and Korihor are good examples of men who used their craftiness and eloquence to persuade people away from Christ - we'll see how well Mr. Lawrence O'Donnellhor fares for his words and intentions.... or maybe he'll pull a Zeezrom and find peace... we'll see.

  • elarue NEW YORK, NY
    April 9, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    Before you eviscerate MSNBC, the Obama campaign, the Democratic party, liberals in general, etc. over O'Donnell's remarks, watch the video by fellow MSNBC anchor Melissa Harris-Perry called "Don't dislike Mitt because he's Mormon." (I would include a link to it, but the Deseret News comment box won't let me, so you'll have to Google it.) It's a very good defense of the church, while still not supporting Romney specifically.

  • jmort SLO, CA
    April 9, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Nobody seems to know the real story regarding Joseph Smith's life (who he married, etc.). Even the "Fair" site seems like a lot of speculation and hearsay. So since nobody knows the real facts, I am skeptical regarding all of your conclusions above. In summary, you all claim L.O'Donnell (who just seems like another R. Limbaugh to me) is wrong, but don't offer any convincing evidence yourselves. The fact is, many facets of Joseph Smith's life have been "deemphasized" or are not known.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2012 5:55 a.m.

    Does anyone watch msnbc or even O'Donnel anymore?

    There are soo many other independent sources of news, which these networks cannot compete with. Especially when they are pushing their own political agendas and sway public opinion. msnbc owned by GE is pushing "green" very hard. The CEO of msnbc is on baracks staff, and his company is benefiting by baracks push to force everyone to buy "green" GE products. Nice full circle.

    Why doesn't Odonnel discuss that issue?

    Where is Odonnel's evidence on Joseph Smith? Reading peoples opinions and regurgitating them doesn't make it a fact. Where is his hard evidence? So much for innocent until proven guilty in this country. In some countries 2 men can accuse a woman for idolatry after raping her, and she is put to death. Is that the path we want to be on? We just need a few accusers to call you a witch, and then off to burning that person at the stake. Isn't that why we have laws?

  • EightOhOne St. George, UT
    April 8, 2012 10:23 p.m.


    i applaud your attitude. continue to seek out the truth, you are on the right track!!!

  • Kindness is Wisdom South Jordan, UT
    April 8, 2012 8:28 p.m.


    Because the founder of your religion isn't Joseph Smith, it's Jesus Christ. Even early missionaries discussed Joseph Smith very little, if at all with members and potential converts.

    The message of the gospel is about the life of Christ, His ministry and message. God uses the weak and meek to bring forth his message, but it is never about the messenger.

    Man = fallible. God = infallible.

    However if you are interested in learning about Joseph Smith, the person who restored the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST, feel free to check out resources that are accurate.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    April 8, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    The LDS church needs to sue MSNBC for millions of dollars maybe even billions,for allowing O Donell to say such slanderous things unless they fire O Donell it has already been proven that NBC full of lying snakes and all this is going to do is make people trust them even less, i say BOYCOTT NBC and COMCAST which owns NBC until something is done about these slanderous remarks.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    April 8, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    Article quote: "Now part of Romney's religion problem is that he's a part of a new religion. Established religions like Judaism, which is about 4,000 years old, and Christianity, which is about 2,000 years old, don't easily warm up to new religions like Romney's, which is only 182 years old. Mormonism was created by a guy in upstate New York in 1830 when he got caught having sex with the maid and explained to his wife that God told him to do it. Forty-eight wives later, Joseph Smith's lifestyle was completely sanctified in the religion he invented to go with it. Which Mitt Romney says he believes."

    Me: Bwah! Hah! Hah! Hah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I've heard a lot of stupid comments about my religion, but none like the whopper that was.

    2 questions:

    1) Has this knucklehead apologized yet?

    2) Is there any anti-Mormon out there who will publicly admit they believe this guy's nonsense?

    How long, Lord, how long?............

  • Moontan Roanoke, VA
    April 8, 2012 2:08 p.m.

    Religious restrictions aside for a moment, a society that allows men to marry is in no position take the moral high-ground against a man who has more than one consenting wife who is of legal age. Past or present.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    April 8, 2012 1:06 p.m.

    Re Really?

    "few years back when it became indisputable that Joseph Smith had multiple wives, the conversation switched from denial to the level of intimacy? Are you serious? Come on, true believers, just own it! Your founder and first prophet had multiple wives with whom he had sex. Embrace it, it's true. Deny it and you look foolish"

    It is puzzling that with so many wives that Joseph had there is no evidence of him fathering any children except the ones from his first wife Emma. If he were having sex with the other wives you would think that at least one of them would have had a child .

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    April 8, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    Silas Brill. True many early church leaders may have married young girls. So. My understanding is that was a common practice in those days. I have no doubt many not of the lDS faith married young girls. That was not illegal in those days. If I am wrong please correct me.

    To change the subject. I have never heard Romney questions Obama's religious faith or validity of his birth certificate. His main focus has been Obama's ineptness on economic issues. Perhaps that explains their lack of enthuisiasm for his candidacy. I support Romney. Religion is divisive. Who can argue that we need more jobs and to stop this insane deficit spending that is bankrupting this great nation.

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 7, 2012 11:03 p.m.

    @ deep in thought
    Thank you, but I can't help but wonder why, as an LDS person, do I need to go to some website called "LDS Fair" to learn the facts regarding the founder of my religion? Why haven't I learned any of these facts in the thousands of meetings I've attended or the hundreds of manuals I've read over the years?

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    April 7, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    Once Olbermann called one of the Quorum of The Twelve (I won't mention which one) the "worst person in the world" for a speech he gave at a university several years ago, how universities, more and more, disparage and ridicule people of faith: that is when I gave MSNBC up; It doesn't mean university have to accept faith, just respect all people and be tolerant to all. Olbermann was still upset about Prop. 8 so the talk may have alluded to that as well. I have emailed Chris Matthews (who got his first job in Wash. DC by Utah Senator Moss) telling him he isn't a good Catholic to call people names. Nor is he for being cynical, nor is he for supporting gay marriage. He worships any human who is smart and brilliant according to him. Faith has life; secularism has nothing new. I've had to sit my parents down and tell them, "You can't keep watching this garbage on MSNBC and still go to church, pick one or the other." Religion is more important than politics.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    April 7, 2012 8:38 p.m.

    to EightOhOne Where's the proof

  • deep in thought Salt Lake, UT
    April 7, 2012 7:18 p.m.


    Go to the LDS FAIR website for accurate info on what people claim vs the facts.

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 7, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    2 Bit says "I don't think anybody's questioning the fact that Joseph Smith had multiple wifes. I don't think church members have ever denied that."

    That may be so, but I grew up in the Church in SLC and have attended my whole life (including numerous "Church History" courses) and nobody in the Church has openly discussed Joseph Smith's polygamy in any meetings I've attended. It seems to have been swept under the carpet.

    So, as a member, I would like to know (and think I'm entitled to know) how many wives, and what ages they were when he married them, Joseph Smith had. Does anybody out there know?

  • Vegas Las Vegas, NV
    April 7, 2012 2:04 p.m.


    I can't say your post is 100% correct. For example, Joseph Smith did get caught with the maid in their barn, in 1833. A revelation on polygamy was his defense, and the maid (Fanny Alger) is listed as his first plural wife, with their marriage being in 1833 (although there are no details regarding the ceremony). Three years after the foundation of the church isn't really all that long.

    I agree that what ODonnell said was disgusting and bigoted and directly aimed at belittling a candidate and marginalizing an entire religion.

  • Kansas Garden City, KS
    April 7, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    WHERE'S HARRY REID!! Why haven't we heard Harry standing up? Do you have to tolerate Anti-mormon sentiment and bigotry if you want to be accepted in liberal circles? Unfortunately, as shown recently in the GOP primary, if you want to be on the far right you apparently must also tolerate anti-mormon sentiment, even if it flies just under the radar and unspoken. We all now the real reason the south overwhelmingly supported anyone but Romney. So where will LDS find a home? It appears right now, only in the center.

  • EightOhOne St. George, UT
    April 7, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    @ mamalv

    you do know that the lds church started with an attack on christianity, right??? you do know that joseph claimed that he was told that churches at the time were "wrong" and that "ALL their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt"

    @ snowman

    emily partridge says otherwise

  • snowman Provo, UT
    April 7, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    to really? There is no proof that he had sex with anyone other than Emma.

  • EBO West Valley City, UT
    April 7, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    O'Donnell chastises Mormons for bigotry against blacks, while demonstrating his own bigrotry towards Mormons. Hypocrisy at its finest. His buddy,and executive producer of BIG LOVE, Tom Hanks, is no less guilty of this hate speech! He called Mormons un-American, and in his phoney apology called them discriminators. Hollywood trash---both of them! Between the two of them they know less about Mormonism than my 7 year old grandson!

  • Baseball_dad Salina, KS
    April 7, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    Utah...you people make me laugh. Thank you!

  • mamalv Las Vegas, NV
    April 7, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    Unfortunately MSNBC and Lawrence O'Donnell have made my decision to never watch or support their channel. By allowing Mr. O'Donnells remarks to have aired and to have not appologized is a reflection of just how out of touch they are with America. To allow such a display of bigotry and intolerance was appalling! If you want to know what a Mormon believes today, regardless of what happened over 100 years ago, then ask an expert- a Mormon leader. This is irresponsible reporting to allow their station to misrepresent and to attack any religion. The Mormon religion is a Christian based faith that does so much good all over the world in their humanitarian work and helping people to believe in Jesus Christ. You would never hear the Mormon church attack another religion. Perhaps Lawrence O'Donnell and MSNBC should GET THEIR FACTS STRAIGHT and never allow such offensive and ignorant reporting again. This was one of the worst broadcasts in the history of television news. Shame on you MSNBC!

  • bydie Roswell, GA
    April 7, 2012 8:27 a.m.

    One must ask why O'Donnell isn't making the same accusations against Harry Reid.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    April 7, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    It doesn't matter because no one listens/watches his program.

  • Utah Amicus Bountiful, UT
    April 7, 2012 1:02 a.m.

    I don't get it -- people upset with O'Donnell's words and yet they blame President Obama for O'Donnell's remarks. I will not repeat all the terrible things I've heard heard said about our President,and yet many of the same people who said these terrible remarks are upset about O'Donnell. O'Donnell is a bigot but we should all look in the mirror and be careful not to criticize when we do the same to others including our United States President.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 9:24 p.m.

    "double dare you to read the Book of Mormon and then pray about it with a sincere heart. That will do you more good than reading a 1000 other books."

    Read it, prayed about it, didn't get the sort of answer you're looking for. I've read better books. We can skip the part where you say I wasn't sincere and I say that you're just making excuses for your "promise" not being the guarantee it's claimed to be after all I've run into my comment limit on this article.

  • Truth Seeker Wellsville, UT
    April 6, 2012 5:04 p.m.

    @really 1:29pm April 5th

    I double dare you to read the Book of Mormon and then pray about it with a sincere heart. That will do you more good than reading a 1000 other books.

  • grip Meridian, ID
    April 6, 2012 1:49 p.m.

    I have never watched or listened to this ranting maniac before. This interview indicates a lack of decency, vocabulary (shown by his need to attempt a "shout down" session), an over abundance of bigotry and a lack of respect for human beings, It shows a hatred for everyone except himself.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    April 6, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    I agree they can certainly work together ... as long as they're kept separate. It wouldn't be right for the government to be married to Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Muslim, or any other faith considering we have a multi-cultural country. The only right way to be, as the constitution guarantees us, is completely separated. Church and state completely separated.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 6, 2012 1:25 p.m.

    To "LValfre" you only prove that Secular Humanism is the politically correct way of establishing a state religion.

    Why do we need secularism? The US was founded with its government strongly espoused to a Judeo-Christian belief system, and that lasted for 200 years before the athiests and anti-thiests decided that their belief in Secular Humanism should be the state religion.

    I am not saying that there should be a single state religion, but that religion and government can work together.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    April 6, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    USS Enterprise, UT
    To "utahboni" but we do have the left pushing their favored religion into government. It is called Secular Humanism. Why is it ok for Secular Humanism to be pushed and merged with government, while Christianity is forbidden?"

    You're mistaken. Secularism in politics is simply separation of church and state. What's so hard to understand about that?

    Christianity, nor any other religion, can be pushed and merged with our government. If that's what you want get out of America because our constitution forbids it. Go start your own country that's LDS only like some of these middle eastern countries.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 6, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    To "utahboni" but we do have the left pushing their favored religion into government. It is called Secular Humanism. Why is it ok for Secular Humanism to be pushed and merged with government, while Christianity is forbidden?

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    April 6, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    @2 bits

    100% correct.

    If Lawrence O'Donnell had said something like, "I dislike Mormonism because its early leaders practiced polygamy," I would be okay with that, because I recognize many people feel the same way.

    The problem many LDS people have with O'Donnell's comments really has nothing to do with polygamy, but rather his claim Joseph Smith started Mormonism only as an excuse to justify his polygamist practices.

    If what O'Donnell said is the complete truth, as some of the posts on here said it is, than the claims of other LDS critics as to how and why Smith created Mormonism are totally false.

    Are LDS critics now going to say Smith speedily created the church, wrote the Book of Mormon and started recruiting his family and associates into this church simply as a way of justifying "Getting caught with the maid?"

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 6, 2012 11:09 a.m.


    I don't think anybody's questioning the fact that Joseph Smith had multiple wifes. I don't think church members have ever denied that.

    But what we are discussing here is O'Donnell's lies about the origin of the Church... His statement that Joseph Smith was caught with his maid by his wife... so he decided to form a church so he could ligitimize it.

    Are you saying when he was 14 years old he decided to start this journey so later in life he could get away with poligamy?

    The Church had been organised for quite some time before he recieved any revelation on the ancient concept we now call "poligamy" (a well known practice in the Bible). Poligamy was not even tought by Joseph Smith when he organized the Church, let alone the motivation for organizing the church.

    I think that's the lie we're talking about.

  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    April 6, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    Lawrence O'Donnell is a definite poster child of religious bigotry, specifically against the LDS Church and Mormonism. Being liberal and left-leaning, he is what I would call a neo-Sadducee. But his neo-Pharisee counterparts, like the Texas pastor (& previous) Perry supporter (who now says he will vote for Romney, but holding his nose).

    Santorum's & Gingrich's campaigns & many of their supporters have been more about religious bigotry against Mormonism. The line Santorum likes to use that Romney is not "conservative" enough has much more than political overtones. The "wink, wink" & "nod, nod" part of his campaign really is more about religion. As a big spending Republican congressman and senator, fiscally speaking, Santorum was never really an economic conservative. His rapid rise in Iowa from 2% to 25% in 2 weeks was not due to Iowa voters suddenly seeing Santorum's saintly qualities as a politician. It was, rather, mostly evangelicals getting behind him as the closest thing to a 'certifiable "Christian"' they could agree upon, versus the heretical (and supposedly non-Christian) Mormon, Romney. Mitt not being "conservative enough" (or "conservative" at all) means that he is not a 'traditional Christian' (i.e., Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox).

  • really? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 6, 2012 10:18 a.m.

    A few years back when it became indisputable that Joseph Smith had multiple wives, the conversation switched from denial to the level of intimacy? Are you serious? Come on, true believers, just own it! Your founder and first prophet had multiple wives with whom he had sex. Embrace it, it's true. Deny it and you look foolish.

  • IMAN Marlborough, MA
    April 6, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    RE:Henry Drummond
    San Jose, CA
    This is way over the line. You could easily frame Catholicism or probably any religion in similar terms. Is he asking Rick Santorum similar questions about his faith?


  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    April 6, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    The state of cable news today is so sad. Fox News and MSNBC only spin political comments. There is nothing on the front page of USA Today, The Wall Street Jouranl, the L.A. Times, or the Deseret News that is reported on these cable stations. Even CNN has gone to mostly political editorials and rarely gives us world news except national politics. Headline News no longer delivers the headlines.

    I shutter to think that the real news programs and newspapers are being pushed out.

  • ll27515 Calais, ME
    April 6, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    All I could think about when I was reading this is "Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah! Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer. Blessed to open the last dispensation, Kings shall extol him, and nations revere. Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven! Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain. Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren; Death cannot conquer the hero again."

  • Cato the Elder Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 6, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    Is there a better defense and than, "yes, he was a polygamist"? Please give us some facts we can use as a rebuttal to O'Donnell's chargers

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 6, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    That's how Obama and the democrats function. Obama: "who me? I wouldn't say that. i didn't say that!". But they have surrogates in the media and MSNBC to do the work and Obama can claim "i know nothzing" (Sgt Schultz).

    But I'm sure he supports Harry Reid and the other Dems who are Mormons.

  • utahboni Ogden, UT
    April 6, 2012 8:33 a.m.

    If lawmakers would keep their religion out of legislation, then their religion would be a non-issue. In the last 30 years we have been on a long slide of merging religion and government. A candidate's religious beliefs and values become fair game if they support "faith-based" initiatives.
    When Romney was governor of Massachusetts, he did not pull religion into government. But, this year, on the presidential campaign trail, he has voiced support for faith-based legislation. Since he opened that box, he has to expect push back.
    The rest of the country was content to leave Utah and the LDS alone until they put their money into defeating Prop 8 in California. Once the church took that step, they entered the political arena. Politics are brutal. If a church gets into the middle of politics, then cannot then hide behind a wall of separation of church and state.

  • Al Thepal Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    To those who are saying that what O'Donnell described "actually happened" or happened in reverse to what O'Donnell described, maybe you should do a little objective research before you post. I have done some objective research. Yes, Joseph Smith married other women. But evidence that exists points to it not starting out from an affair. Even quotes from some who left the LDS Church say that his marriage with Fanny Alger (the maid referenced by O'Donnell) was that from the beginning, a marriage not an affair (to be fair, it was a polygamous marriage, but a marriage nonetheless). Furthermore, Joseph Smith probably never fathered any children with anyone but Emma, leaving some to believe he never had sexual relations with anyone but Emma. In short, any attempt to defend O'Donnell is unfounded at best, bigotry at worst.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 6, 2012 7:04 a.m.

    Ignore him.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    April 6, 2012 1:38 a.m.

    Let me give a brief critique Lawrence O'Donnell's comment.

    "Mormonism was created by a guy in upstate New York in 1830 when he got caught having sex with the maid and explained to his wife that God told him to do it."

    This implies Joseph Smith didn't even come up with the idea of starting a religion until he supposedly "got caught... with the maid."

    Untrue. I'm sure even LDS critics would agree with that. Of course, what O'Donnell is referring to is the fact Emma Smith had difficulty accepting Joseph Smith's practice of polygamy, which is true, but O'Donnell clearly sensationalizes this point.

    He said, "Forty-eight wives later, Joseph Smith's lifestyle was completely sanctified in the religion he invented to go with it."

    The first part of this is true, although to what extent he was intimate with these wives is unclear. Of course, we know Brigham Young Young and John Taylor had many children with many wives so its a moot point.

    The second part of this is personal opinion on O'Donnell's part. The same could really be said about almost any religion.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    April 6, 2012 12:59 a.m.

    To my fellow Latter-day Saints. No matter what else is said about our faith or our church's leaders, past or present, never forget these words from Joseph Smith, spoken at a time when the LDS Church was just in its infancy.

    "The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done."

  • zabivka Orem, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:54 p.m.

    @deep in thought:

    You place happiness above truth, which is great. You will live a long and happy life. Your "truth" is found in things that make you happy. Nothing wrong with that.

    Some of the others like me place truth above happiness. We can't help it; we care more about what is actually true than what makes us happy. That's just the way we are; we can't ignore the "preponderance of evidence" in religious matters. Again, nothing wrong with our way of thinking.

    Some day, maybe both types of people can learn to coexist.

  • George Bronx, NY
    April 5, 2012 10:34 p.m.

    So basically as of 10:00 pm this thread is now down to I know you are but what am I. great use of our free speech people.

  • EightOhOne St. George, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    South Jordan, UT

    There's still some confusion as to what obama's religion really is.... Is he Muslim, Christian, atheist? What is he? I don't believe he wants anyone to know, frankly.
    Going to a Christian church once every few months and verbally declaring yourself a Christian, does not make one a Christian. Last time I checked true Christians live their lives centered around Jesus Christ on a daily basis, and it shows in their countenance...I don't see this in barack obama.

    same could be said about willard:

    There's still some confusion as to what romney's religion really is...Do Mormons still believe in polygamy, it's still taught in D&C. What is it? I don't believe he wants anyone to know, frankly. Going to a Mormon church every Sunday and verbally declaring yourself a Christian does not make one a Christian. Last time I checked true Christians live their lives centered around Jesus Christ on a daily basis, and it shows in their countenance...I don't see this in Mitt Romney

    see how this works???

  • silas brill Heber, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:31 p.m.

    Everything O'Donnell said was true. And there's a whole lot more. The age of some of the wives would land many early church leaders in jail today. But that's the paragon of morality. That's apotheosis.

    If you're going to stand up and make a claim about how the universe works and how history has transpired, don't go bellyaching and calling critics "bigots" if they think your beliefs are ridiculous.

  • photographermom South Jordan, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:03 p.m.

    @utahbluedevil, I believe the correct question is will the "liberals" sink any further? Probably not there isn't much further to go.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:03 p.m.

    to mnelsonj: Joseph and fanny did not have an intimate relationship. Joseph had no intimate relationships with his wives. Polygamy then was not what it is today. The revelation about polygamy was given to Joseph years before he even wrote it down or took other wives.

  • Samaritan01 Yuma, CO.
    April 5, 2012 9:55 p.m.

    The Dems want to distract attention from Obama's dismal record. Ignore the smoke and mirrors and demand to see the man behind the curtain, the man they don't want you to see.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    Regarding the nature of Joseph Smith's polygamy, respected LDS historians including Richard Bushman have concluded that there was a sexual component to his relationships with his other wives beside Emma. While polygamy is no longer practiced, we cannot deny it was a part of our early Church history.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 5, 2012 8:44 p.m.

    Lasvegaspam - I read the first two lines of your recital of the stuff you discovered... and stopped because to that point you already had so much factually wrong, it wasn't worth reading further. For example, you accusations of Rape. You do realize the age of consent in Hawaii is 16 years old. Secondly, there is no US standard for age of consent - that is left up to the states.

    So before you go off pumping your chest you have done more than the liberal media has, a little fact checking and brushing up on the law might be advised.

    And even if your "astonishing" news is true, so what. What does his father have to do with anything anyway. When you are hired for a job, does what your dad do make any impact on if you are qualified to do the job. Unbelievable how Barak Obama was conceived is even relevant.

    Will the "conservatives" sink any further into the gutter?

  • The Atheist Provo, UT
    April 5, 2012 8:15 p.m.

    An LDS friend of mine was recently whining about all the "anti-Mormonism" in the media. I ribbed him a bit about "being paranoid". He said, "It isn't paranoia if they really are out to get us!"

    I didn't know why I continue a friendship with him, but now I know it is for the entertainment!

  • OlpuebloguyInWyo Evanston, WY
    April 5, 2012 8:14 p.m.

    I wonder what the liberal media would say or ask about Mormonism if they interviewed The Senate Majority Leader from Nevada? Speak one way out the left side of their mouths and then another way outside the right side. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    April 5, 2012 7:51 p.m.

    If Romney gets elected, then attacks like these are going to be a daily occurrence. As a Latter Day Saint, I can handle the attacks, but what I can't handle is the whining by other latter day saints that we are being attacked. As the church's profile is raised, so will the number of attacks. So what. Deal with it. Get used to it. It'll be interesting to see who can practice what they preach once a little bit of heat is applied.

  • Turk Turkelson WEST JORDAN, UT
    April 5, 2012 7:40 p.m.

    I'm fine with these statements as long as they ask Santorum about his fellow Southern Christians' involvement in slavery. That seems fair to me.

  • rok San Diego, CA
    April 5, 2012 7:36 p.m.

    alcoholic? got caught with the maid? bank criminal? these are all new ones. apparently he was planning a long con when he was 14. Let's see, I'm 14, so I'm going to claim to have seen God so later in life when I'm 30, I can have an affair and excuse it as revelation. Oh yeah, I'll have to write a book in the meantime to further move the story and not give in when I have by head beat in and get covered by tar. All to cover my need to have more than one wife.
    O'Donnell is ridiculous.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    April 5, 2012 7:11 p.m.

    I saw nothing wrong or inaccurate in O'Donnell's little summary of Mormon history.

    Why this tempest in a teapot?

  • happy2BGrandma Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 5, 2012 7:06 p.m.

    It is said that it is better that people think you're stupid--than open your mouth and remove all doubt. If the MSNBC editors allow such yellow journalism, then the public can force the issue by not buying into their broadcasts. Personally, I don't have the time or interest to listen to shoddy, unresearched reporting--how about you?

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    April 5, 2012 7:01 p.m.

    This is just the start. I have said it before. Liberals will make born-again southern evangelicals look friendly toward the church. People like this guy are a prime example of the liberal media hypocrisy. Keep in mind he works for a network who EDITED the 911 call in the Zimmerman case in Florida. They have no interest in the truth and will do ANYTHING to keep Obama in office.

  • WayneDe MONROVIA, CA
    April 5, 2012 6:59 p.m.

    Why is there so much distrust of the journalistic integrity of so many in the media? Lawrence O'Donnell anti-Mormon bias is a good example of what causes the distrust. He didn't do his due-diligence homework, he overstated his case, he used inflammatory language, and when called on it, he refuses to apologize or even take ownership of his errors. He said in his blog in the Huffington Post, I don't hate Mormons; I have several Mormon friends; actually I have one Mormon friend; well actually he is no longer a practicing Mormon. And, to use his own phrase: How is this evidence that you "don't hate Mormons?" To paraphrase he seems to be trying to cover-up his errors and gratify his pride and vain ambition. Mr. O'Donnell, it is understandable that you might make mistakes, but please "own-up," or you do your credibility, and that of your colleagues, great harm.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    April 5, 2012 6:38 p.m.

    Oh well, yet another person lets us know what's in their heart via the blessings of Freedom of the Press and Speech. Nothing new I haven't heard a zillion times the last 35 years or so. Now, just waiting for people to come up to me at work so I can answer their questions about the LDS Church. Keep your sense of humor because any PR is good PR, as long as the individual members are living such that they draw stark contrast to what is said.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 6:05 p.m.

    All those who believe in the truthfulness of the Holy Bible must acknowledge that not all men have historically been able to obtain the priesthood before- and women cannot today in many other faiths aside from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    God is no respecter of persons. It does not matter whether one is black, white, male, female, American, Islamic, Jewish, or Mormon. God loves all His children and every last one of us knows this. The blessings of a heavenly authorized priesthood are available to all those who want it. Women may receive such blessings by administering from another- but the blessings are still readily available. Black members of the church may not have had it but it was ultimately given after we as a people were either faithful enough or righteous enough to receive it.

    LDS doctrine is that God is an unchanging God, that we are the ones who change in our willingness to live and believe in what's right. Those who take the time to listen, to consider, and peacefully discuss- even as Dr. King himself suggested- will understand. Those living in hatred will never accept the truth.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    April 5, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    Bring it on.

    Romney could easily neutralize attacks such as this by these clowns.

    You wanna talk about Mormonism?? Let's discuss the humanitarian aid given in times of natural disaster, to the tune of $millions of dollars to the benefit of hundreds of thousands all over the world. Let's discuss how the Mormon church promotes education around the world including a perpetual education fund for the under privileged. Let's discuss the Church's welfare programs and facilities that feed the hungry and teach its recipients about self-reliance. Let's discuss the Church's promotion of Women throughout the world through one of the oldest and largest Women's organizations in existence.

    And this is the church Romney believes in. Now let's hear about yours.

    We could go on - but I think you get the point. Nuff said.

  • UtahBronco Lehi, UT
    April 5, 2012 5:29 p.m.

    JSH 1:33 "...and that my name should be had for good and evil among all nations, kindreds, and tongues, or that it should be both good and evil spoken of among all people."

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 5, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    Re: "Read this: "Studies of the Book of Mormon." by B.H. Roberts. . . . Read it, I dare you."

    Read it. Liked it, for what it is -- an honest, if incomplete work, full of dated, even demonstrably false assumptions, and suggesting further research into issues, many of which have been addressed and resolved in favor of the Book of Mormon by recent, careful scholarship.

    Suggesting it demonstrates shaken faith on the part of its author, or that it should shake the faith of believing Mormons, is either sophomoric or sophistry.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    April 5, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    This is all so reminiscent of certain personalities said about Islam for years following 9/11. The vile crud coming from Sean Hannity sitting behind a desk at Fox News was pretty similar. I guess it was okay because it was directed as Islam and not at Mormons, right?

    BTW, maybe we need to put down the persecution card. When you react this way, the opposition will continue to poke.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 5, 2012 4:16 p.m.


    "Wow. Hyper partisanship is alive and well"

    very true and we need look no further then your rhetoric laced post to see that is true.

  • Sigfried Payson, UT
    April 5, 2012 4:06 p.m.

    I like Mitt. I hope he wins.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 5, 2012 4:03 p.m.

    @counter intelligence

    So what part of my original post confused you? I already addressed this issue about having to renounce every guy with a platform to spew nonsense. He does not speak for me or anyone but himself beyond that I would refer you back to my first post.

  • George Bronx, NY
    April 5, 2012 3:52 p.m.

    @counter intelligence

    again with the distortions? it was not the Clinton campaign it was an anonymous group that claimed to support Clinton.

    April 5, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    What outrages slander of Joseph Smith & the church. ridiculous.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 5, 2012 3:07 p.m.

    What makes me scratch my head is the people who are so angry about people attacking Mitt's religion... so they respond by attacking Obama's religion! (or the vagueness or lack of consistency in what Obama's religious beliefs have been over his lifetime)

    I say if you don't like people attacking Mitt's religion with lies... that last thing you would do is attack Obama's religion with lies.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    April 5, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    If Harry Reid had substance, he would publicly condemn O'Donnell's rant. My respect for him would increase a hundredfold if he did, but my hunch is he'll remain sadly quiet on the issue. I hope I'm wrong.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    April 5, 2012 2:53 p.m.

    To Really:

    You read my comment 100 percent incorrectly! And I also said in my posts:

    "Besides,just because the other guy does it, doesn't mean WE should tolerate hatred in any form.That is just an excuse to escalate Hatred even more!" 11:55 AM Post.

    In, addition Really I have constantly gone after FOX news(at least 50 posts) for comments about others. I have singled out many FOX commentors including Hannity and Susteran. So again, your comment is inaccurate and meant to be inflammatory because it is not based on fact but your assumption! The hate speech just needs to end. Again, people like O"Donnell need to put on notice that HATRED of any type needs to end!

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    April 5, 2012 2:49 p.m.

    Harry Reid, darling of the left and of msnbc, needs to step up and correct the hate speech coming from O'Donnell.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 5, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    "@ nonbeliever. Name one incident where Obama’s religion was attacked on Fox News! Just one!"

    Mountainman, just read your challenge, and I am not sure nonbeliever saw it, but I will give you a jump start. Just go review what our very own Glenn Beck said on FoxNews about Religions and Social Justice.

    Or just do a search on FoxNews itself. It isn't that hard, I would past links if I could.

    And you seriously, dont remember seeing anything about Reverend Wright on there... really? Try searching the site for "As Obama talks religion, questions surround his controverial pastor".

    I know Mountainman you only wanted one, but I thought I would give choices. The Glenn Beck stuff is by far the most entertaining, perhaps start there.

    For the record - all of this is silly,claims one side is doing it more than the other, that the media is showing a biase here is mostly in the eyes of the beholder. These issues were present all the way back to Jefferson and Franklin and their faith in Universalism, or Adams following of Joseph Priestley and his teaching on Unitarianism.

    This is nothing new.

  • Janet Ontario, OR
    April 5, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    O'Donnell assumes that all Mormons will vote for Romney. I have been in groups of LDS people who assumed that all Mormons oppose Obama. I think we all know what happens when we assume. I have been known to agree with O'Donnell from time to time, but I won't ever watch him again. It's time we learned civil discourse -- and unitedly eschewed bigotry -- in this country. Those who actually watch MSNBC need to speak out against O'Donnell's bigotry; those who actually watch FOX should speak out when bigotry raises its ugly head on that network. Show the people who make inappropriate remarks that their constituents are offended; they don't care if their opponents are!

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    April 5, 2012 2:28 p.m.

    Problem: O'Donnell is paid to be a journalist. I'm not, yet seem to have uncovered more facts than any left-leaning reporter chooses to share about Barack Obama's own family history. Barack’s biological father, 24-year-old Barack Obama, Sr. of Kenya, impregnated 17-year-old Anne Dunham. That would be statutory rape in these United States, of which Hawaii was a brand new one in 1960 when this occurred. Even more astonishing, though, is the fact that Barack Sr. was ALREADY MARRIED at the time, with a wife and child back in Kenya. Barack Sr.’s first wife, Kezia, later stated she had granted her consent for him to marry a second wife, in keeping with Luo customs.

    "Polygamy?", you ask, "in our President's own family?" No worries. The corrupt media will only dwell on a Mitt Romney polygamy connection of over a century ago.

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    April 5, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    I am a liberal Democrat and I think O'Donnell is as big an idiot as Rush or Hannity. They are all a bunch of blow hard no nothings who have severe "God Complexes".

    If you’re basing your vote on what those jerks have to say then I would prefer you not vote.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    Is this article seriously trying to imply that Obama controls MSNBC and Lawrence O'Donnell? Seriously?

    If yes, does that mean that Romney controls Fox News and Bill O'Reilly?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 5, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    Uber-Lame misrepresentations of historical facts in his statements. If that's about as much "truth" as you expect from your "News"... go ahead and keep watching this drivel on MSNBC... if it fits your agenda, why not revel in it (regardless of whether what he says is provably not true).

    I can see disagreeing on doctrine, theology or subjective things like politics... but knowingly misrepresenting documented historical fact... is lame in my opinion. But some people will just love it, and keep watching MSNBC. Heck, it fits their presumtions and prejudices, so why not?

    Dishonesty parading as "NEWS" whether it's from FOXNews OR MSNBC... is wrong IMO.
    That's why I don't watch either of them.

  • barkermom Hurricane, UT
    April 5, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    Fox doesn't attack Obama's religion. They just say that nobody is really sure what religion Obama is because what he says about that seems different than what he says and does at other times. This is so far out that it really doesn't hurt Romney or the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

  • GneissRocks Washington, UT
    April 5, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    Waiting for Barack Obama to invite Larry O'Donnell and Orrin Hatch to the Rose Garden for another of his famous man-date beers, even though Orrin would have to defer for a Pepsi Free, so they can work out their misguided conceptions of one another.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 5, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    Lawrence O'Donnell is being silly. The Mormon faith is no more ridiculous than any other religious faith. All of them obey Archie Bunker's definition of faith: "Faith is believing in something that no one in their right mind would believe."

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    April 5, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    There are actually people on these blogs trying to defend the indefensible. Wow. Hyper partisanship is alive and well.

    O'Donnell has been a Democrat political operative for many years, so don't try to claim he has no connection. He is a surrogate for the Obama campaign.

    This shows just how dirty this is going to get. It is a desperate attempt to destroy Romney and is religious bigotry at its worst that should have been relegated to the trash heap of history long ago.

    We have been persecuted for almost two centuries because of these kinds of lies. Anyone, liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat should be condemning O'Donell's vile attacks. I wrote to MSNBC four years ago to complain about his remarks then. As you can see, it didn't do any good. Now, they have new owners. Maybe it will do some good now.

  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    April 5, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    If we can survive an official extermination order- we can survive the rantings of a seemingly ignorant mouthpiece-- all the media coverage only brought the comments further into the light--it was on MSNBC, so who really saw it?

  • deep in thought Salt Lake, UT
    April 5, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    @ JimmyJackJohnJones

    I have some "required" reading for you. Go to LDS.org and read all 6 hours worth of conference talks given less than a week ago.

    They are filled with messages of hope, forgiveness, kindness, Christ, family, and love. Far better than any third party's slanted rendition of "what my religion is."

    No wonder Rick Santorum thinks he will do so well in Texas. Best wishes to you.

    In all honesty, there isn't anything anyone could tell me about Joseph Smith that would change how I live. Going to church makes me happy, saying prayers makes me happy, reading scriptures makes me happy, raising children to be honest, free of drugs, and obedient makes me happy. Why argue with so much ugliness against a religion that is helping to raise productive people along with other good Christian and non-Christian religious groups. REALLY? Save the venom for groups who is hurting society and draining the social resources.

  • really? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 5, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    procuradorfiscal: Read this: "Studies of the Book of Mormon." by B.H. Roberts. He was a member of the seventy and died in good standing in the LDS religion. He was not a bigot and was not mean-spirited. Read it, I dare you.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 5, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    Let’s compare apples to apples, shall we….

    O’Donnell is an over the top, Media-bimbo, fanning the fans for ratings….
    Limbaugh is an over the top, Media-bimbo, fanning the fans for ratings….

    There, is everybody happy?

  • Steven Harper Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    Romney's switch from moderate to rabid Republican has been accompanied by his own shills and surrogates (if O'Donnell qualifies, so do Mitt's Citizens United-fueled Super PAC ads). But just because candidate-now-President Obama's religion has been attacked, vilified, and misrepresented for four years, it is still no reason to attack Mitt's Mormonism.
    Intransigent Obama haters are demanding that he personally denounce O'Donnell's virulent outbursts, yet none of the Republican presidential candidates has had the decency (or courage) to denounce Rush Limbaugh's or Glenn Beck's characterizations of our president as Muslim, socialist, birther target, etc. Perhaps silence is golden when it respects free speech. Especially vitriolic nonsense.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 5, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    I really thought that this piece was about O'Donnell.

    But if I follow the logic here, Obama is the puppet master of the media and everything they say and do is at his beck and call. Is it fair and reasonable then to make the same association that anything in any of the media that is said by the media the attacks Obama is similary at the direction of the Romney campaign, and is a refection of Romney as a person?

    I am just wondering, seeing how it seems only right to apply the same standards to all partied involved.

    Really guys, are your glasses just that tainted and everything that happens in life has an Obama hate spin on it.

    How sad.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 5, 2012 1:11 p.m.

    Re: "There are some excellent books describing the beginnings of Mormonism that every Latter Day Saint should read."

    Yeah -- and after you've read all those "excellent" books [I read -- skimmed, really -- most of them], you'll have not the slightest extra insight into Mitt Romney's, Joseph Smith's, or any other Mormon's beliefs or character.

    But reading these thoroughly discredited, plainly mean-spirited polemics will certainly give the reader great insight into the [lack of] character, ethics, and personality of their authors, as well as those of like-minded modern bigots -- people like Lawrence O'Donnell, Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, and Santorum's Florida campaign manager.

    Enough so, to make you feel sorry for them -- sad, small-minded, little faux-faustian functionaries, dancing to another's tune and motivated primarily by blind, uninformed, unreasoned, unyielding hate, as much for themselves, as for their intended victims.

  • John S. Harvey Sandy, UT
    April 5, 2012 1:01 p.m.

    This is idiocy, the only attacks to date have come from either REPUBLICANS or the media (usually right wing conservative commentators, not left leaning ones); no Democrat who has ever run against Romney has attacked the LDS religion.

  • really? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 5, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    Re don17: Relax, the factually inaccurate, inflammatory words of Mr. O'Donnell are no worse than the half-truths, smears, and outright lies we hear every day on fox news. The only difference is that you like hearing those words. Perhaps this idiocy displayed by O'Donnell can serve as a wake up call to everyone.
    Then again, it won't.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    April 5, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    If Joseph Smith was a fraud, why would he keep so many records? Why would he tell others to keep records? Why did the church grow to 25,000 people by the time he passed away if he wasn't honest? Ivy League educated people like O'donnell and Frank Rich and Keith Olbermann think they are so smart and yet they are blind to the obvious: Joseph Smith was the most moral, wise and well-rounded man our country has ever had.

  • Sunshine52 South Jordan, UT
    April 5, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    With O’Donnell’s style of in depth research (sarcasm) he should apply to the National Enquirer for his next job.

  • JimmyJackJohnJones Jonestown, TX
    April 5, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    For anyone interested in the early history of the church, here are a few items worth checking out.

    There are some excellent books describing the beginnings of Mormonism that every Latter Day Saint should read. "Gleanings By The Way" by John A. Clark is one. "Utah and the Mormons" by Benjamin G. Ferris is another. Early Days Of Mormonism" by James Henry Kennedy is great. J.W. Gunnison's excellent book "The Mormons, or Latter Day Saints in the Valley of the Great Salt Lake" is a must read. "Tell It All" is a great narrative about life in Salt Lake in the 1880s by T.B.H. Stenhouse. Another good one is "Female Life Among The Mormons" by Maria Ward. And of course there's the classic, "Wife Number 19" by Ann Eliza Young.

    All are available for free download from Google Books.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    April 5, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    MSNBC is Owned by NBC Universal 30 Rockefeller Center NYC,NY. The local affiliate is KSL Salt Lake City! They need to be called 500,000 times today and complained at for accepting this junk hate speech without a fight! Boycotting NBC products and programming should not be out of the question now either! Thank You!

  • mnelsonj West Jordan, UT
    April 5, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    When I read the statements that were made against my church, I first thought, well what he's saying is technically true. If I were to go to the Maxwell institute or FAIR they address all of these issues. Fanny Alger and Joseph Smith did have an intimate relationship in Kirtland. Oliver Cowdery was excommunicated because he accused Joseph Smith of adultery whereas Joseph could have revealed the polygamy revelation with him. John Taylor the 3rd Pres of the church writes that he and Richards, and Joseph and Hyrum drank wine for the purpose of getting drunk in Carthage Jail. The WOW was viewed differently then then now. These things are true. Either you accept that Joseph Smith was a fraud and a liar, or you accept him as human. The history is messy to put it nicely. If we were taught the factual history in church, when he hear reporters and non-members talk about the church then we already know whats going on, and don't automatically assume that these people are anti-Mormon or lying.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    April 5, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    alt134; When was the last time MSNBC had a official representative of the LDS Church on to rebut what they say? Have you seen an Articulate straight forward Elder Holland on MSNBC? No!

    On FOX you will see Rev. Sharpton and other Black Activists as well as Muslims or Atheists with views differing from FOX's general stand. But they do try to represent all sides! MSNBC? Not a chance! On this point your points are lacking a strong position.

    Besides, just because the other guy does it, doesn't mean WE should tolerate hatred in any form! That is just an excuse to escalate hatred even more!

    O'Donnell needs to go. We should all be screaming at MSNBC every last one of us who are against any type of hatred and his talk is HATE SPEECH!

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    April 5, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    Within 5 minutes of hearing these comments by O'Donnell and complaining to MSNBC I commented here on the DN site about this! I am glad this reporter picked this up and ran with it! Now is the time to take the ball into the Endzone and end this bigotry! Having lived through blatant, physically abusive Anti-Mormon discrimination we can not continue to tolerate this bully at his pulpuit of HATE! He needs to go and go now!

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    April 5, 2012 11:45 a.m.

    Here is the main problem with O'donnell's comment. He said "Now part of Romney's religion problem is that he's a part of a new religion. Established religions like Judaism, which is about 4,000 years old, and Christianity, which is about 2,000 years old, don't easily warm up to new religions like Romney's, which is only 182 years old. Mormonism was created by a guy in upstate New York in 1830 when he got caught having sex with the maid and explained to his wife that God told him to do it. Forty-eight wives later, Joseph Smith's lifestyle was completely sanctified in the religion he invented to go with it...."
    Now according to this comment Joseph Smith started the Church because he was caught having an affair with the maid.That would be Fanny Alger his first plural wife. The problem is that that marriage was in 1833. That is 3 years after the Church was organized and there is documented conflict over the Book of Mormon before 1830. So his facts are SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    If as some are claiming that religion can be used. Then obama will need to disclose his religious beliefs. Explain his 20 or so years with Rev Wright, and his sudden departure when he ran for office. I suppose that the left hates the constitution, so, let's make religion a test for the office of presidency. But then again obama can't even run on his religious affiliation. obama has nothing to run on at all. Even using his wife he has nothing. obama needs to go. Today would be good, 3.5 years ago would have been better.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 5, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    @ Max, "Fox would never keep anybody around like that." I have never laughed so hard! (I sure hope you were tongue in cheek).

  • Ike82 HASTINGS, MI
    April 5, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    What about Haplogroup X? DNA research in genetics journals, (non-LDS sources) that show this baffling link between Native Americans, namely the Hopewell indians and the Druze. The Druze are a group in Israel. All of the evidence predates Columbus. It is odd how the facts you choose to ignore are exactly the facts that you try to use to prove your point. Facts don't prove the BoM, but slanderous comments about Joseph Smith only make you look like a bigot.

  • Whos Life RU Living? Ogden, UT
    April 5, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    To Mountanman,

    When Fox news comes out with a campaign like, "Obama Administration’s War on Religion," is that not an attack?

    Look at Ms. W’s comment. Fox has done an excellent job at tearing apart Obama’s faith.
    I guess it is Mitt’s turn to get abused just as Obama did right?

    O’Donnell exaggerated details just like what the far right does of the left.
    Joseph Smith was probably not an alcoholic, but he did moderately drink and smoke even after the word of wisdom revelation. 48 wives probably not, but at least 33.

    The far right and left take facts and exaggerate them to make situations sound worse than they are. Unfortunately, people will keep calling Obama a muslim and Romney will be faced with similar garbage as well.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    April 5, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    Non Believer,

    But O'donnell is making up stuff out of thin air. He doesn't do any research. He doesn't let any facts get in the way of his stories. Only a vile and immoral person does that. Fox would never keep anybody around like that.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    @Ms. W

    "There's still some confusion as to what obama's religion really is.... Is he Muslim, Christian, atheist? What is he? I don't believe he wants anyone to know, frankly.
    Going to a Christian church once every few months and verbally declaring yourself a Christian, does not make one a Christian. Last time I checked true Christians live their lives centered around Jesus Christ on a daily basis, and it shows in their countenance...I don't see this in barack obama."

    He's a Christian. He's always been Christian. Heck, one of the attacks on him is that he spent 20 years occasionally attending a particular Christian church. Going to a Christian church once every few months is called normal Christian activity in the northeast. Verbally declaring yourself a Christian means that you identify as a Christian and are a Christian. Obama's a good, decent, great family man (just like Romney), what in the world gives you the authority to judge him and condemn him as not being a Christian?

  • George Bronx, NY
    April 5, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    January 19, 2007, editions of Fox & Friends First and Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade, along with co-hosts Steve Doocy and Gretchen Carlson, spent several segments advancing a false report that then-Sen. Barack Obama was raised a Muslim and attended a madrassa, or Islamic school, as a child in Indonesia

    June 16, 2008, edition of Special Report, then-host Brit Hume falsely claimedthat Malik Obama, Barack Obama's half-brother, "tells The Jerusalem Post that 'if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.'

    sept 10, 2010 fox promoted Ann Coulters Column in which Coulter argues that the "nonsense" about Obama being a Muslim "has got to stop" because Obama "is obviously an atheist."

    3/30/11 O”Riley factor Donald trump stated during a conversation about Obama’s birth certificate “He may have one but there's something on that, maybe religion, maybe it says he is a Muslim.

  • BYU Track Star Los Angeles, CA
    April 5, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    Last weekend some young man tried to have a "Gotcha" moment with Mitt during a candidate Q&A. The question was about interracial marriage referenced in the Book of Moses. Mitt wisely side-stepped the question and went on to the Next question. In all fairness are we electing a President or a Chief Chaplain of these United States?

    O'Donnel raised unconfortable but valid questions about the Prophet and other issues.

    The question before the America should be who be govern better. The Havard Educated Lawyer, Great-Grandson of Polygamists whose family twice was kicked out of this country OR the Harvard educated Lawyer son of a Muslim from Kenya (whose current economic policies seem to be getting more people working)?

  • Ms.W South Jordan, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:40 a.m.

    "It's all fair game since FOX has been attacking Obama's religion since 2008."

    There's still some confusion as to what obama's religion really is.... Is he Muslim, Christian, atheist? What is he? I don't believe he wants anyone to know, frankly.
    Going to a Christian church once every few months and verbally declaring yourself a Christian, does not make one a Christian. Last time I checked true Christians live their lives centered around Jesus Christ on a daily basis, and it shows in their countenance...I don't see this in barack obama.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:37 a.m.

    I suppose O'Donnel feels Senator Harry Reid is all of those things that he is pinning on President-Elect Mitt Romney. I guess he feels obama should never appointed Jon Huntsman as an ambassador to China. Does O'Donnel know how many "Mormons" are in political positions on all sides of the politcal spectrum?

    Where is Al Sharpton on this? Why isn't he marching and demanding O'Donnel lose his job? You'll notice the "Mormons" aren't marching and demanding entitlements over this.

    MSNBC needs to issue an apology. Not just a quick article blurb. But, it needs to be a full week of apologizing to the LDS community for this slander. It's people like O'Donnel that spread misinformation and hate, and it a quick blurb is not going to reach the masses. The convenient "unintended" consequences has already been done.

    I wonder if O'Donnel feels like a bigger person for slandering a minority group. As a Liberal I am way embarrased of this person.

  • Chris from Rose Park PROVO, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    @non believer - "The Right still verbally attacks his former Preacher, Rev Wright. Why should Mitt get a free pass?"

    You make a good point. I don't think there should be any "free passes" but I do think that both Obama and Romney should not be having these attacks. I am very disappointed on the attacks to Obama. I disagree with his policies, because I want to be governed and represented a different way, but that does not give me or anybody else the right to spread falsehoods about his faith.

    I think both Democrats, Republicans, and Independents need to step up in their individual character and stop bigotry. It's starts with ourselves, can we work to eliminate it from ourselves. Second, we need to not only support the rights of those we agree with but also support and uphold the rights of those we don't ( self admittedly this isn't easy ).

    I'm not asking for a free pass to Romney, I'm asking for all of us to grow up and be respectful to one another. Disagreements can be healthy, but disrespect based on beliefs and bigotry based on incorrect facts about beliefs is deplorable.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    "non believer" is correct. I regularly watch MSNBC and I'll agree that O'Donnell is over the top when it comes to Mormonism. But that is his right to think that way, just as virtually all of the Southern Baptist community has the right to rip Mormonism. I don't see the same attacks on Mormons coming from the other MSNBC hosts, and my long standing knowledge of Chris Matthews is that he is actually friendly and respectful of Mormons and the Church. On commentator does not make the whole, and thin-skinned Mormons need to stop thinking that the left is picking on them based on one guy. Your threat is more from the right. Be mature and let it roll off your back. On the other hand, why are Mormons climbing into bed with the conservative Christian crowd, who will never fully accept Mormons? Look at the polls. They put Mormonism right up there with Islam. Talk about selective amnesia.

  • JT4 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    I see two or three posters here saying that what O'Donnell said was true. That's very interesting. It seems to me that anything so wild with a shred of evidence would be general knowledge precisely because so many wish to refute the validity of the movement--or do you really think the LDS Church has the ability to sweep it all under the rug? So, it probably behooves anyone suggesting these things are true to let us all know the sources behind said evidence. Having done a fair amount of "research" myself, I am quite willing to assert that whatever sources exist would be extremely shaky indeed.

  • JimmyJackJohnJones Jonestown, TX
    April 5, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    I've been reading Mormon history recently and virtually everything in those last couple of paragraphs is true. O'Donnell may have used some not very kind adjectives, but it all fairly accurate. Joseph Smith was convicted, he did love to drink and he was a bit of a scoundrel. It's all well documented, just the Church likes to pretend it didn't happen. Heck, in Salt Lake Brigham Young was the main retailer of whiskey and many elders boasted that they'd never drink a drop that wasn't made by brother Brigham.

    You can't claim bigotry if something is true but you just don't like the way it sounds.

  • LDS Revelations Sandy, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:18 a.m.

    Lawrence O'Donnell, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Maher, Bill O'Reilley. They all say provocative stuff. That's their deal. So what's the difference? Why are some people made at some of the comments and others not. It all has to do with the choir you are— the one they're preaching to or not. LDS feeling offended and hurt over O'Donnell's remarks but many if not most probably were not up in arms about Obama not a Christian comments.......or birther claims. Obama caught grief for going to Rev. Wright's church because of Wright's black liberation theology and thats fine to most/many. But if someone questions how Romney's Mormonism has dealt with race— or on the origins of Mormonism— it is unthinkable.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:18 a.m.

    MSN is more objective than Faux.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:18 a.m.

    It is funny how O'Donnell's arguments work against him. He criticizes the LDS Church for a polygamist past, but O'Donnell obviously profits from that today. He brings up DNA and the Book of Mormon, but ignores that DNA proves that Joseph Smith wasn't the libertine that O'Donnell claims he was.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    Having been censored at 9:35, I am trying again.

    This is really a product of political bias. If Obama and Romney were to have been switched in their party affiliations, the comments would be negative on Obama’s religious activity and silent on Romney’s religious beliefs.

    Mr. O'Donnell is the host of "The last Word" on MSMBC. IF you go to their web page you can get the address to email the show. I am sure he would love to hear from you.

  • Mike in Texas Cedar City, Utah
    April 5, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    Much of what O'Donnell is saying is based upon historical fact. He conclusions and charges may be faulted, but his basic history is essentially correct. But this stuff has no place in a political campaign whether directed at Romney or Obama. Look hard enough and you can find history that will embarrass most religions. The Mormon Church is no exception.

  • George Bronx, NY
    April 5, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    @counter intelligence
    He does not speak for me. So can we know expect you, every other conservative and Romney will renounce every specific comment made by every half wit with access to a microphone or the internet that says something repugnant about Obama? Should we ask Romney and Obama to specifically renounce every troll that comes on threads like these and makes inapprioate comment?. it is just a silly distraction.

  • kishkumen American Fork, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    I'm not sure why Hatch is making these statements about our president because President Obama, to date, has not criticized Romney's religion nor has he criticized his opponent's religious affiliations in the past. I grew up LDS, and have lived in Utah all my life. I started wondering if the types of things O'Donnell said are accurate. I did some research and discovered that O'Donnell's comments are true; however, I agree that he is using those facts to preach intolerance of Romney's faith.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 5, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    @ nonbeliever. Name one incident where Obama’s religion was attacked on Fox News! Just one!

  • CT98 Saint George, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:54 a.m.

    MSNBC is biased to the Left just as Fox is biased to the Right. What O'Donnell said about Joseph did in fact happen but O'Donnell is drawing conclusions and framing the arguments in a biased, bigoted manner. Any church could be viewed in such light.

    It is difficult to judge the events of Joseph's life because they happend 180 years ago in a different time and place. Joseph was an imperfect man who was doing his best to fulfil the calling he was given. It doesn't bother me one bit to realize that Joseph used the principle of repentance throughout his life. Faith is required to reconcile the seemingly disturbing factual events of LDS history.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    @deep in thought
    There are relevant religious questions that would be fair to ask Romney. O'Donnells comments however were beyond the line of acceptability.

    That said, I don't care about any reprimand teaming up with conservatives because conservative newshosts (opinion hosts) reglarly attack muslims and atheists to the delight of their viewers. Now if your petition had a giant list of examples of religious bigotry from members on both sides of the political spectrum... I'd listen to that.

  • onceuponatime Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    I wonder why Comcast continues to support this guy?

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    Anti-Mormon propaganda has led to many LDS conversions. Another news flash, there are Mormon democrats, and some very powerful ones. And yes, they reconcile the democrat party line to their LDS faith. And yes, they are as much responsible for LDS church's decision-making 150 years ago as Mitt Romney is.

    O-Donnell's problem is he think the LDS church's membership would leave the church if they found out Joseph Smith wasn't a saint. Unfortunately for him, it appears that most members have gotten an answer directly from God through the Holy Spirit with regards to the validity of the Book of Mormon. They can't deny it is true, even if Joseph Smith was a sinner (like us all).

    Lastly, the desire, planning, and act of tearing down anyone's faith is absurd. What's the point? If you think you have something better, then share it. Don't sit around taking pot-shots at other's houses. Maybe, O'Donnell is hoping they are made of glass.

  • non believer PARK CITY, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    MSNBC is to the Left what FOX News is to the Right..... It's all fair game since FOX has been attacking Obama's religion since 2008. I still here from idiots that he is a Muslim and not Christian. The Right still verbally attacks his former Preacher, Rev Wright. Why should Mitt get a free pass?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    He should've attacked atheists or muslims or black liberal religious people, then he'd have gotten a job at foxnews.

  • Puddles Grand Forks, ND
    April 5, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    @ Deep in thought

    There isn't any petition that I know of. But you can go onto the MSNBC website and request a correction. You can locate it on their website under the shortcuts. Yes it is true poligamy is apart of the LDS past there is not denying that and we shoudn't try to hide it. But as for the rest of what was said, O'Donnell was wrong.

  • bigv56 Cottonwood, CA
    April 5, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    DO we expect any less from msnbc? Propaganda aping of deems and th e Obama campaign

  • non believer PARK CITY, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    Well, he is not completely off base on his comments.... Though one can find fault in EVERY religion since no God's or Deity's have appeared in the last 2000 years.... Joseph WAS convicted of being a Glass Looker and of Bad Moral Character years before he started the church. So some of what he said is true...... But like I always say, a half truth is still a lie... Just ask Sarah Palin!!!!!!

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 5, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    @ Truthseeker. The best predictor of a person’s future behavior is their past behavior. Do the terms “social Darwinism” and the threats to the SCOTUS mean anything to you? Of course team Obama will resort to personal attacks to get elected. What else has he got?
    And yes, Obama does own the airwaves, and MSNBC hacks prove it!

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    April 5, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    O'Donnell is entitled to his opinion that's what makes this country so great. However, as in all decisions and actions that we make there will always be consquences which we have no control over, either in this life or the next. Perhaps, one day or future time, O'Donnell may have the opportunity to talk to Joseph Smith about his life. Now that would be interesting.

  • Pete1215 Lafayette, IN
    April 5, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    Jeramiah Wright vs Joseph Smith. They should put this on pay-per-view.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    Obviously inaccurate but what he said happened, not in the order he said it in.
    The LDS Church has oddities, just like all other faiths. Those other faiths are more mainstream which is why they seem less odd.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    So several people on this thread are claiming that surrogate for Obama are and will be attacking Romeny. So then I suppose it will be far for those that support Obama to assume any comment made by an idiot with a microphone that slams Obama is nothing more then a surrogate of Romney that Romeny secretly supports? O’Donnell’s comments where way out of line but to try to paint Obama and all liberals with the same brush as this guy seems like a really desperate act to draw attention away from an honest debate about the issues.

  • deep in thought Salt Lake, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    Such a pity...

    I spent some good time and energy yesterday on these boards defending the liberals as being friendlier to the Mormon church than conservative Rick Santorum and his buddies.

    O'Donnell's statements are both inaccurate and disgusting. I hope liberals and conservatives would unite to get this man reprimanded. Could you imagine the outrage if these statements were about Buddah or Muhammad? Any petitions I can sign to protest? Please let me know.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    April 5, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    This is way over the line. You could easily frame Catholicism or probably any religion in similar terms. Is he asking Rick Santorum similar questions about his faith?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    April 5, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    Since I don't watch O'Donnell often, I had to track down what he said. Yeah, over-the-top. O'Donnell seems unaware that Romney is speaking to the Republican base, that the religion vs govt. issue has been a favorite rallying cry for quite some time, most recently evidenced by the uproar over contraceptives. But I am also curious as to what O'Donnell's sources are.

    There is no shortage of issues Obama can use against Romney. He doesn't need to and wouldn't resort to religion. Obviously Obama doesn't control the airwaves.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    O'Donnell's anti-Mormon credentials are long. And his rants are so over-the-top that they will gain no real credibility.

    I don't think we can attribute this behavior to the Obama campaign anymore than we can blame Romney for Limbaugh, Hannity and the gang. MSNBC is the liberal answer to FOX.

    By the way, what ever happened to broadcast journalists with integrity? Did they walk away with Walter Cronkite?

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    April 5, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    Readers may want to reflect to the past...
    Selective forgetfulness has overtaken many Republicans...
    The LDS Church has, um... one might call it, a "colorful past", to say the least.
    President Obama was, and still is constantly being denigrated because of his religion.
    This may be just the beginning of many issues which can fall under the classification of Karma for the Republican party.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    Lawrence O'Donnell is a self avowed leftist/socialist and a completely vicious, vile person. He did the same thing four years ago and demanded, at that time, that Mitt Romney apologize for all the "crimes" the Mormon Church had committed.

    He will do ANYTHING to get Obama re-elected and will do anything to try to destroy Romney. He has told lie after lie about Mormons for years and is one of the producers of the TV show "Big Love."

    Fortunately, MSNBC only has about five viewers, BUT even MSNBC should fire anyone who displays such blatant religious bigotry.

    The Obama campaign won't directly attack the LDS Church, but they are using their surrogates, like O'Donnell, to do their dirty work for them.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 5, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    It's the Chigao way.

    Of course, Obama himself will deplore such tactics, while his surrogates fan the flames of bigotry and hatred.

    This will be the dirtiest campaign in history.

  • California Steve Hanford, CA
    April 5, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    Would O'Donnell still be on the air if he had said something derogatory about Islam? I think not.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 5, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    Well, what else can they run Obama’s campaign on? His record…..? Their ONLY option, is personal attacks, even if they have to be manufactured!