Great, Good, or Bad... Bottom Line... 42Yrs is Too Long.
Daddiooh, Term limits are only a pipedream if you make them so. This is a govt
of the people, by the people, remember?
LDS lib,You KNOW that if Hatch gets the nomination he will win
re-election. As much as we dislike Hatch, we despise seeing harry abuse his
position as majority leader and damaging the country as a result.But
I will be watching the polls on election night, and if the repubs gain a safe
majority in the senate without him, I will vote for Ashdown so we can be SURE
Hatch will not be the repub nominee in 2018. If we need Hatch to keep harry
from being majority leader – sorry Pete.Daddiooh,Being
friendly with the other side does not make one an enemy to conservative values.
However, when you defer to your liberal friends and vote “present”
because your liberal friend is not there to offset your vote, your friendship
has compromised your allegiance to your constituents. Hatch as done that.
Hatch did an exceptional job of defending his record while literally being
attacked from both sides. I think he made his case in spite of laughs and jeers
from the Liljenquist supporters in the audience and he did it with confidence
and with dignity.The man who came out of this debate looking the
best however was Chris Herrod. Chris was able to make his case for the job
without appearing arrogant or relying too much on a single legislative
accomplishment in his career. I think what we saw last night was a statesman in
the twilight of his career, a leader coming into the spotlight, and a politician
on the attack. It was very interesting to watch.
I was not impressed with Hatch, I have been a supporter of Herrod but really
like what I heard from Liljenquist. I thought his point on Medicaid part D was
very damning for Hatch who defended it by saying it came in under the estimated
cost. Liljenquist then logically explained that whether it cost 16 trillion
instead of 23 trillion does not matter when it was unfunded to begin with. So Hatch pushes a balanced budget amendment, which he wears as a badge of
honor, but in practice makes no effort to balance the budget but instead helps
add 16 trillion dollars in liabilities by voting for unfunded programs. Sounds
like a Washington politician furthering his political career instead of doing
what is right for Utah and this Nation. Who here really wants to take the
chance that after 36 years he will all of a sudden change his tune? And by
the way, a Senator even more conservative than Hatch is in line for the Finance
Committee Chair if Hatch loses. His point on that topic is moot.
Why is it that being friends with a democrat, even one as liberal as Ted
Kennedy, makes you an enemy to conservative values? I don't get it. It is
this stupid polarization of left vs. right ideals that is causing more harm than
good in our country. I was at a townhall meeting last week for
Liljenquist and he was waffling on his answers as much as the next guy. He was
trying to feel our group out and answer accordingly. I didn't like it. That being said, I think Orrin has done a very good job over the years
for Utah. Do I agree with every vote he has cast? No. But at least he has the
statesman ability to reach across the aisle and try to get something done. This
new breed of hard right conservatism mixed with the hard left liberalism is
getting NOTHING done and damaging our country. I am a state delegate
and I am voting for Hatch. The possible finance committee post isn't the
reason. But, since term limits are a pipedream I strongly feel that Utah
can't afford two junior senators to be in office at the same time.
Senator, do you recall what you said in a debate with Senator Moss when you
first ran? What goes around comes around, and usually it is traveling much
faster than when it left.
Since Hatch wants to be head of finance committee, would he resign his seat if
he doesn’t get that post? He is more of a decorative stamp
from Utah than a senator. In the past 4 years has he done one thing
positive for Utah?He plans to do something good, but living outside
of the present has been his downfall.Now he says Mitt wants him
there and together they will ….what? According to Paul
Volcker Mitt’s tax plan will increase the deficit by 2 trillion over the
next 10 years so either Orrin or Mitt will be unhappy as the balanced budget
will be even more out of reach.Seems to me Senator Hatch is looking for
At the debate, Liljenquist showed that he has the experience, the right
principles, and the drive to be a great senator. And Herrod showed a lot of
class when he spoke up to defend Liljenquist against Hatch's frivolous
charge of "missing votes."Hatch did a lot of good many years
ago, but in more recent terms he has become part of the problem in many ways,
and has voted to increase the size and cost of government. Some of his
responses last night seemed rather petty and defensive. The fact that he was
conservative and did a good job a long time ago is NOT a good reason to continue
to prop him up when we have much better alternatives, especially not with the
national crisis we are facing.
Here’s to the good the Good Senator, who has proposed the “Balanced
Budget Amendment” 17 times, and voted gosh how many time to INCREASE the
U.S. Deficit over his 36 years in the Senate.And this from a
Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee wanna-be? [Just a quick reminder
– the GOP has to win majority of the Senate, which is not to likely to
happen.] But, Red is the color of the GOP, And voting for
another Red Herring promise by Orrin Hatch is the game he’s played for 36
I have not voted for Orrin Hatch for the last 3 elections. I want to see term
limitations in place for all elected officials. However, if he can make a
difference in this election coming up in working with a majority in both houses,
let's vote him in for ONE more term. Maybe he will finally listen and see
if we can't put into law that limits how long a politician can serve. We
have a limit on the President, why not all elected officials?
The fact that Hatch has to hang his hat on seniority to campaign on is an
indictment of the system. you get the powerful seats by staying there the
longest. I think that we need a term limit ammendment in congress, just like we
do in the presidency.
What was it that Hatch said to Frank Moss, when Moss had been in the Senate for
18 years? Something about being there too long, out of touch, we need need
blood. If seniority is important now, if clout is important now, it was
important then, but apparently Hatch does not think so. Hatch is a politician,
not a statesman and he will be replaced by another politician, either this year
Hatch’s seniority does not do ANY good if he doesn’t vote the right
way. After all, his good pal Ted Kennedy had TONS of seniority, but we knew we
could count on him to vote incorrectly.
Re: I M LDS 2 Provo, UTBetter get used to the fact that Hatch will
win the GOP nomination to run for his senate seat this November, and that he
will win against his Democratic opponent by a landslide.
i was very disappointed at the performance or lack of it at the debate by our 36
year incumbent US Senator. He has been missing votes right a left this year,
some estimate a third of them, and goes after Dan Liljenquist for missing a few
votes?In his first term, Dan Liljenquist did more to get Unanimous
support from both houses and both parties for 7 of nine bills last year, than
Sen. Hatch has been doing with his seniority. We don't have that in
Washington and we need it. Non-partisan solutions. Sen. Hatch ran 36
years ago, saying we don't need seniority. We had a new senator in 1974 and
Sen. Hatch replaced our 18 year senior senator in 1976. Now he says he is the
only one besides Mitt to save this county? Without Sen. Hatch that HAFB will
close? So we just figure that will happen in 6 years, because Sen. Hatch is the
only one? Senator Hatch lost his temper, didn't stay in the
time allotted or follow the rules.
Utah's version of Strom Thurmond? I find it incredulous that another term
will be any different than the prior six terms. Nothing is going to change. If
you like Orrin, then vote for him. If you want change, then vote for change and
don't complain about Washington. Orrin IS Washington, whether he is in the
minority or in the majority.
Why are they debating, are they nut cases? they need to follow the big corporate
Mr. Hatch has been in DC so long now that even he doesn't realize he is no
longer connected with Utah and her interests. The same thing that happens to all
professional politicians has happened to Senator Hatch. He is a Washington
crony, not a statesman. A doggone" change in leadership is mandatory.
The finance committee is Hatch's horse to ride in this race. But he is
flogging it to death, and exaggerating the importance of the position. On the
other hand, it is fair that Hatch should be at least partly blamed for the
situation the nation finds itself in. Hatch insists he will be "an agent of
change". What? 36 years wasn't enough time to be the agent of change,
Mr. Hatch?I don't buy it. Hatch is too immersed and connected
in Washington. He has made a mint in Washington, and it is high time he retired.
I remember the many times over the years that Orin Hatch has been a leading
conservative voice. He has many accomplishments. Now, after years of battling
tooth and nail against the liberal agenda all is forgotten. o me, to throw him
out is needs to be a reasonable and well thought as to who would rep;ace him and
not a knee jerk reaction. This is his last term. Change now, just for the sake
of change is not what we need. Whoever we pick will needs to be a good choice.
One that will be able to have the ability to effectivley bring about change.
Right now, Orin Hattch is the man that can most effectively bring about the
change we need.