@Furry1993 "To convict someone, that PROOF is needed. Yes, Josh behaved
strangely but that is proof of nothing aside from the fact that he behaved
strangely. Based on the evidence available to the public at this time, there is
nothing to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that (1) Susan Powell is dead and, if
she is, (2) how that death occured or (3) who killed her."With
that sort of reasoning then you cannot positivly say that Josh killed his two
sons and then set the house on fire, because nobody was watching the back door
to the house where theoretically someone could have run out without having been
seen after he axed the boys and knocked Josh unconscious before lighting the
gasoline fire that eventually took all their lives.
I am stunned that two individuals, namely Josh and Stephen Powell could embrace
so much evil. "Like father, like son" appears to be true in this
instance. My heartfelt sympathies go out to close family members and friends of
Susan's family who are sympathetic to Susan's case.
eastcoastcoug, I agree that nothing about a body, in and of itself, would show
who killed him/her. It would, however, prove that s/he is in fact dead. To
date there is no evidence showing beyond reasonable doubt that Susan Powell is
dead. People can speculate all they want, and be "certain" in their
minds and hearts that she is dead, but there is no real PROOF that she is dead.
To convict someone, that PROOF is needed. Yes, Josh behaved strangely but that
is proof of nothing aside from the fact that he behaved strangely. Based on the
evidence available to the public at this time, there is nothing to prove beyond
a reasonable doubt that (1) Susan Powell is dead and, if she is, (2) how that
death occured or (3) who killed her.Everything screams guilt, but
that is not enough. "Everything screaming guilt" is not enough to prove
beyond a reasonable doubt what happened, which level of proof is necessary to
convict.I'm just glad that Heavenly Father has a more reliable
method of proving one's worth.
The distance one way from SLC, UT to Puyallup, WA is a little over 800 miles.
What's the big mystery here? It's doesn't take brain
science, rocket surgery, or even long division to see that Josh called Steven
Powell and told the old man that he'd murdered Susan and needed help
getting rid of the body. Steven Powell takes two days off work and
meets Josh halfway between SLC, UT and Puyallup, WA where the dead wife was
handed over to Steven Powell, who took her body and hid it in a place where
she'll most likely never be found. So has anyone investigated
Steven Powell's cell phone records during that time to see where his calls
were originating from?
Apart from all the reasons why or why not in regard to the terrible murders, I
feel that those sweet little boys would still be alive IF their supervised
visitations with their father had been held in open, neutral territory, not
Josh's home - there certainly was enough evidence to confirm that such an
unhealthy, unstable environment was not safe for those little kids.
I think it would make a good research study, to investigate the beginnings of
this vile family tradition. Who did Steven Powell learn it from? Just food for
I used to work in the mountains away from town a great deal. To keep myself
busy in the evenings, I would read non-fiction books that I would buy at the
last store before hitting the back roads. Usually the book I ended up reading
was a murder book, often one written by Anne Rule. Over the years I ended up
reading countless books about various murders, and one thing I noticed was how
often the police had proved to be incompetent. It's understandable much of
the time because some of these murders were committed in small towns where the
police force had never investigated a murder or very rarely did so. But WVC has
had many murders, and I would expect the detectives there to be more competent.
Still, I wonder if they called all the service stations within 400 miles of WVC
to have them check their security videos for Josh's and Steve's
vehicles. Or whether they tracked down Steve's credit card purchases to
see if he met up with Josh somewhere in Nevada. Why did it take so long for WVC
to seize the computers? Anyway, I wonder.
I think it's time to do a psychosexual evaluation on this suspect.
As more information comes to light, it just shows how inept the entire law
enforcement and DA's offices were during this ordeal. It's time for
some people to find employment elsewhere.
When I see the refusal to face reality by some of these posters it becomes more
and more clear to me why there are some people who are still willing to vote for
Barak Obama.It is obvious to ANYONE with eyes to see that Josh
Powell killed his wife. Steven Powell's own daughter says she is
"certain" he knows what happened and that she wouldn't be surprised
if he actually planned to whole thing. She knows both of them and what they
are/were capable of. We KNOW Josh was capable for murder because he murdered
his two boys. Every action Josh and Steven have taken screams
guilt. Will you people pull your heads out and face reality?
Why is the news media more excited about this than the WV Police Department??
Where was all this information 2 years ago? Why was Josh allowed to go free?
Nothing about finding a body would establish who did it. Josh acted strangely
and hid from the police from the beginning. Taking the SIM cards was enough to
at least charge him with tampering with evidence. In the end he murdered his
boys to keep them quiet and take revenge on the Cox family. What more do we
Evil.Just evil.The apple did not fall far from the tree
in this case.An innocent woman and two kids, murdered, but we may
never be able to prove it and obtain a conviction. Sometimes evil wins. At
least here on earth.
@ChaseIn addition to your list, you missed that fact that not only
did Josh Powell take the SIM card out of his phone, the SIM card was missing
from his wife's phone, as well as hints from statements of the two boys,
whose lives also ended at the hands of their father. The DA didn't want to
take the chance of arresting Powell and losing the case. Only 12 jurors stood
between the evidence and a conviction, and chances were VERY good that will all
the circumstantial evidence, in spite of no body, a jury could find beyond a
reasonable doubt that Josh Powell was guilty. Many men and women sit in prison
today who have been convicted on weaker evidence that the police have in this
case. The police force and DA's office need to take a course on self
confidence and appropriates assertiveness.
Calling in sick seems to be irrelevant. His daughter in law is missing. That
would be enough for me to call in sick for a month if I received that type of
news. Not saying he's innocent, just that the time off doesn't mean
@ Jack-PDo you have pictures of your son's wife in her
underwear? If your car was turned over to authorities would you need to
drive 800 miles in 48 hours.Would you have any usual business in
Tremontton?Would you need to remove the SIM card before turning your phone
over?Would your wife's blood be on the tile floor?Would the
carpet be wet?Would you have your wife's cell phone and be unable to
explain why you did?Would you take your kids camping in a blizzard?The answer is no. The more peculiar the circumstances, the likelihood
that reasonable suspicion would be validated. This is why Josh was a person of
interest. That's a nice way of saying, "We're on to you but we
can't produce a body".While I appreciate you objective and
nonjudgmental disposition, the above listed circumstances constitute suspicious
behavior and circumstances and are subject to scrutiny and investigation.
What is disturbing is that this is considered relevant at all to Susan Powells
disappearance. People call in "sick" all the time, and it is usually on
a Monday, especially if one gets troubling news that a relative is missing.
Before any such data points can be meaningfully tied together to make them into
a "clue", there has to be some credible MOTIVE established for either or
both Josh Powell and Steven Powell.What is the motive?Can't be life insurance, because death would have to be established for
Josh to collect on life insurance proceeds. Susan's disappearance would not
work for that.Domestic violence? Could be, but how does that give
any kind of motive to Steven, and why would he or Josh pre-meditate killing
Susan when Josh could have just divorced her?What other motives have
the WVC Police come up with? If they have not thought about motive, then they
are completely incompetent. That is crime investigation 101.
I haven't heard any information whether the rental car was searched for
forensic evidence for hair fibers, blood, DNA, etc. of Susan Powell. 800 miles
in a couple of days is alot of miles to put on a vehicle. My guess is he told
the police where he was camping that night and that may have been the spot where
he originally disposed of Susan's body and then he returned to the place
with the rental car where the body was and disposed of it elsewhere so it would
be never found again or itleast very difficult to ever come across again. All I know from this entire debacle of an investigation is that if you
want to get away with murder even if your are not very smart like Powell was
with the amount of evidence and guilt he left behind then just go reside in West
Valley City, UT.
Millions of people called off at that time. There could have even been others
who did who knew this family. It is absolutely worth a detective's time to
look into such a fact, but for the rest of us its circumstantial and not worth
talking about.Furthermore, publishing this certainly doesn't do
well for this mans safety when half the country already hates him enough as it
is. If he's innocent here and something happened to him, I would want to
hold the media partially accountable for any wrong doing. Why? Because
'innocent until proven guilty' is a just process. When you start
publishing unnecessary information that will knowingly be interpreted wrongfully
by the masses, then while it isn't libel- it's as close as the D.N.
could possibly step in that direction.I don't have any reason
to like this guy, but I'm not so sure that publishing this is the right
thing to do either. I'm not accusing anyone, but questioning the
responsibility of publishing this. Am I wrong? How? Cause so far this sure seems
more problematic than not.
I know we all want something to hang our hats on, and there may be something
there, but if my son's wife went missing I'd probably take a couple of
days (or more) off work also. Unless someone knows what he did during those two
days then that's as far as you can go with this "clue".If I turned my car over to the police I would probably need to rent one. If I
gave them my cell phone I'd probably activate another one.
Mr Powell can hide from the Police all he wants. One day he and his son will
not be able to hide any misdeeds. They will face the Supreme Judge, and will
face any consequencesensuing from any misdeeds. What a sad outcome that could be
for them. Having grandchildren myself, I would not be able to live with their
loss if I had been capable of taking steps to avoid any possibility of any harm
coming to them. The Cox Family will, in contrast, have the joy of
a reunion with their daughter and grandsons, and can have that family
relationship forever. I realise that the evidence thus far is only
circumstantial, but it seems to be growing with every piece of evidence that is
revealed. Bloodstains, a washed couch, the phone calls, the mileage on the car,
the emptying of the bank account, the testimony of the little son that his
mother "went on their camping trip," but didn't come home, sick
leave, etc, etc. It certainly looks as though the Powell's are not squeaky
clean to say the least.
How appropriate that Mr. Powell took "sick" leave to help his son in
this incredibly sick endeavor.
I believe authorities would be wise to offer a deal to Steven Powell if he will
talk. They've kind of got him over a barrel and if they offer him a better
deal for his own case, he might be willing to tell them something. Of course, if he did plan the whole thing and take an active role in her
murder, he might never talk.This is all so horrible.