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Published: Monday, April 2 2012 4:45 p.m. MDT

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Whatever it is, a moment or movement or whatever, I don't want a part of it, and I'd like my public institutions to be free of it as well.

LindonMan
Lindon, UT

@ Hutterite

Well, you wanted enough to do with it that you read and posted a comment:) Here's to many more wonderful and successful LDS General Conferences!

I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

Is it just me, or does the new Conference Center ceiling lok like a "mother ship" hovering above the congregation? Who designed that?

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

I always think it is so sad that those who claim to want nothing to do with the Church spend all their time reading articles and commenting about it constantly. Wow, it looks like they can't quite leave it alone. Maybe they are having doubts about their doubts.

You don't have to be this unhappy you know. You can repent and come back. It will be worth it. I promise.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

@ I M LDS 2- How do you know what a "mothership" would look like? It looks like a ceiling of a building to me. Unless of course your trying to make something of nothing.

I think the Conference Center is wonderful, and I think it is too small to handle the numbers that would like to attend. I imagine a few years down the road, they'll need to build a different type of facility to allow a greater number of people to attend or start rotating locations where Conference is held. Which would be an incredible logistical move, with the interpretars and the electronics required to pull off a world wide broadcast.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

Cats - Do you really think it is the right thing to do to tell somebody to repent and comeback and that they aren't happy?? You don't know this person, so how can you say that? And with that reasoning then %99.9 of the earth is unhappy because they aren't mormon?? Yeah maybe you should come back to reality.

Freedom for all
SLC, UT

What this story fails to mention is that LDS members are leaving in droves. Furthermore, sociologists estimate that about 1 in 3 LDS members are active in church. Of the 14.5 million members that the church claims, only about 5 million are active and church activity is declining. Yes the church is gaining membership but only 1 in 3 people are sticking around. What do these people leaving the church know that active LDS members don't? What is it driving people out of the church in 'droves'? That doesn't sound much like a 'mormon moment' to me. I'm just sayin'. Knowledge is power

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

@ Brahmabull,

I already tried telling Cats that but got denied as usual here on the DNews boards. They're not having doubts about their doubts. They're simply acting as missionaries pushing their truth so please be more understanding. It's not all black and white, member or non-member, good and evil. There are shades of grey if you open up your eyes.

Freedom for all
SLC, UT

What this article fails to mention is that LDS members are leaving in droves. If you google 'LDS members leaving in droves' you'll find articles with Marlin K. Jensen acknowledging that church officials are aware that members are leaving in droves. The LDS church claims 14.5 million members, however sociologists estimate that approximately 5 million members are active and more and more people are becoming inactive and leaving the church every day. In other words, 1 in 3 people are active in church. Thats 33% retention. That doesn't sound like a 'mormon moment' to me.

So what is it exactly that is driving people away in droves? What is it that these people know or have learned that is driving them to leave the church? I know many people who were very devout, served missions, raised kids, then BAM they leave... in droves. So what is it that these people are discovering that's driving them out? I don't think it is much of a mormon moment, but more like a black eye. I'm just sayin'. Knowledge is power

CTguy30
Colchester, CT

LValfre -
You're right there are many shades of grey in this world...very complicated, indeed. No wonder we have so many people scrambling to figure it all out, and ultimately settle for somewhere in the realms of being a "good, but not religious person". I know I've stood in line at Cold Stone trying to pick which mix-ins to pick out of all the choices. To us LDS, seeing things in just black and white simplifies life, if there are only black and white...we simply make the choice easier. Novel idea. Whether we are right or wrong to the rest of the world, or if we simply choose to ignore the "shades of grey" - which the color grey does indicate it contains, depending on your shade of grey, a hint of black/darkness -
we are happy to share that with others. I have "opened my eyes", as you call it, and I didn't like what I felt, so I "opened my heart" and truly saw some "wonder"ful things in my life.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

@CTguy30,

I commend your honesty. Ignorance is bliss and it's a lot simpler to follow orders than lead. And I don't mean that in a negative way at all. It's an easier life to just pick your leader and do what you're told without thinking too much about it.

Appreciate your honesty.

As an aspiring entrepreneur I take that same thought to the workforce. I'd like to start businesses that give a portion to charity and have a positive impact on this world. It's a lot easier to work for someone your entire life until retirement than create and lead a new organization that employs others. But ... I don't want to live a mediocre life.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

I would like to see 14 million LDS people purchase t-shirts that say:

I Am A Mormon
(And a Christian)

And we all hit the malls and big box stores at the same time on the same day.

"I am Mormon, hear me roar, in numbers too big to ignore..."

Whos Life RU Living?
Ogden, UT

"You don't have to be this unhappy you know. You can repent and come back. It will be worth it. I promise."

This type of arrogance is what destroys the church as discussed in the BoM.

CTguy30
Colchester, CT

@ LValfre: And I appreciate your honesty as well.
"aspiring entrepreneur" "mediocre life"
One can assume, aspiring means you have not yet achieved entrepreneurship? Ah...my boss was an entrepeneur too. Very life loving guy. VERY ADHD! I had to leave him a note to remind him of things because his brain was "aspiring" all the time!
I'm assuming you meant I have a mediocre life, right? Who's to say? Is that mediocre to your standards or mine? I'm sorry you assume that I simply "follow a leader", but I also have to BE a leader. From since I was 12 years old, I have had various "leadership" responsibilities, leading other young men, to leading a group of men, and in my business I get to chose my the path that will be service my clients, I consider myself very innovative, creative, and I never want to stop learning and teaching. My friend, I would say that driving a mazda instead of a BMW is not mediocre to me.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

I am always intrigued by the Mormons who want to "be an example" and "share the truth" with others.

Apparently it never occurs to such people that others are the better example of humanity, and others have far more "light and joy" than are found in your religion.

watcher@75
SMITHFIELD, UT

The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints is a light to the whole world. Many will come to it with a curiosity. Many will be drawn to it because it goes contrary to worldly ways. Others will embrace it as the kingdom of God on earth. This day and ever more the LDS will remain forefront in discussion. The knowledge of its doctrines will sweep the earth preparing all for second coming of our Lord and Savior.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

@CTGuy30,

I think you interpreted me wrong and now that I'm rereading my comment it does infer I'm saying your life is mediocre which is far from the truth. Please disregard the miscommunication. I am an aspiring (working on) entrepreneur and I sometimes question if I have ADHD so interesting comment about your boss! Although I'd like a luxury car I decided on frugality as the only way to reach long-term goals including in business. I think we're on the same page and I apologize for my comment.

@watcher@75,

"This day and ever more the LDS will remain forefront in discussion. The knowledge of its doctrines will sweep the earth preparing all for second coming of our Lord and Savior."

- I really don't think it's going to be looked upon positively when newcomers Google it to learn more ... just my opinion. Outside of that though your comment is really what drives me away from religion ... you have all the answers but yet don't when it comes to questionable doctrines and practices.

Moontan
Roanoke, VA

@LValfre ... if you are going to be an enlightened business leader, showing the way to the ignorant masses who reject thought in preference to following, you're going to have to spend a lot of time doing things other than cruising religious message boards to tell everyone how misguided they are.

@Cats ... insightful comment.

@Bramabull re "Cats - Do you really think it is the right thing to do to tell somebody to repent and comeback and that they aren't happy??" Do you think it is right for an anti/atheist to visit here and insult, degrade and criticize? Why is the latter okay, but the former is unacceptable? A little one-sided, isn't it?

As far as identifying unhappy people goes, it isn't difficult. Critics who insult believers on this site remind me of the man who hated football, and never missed a game. How happy is that?

cindyb
CASPER, WY

Freedom For All, When we consider people leaving in droves, you make it sound like all people who are leaving are driven out by some terrible doctrine that they didn't realize when they joined. My observations of people who have left, including family members, has to do with the desire to live outside obedience to the commandments like so much of the world. Living the law of chastity, word of wisdom, and tithing are just a few things that become issues of obedience. When people chose not to abide those laws, they are no longer comfortable being active in the church. Certainly all who have been leaving in droves as you say, are not enjoying a newfound life of happiness and fullfillment. They are on a spiritual journey as we all are, and may again embrace the restored gospel as they experience life without it for some time.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE; The Rock, I would like to see 14 million LDS people purchase t-shirts that say: I Am A Mormon(And a Christian), And we all hit the malls and big box stores at the same time on the same day.

You remind of what Paul said, There will be terrible times in the last days(Latter Day[Mormons])…. Verse 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.(2 Tim 3: 1,5)
The “Pale” of Christianity Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox is united in the belief of the Tri-une God.

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