"The last thing they were going to do is make a premature arrest and let
someone slip through the fingers of justice." This statement at the end of
the article is troubling. At what price did they do that? The loss of three
lives seems very high. And someone did slip through the fingers of justice. I
think more went into cover their backside than protecting those they were sworn
to do so.This does not inspire confidence. Alert, they did not
appear to be.alert
The parties involved should all resign in disgrace or be fired. People should
sign petitions asking them to resign.. Talk about massive FAILURE. Josh was a
MONSTER. And a judge let him have those innocent boys.
The least they could do would to share information with the Washington State
police. Why can't government or agencies use common sense.
If there were a TV reality show entitled, "America's Dumbest Police
Departments", West Valley PD would be featured.There may be
people in that department who feel really bad about what happened in this case.
That's not enough. Certain people ought to step down or lose their jobs.
I agree,"It is easy for those of us who watch TV to say,
'Hey, there is plenty of evidence... It is a different matter if you are in
the legal community to have enough evidence to go in for an arrest."1- We really don't know what was going through detectives and the
DA's minds. The public may see a single item of evidence and shout
"Murderer!!" but in reality a prosecutor may look at another peice of
evidence that would hurt their case tremendously- a piece that any decent
defense attorney could easily win a case with.2- People may think
that 'prosecuting a case you can't win would have protected the
children' but this isn't true.-We don't know if it would
have stopped this had they proceeded.-We certainly wouldn't have
wanted a half-cocked prosecutor to try, lose, and then return custody to Josh
Powell in the end anyway.3- I agree that not being 'in the
loop' makes it easy to judge. We can stipulate, question, and so on- but
not really judge past decisions unless we were party to them.
And if her body was found two weeks after his aquittal, with evidence that made
it clear that he did it, we would be screaming for someone's job again. It
is the height of absurdity for anyone in Washington to state that WVC is
responsible for the deaths of the boys. The boys would be alive today if their
father wasn't a self serving, evil man. He bears primary responsibility.
Everything else is fingerpointing. However, I can make a much more compelling
case against the State of Washington dropping the ball than they can against
WVC. They had all the information that WVC had. In addition, they had the
ability to act based on their opinion of those facts.
I would imagine if they charged Josh Powell and allow the evidence presented
come to light that a custody judge would have been influenced to limit his
access to his children.... Did those judges hear about this evidence(blood,
ect)? Even if 'circumstanial' it seems like more than enough to think
it's probably not good to have these kids hanging out with dad
Methinks Mayor Winder is trying to put a smiley face on this issue.At
least he's using his real name.
Mike Winder has no credibility whatsoever.
"It is a different matter if you are in the legal community to have enough
evidence to go in for an arrest."I'm guessing this was more
the political community than the legal community that impacted whether or not
Josh was charged.
Juries make their decisions based on evidence presented and if a skilled defense
team were able to explain away circumstantial evidence the jury would be
expected to find in Mr. Powell's favor. Then all the armchair generals
would have really been upset.Many of those that are now upset with
WVC originally wanted the boys returned to their father's custody. How
soon they forget.
I question some of the Mayor's other decisions and this is a continuation.
It may be second guessing over two years out but the other parts that have
surfaced since then just ratify that these things should have been looked at at
the time. Josh Powell hoodwinked the police, etc. with his deliberately planned
process. He was very manipulating and he made his sister his enemy to the
public, when she was the one to believe. Forensics and just good detective
processes would have quelled some of the questions that have been highlighted
over past 2 years and 4 months since that night. His children paid the price of
the indecisiveness and attempts to show they were trying to do after the fact
investigations. The judge to seal off the files for all that time is also a
factor. In Utah and other states, children are to be protgected at all costs
and these childred died due to the ones that should have protected them
Perhaps if these 'keystone cops' had put Josh under surveillance he
might have lead them tothe body when he put 200 miles plus on that rental
car. His alibi was so weak, and the sharing of this information with
Washington might have saved the lives of those precious boys. Somebody
One can't blame the death of the 2 boys on the WVC police. However, it is a very legitimate question to ask why they didn't act more
on the information they had. Posters are wrong when they state that WA and UT
police had the same information. Read the story better about what was not
shared. WVC police were helping the good 'ole boy in the case. They seem
to have felt more sympathy for the male hunter who smiled pretty for the camera.
Time to get police and politicians that can think.
Investigators are paid to connect the dots, in this case the dots were not
connected, after 2 long years--- the fact they waited for the "perfect
evidence" cost 2 innocence lives...unacceptable! In any profession if you
have the best information available to do your job and you fail to do what your
were paid to do...guess what? you're fired! end of story. These guys need
to find another profession that they may be good at because clearly they
ain't good at this...
I'm sorry, but I don't see how anybody can possibly defend the WVC
police department. It is a disgrace what they have done and everyone involved in
the case that knew the wealth of evidence available should be forced to step
down. This isn't second guessing. The whole country basically knew Josh had
something to do with his wife's disappearance before we even knew about all
this evidence. Now it is only so obvious that it is sickening. You have other
police departments and prosecuters saying that they would have easily arrested
him based on the evidence. I think that says alot. The only thing that WVC
didn't have was a body, but otherwise there was plenty of evidence to
convict him, the most obvious being the inconsistencies in his story. Surely
Josh is to blame for the death of those two boys, but those involved in this
case had the ability to take those boys out of harm's way and they
didn't act. There is indirect blame there. Those who knew the evidence
should have done more and there is no excuse whatsoever. Some heads need to roll
I find it remarkable that the Deseret News (or anyone for that matter) considers
it important how Mayor Winder opines regarding the performance of any department
within his jurisdiction. When someone proves himself not trustworthy
in high office, and the rest of us behave as if nothing happened, don't be
surprised by any subsequent increase in political corruption. It's
disturbing how much time and attention the Deseret News devotes to Mayor Winder.
The only thing saving him right now is his family name. It shouldn't.
Now, if Richard Burwash had said it, I think I would believe the Mayor.
I don't know if there was consultation with the prosecuting attorney
regarding the merits of an arrest. If so, perhaps the PA has too high of
expectations on his ability to win a case with overwhelming circumstantial
evidence. If there was no consultation, new leadership in the police department
may be needed to ensure better communication with the PA. When you list the
evidence they had...and they WERE the "quarterbacks" in the game...there
was VERY strong evidence against Josh Powell...a wet, freshly cleaned couch, a
shovel, and the victims cell phone with a missing SIM card alone are strong
evidence. You don't need a body to convict someone for murder. It seems
that without one, though, this police department refused to see any other
evidence as relevant or admissable.
Pierce county and WA state looked really bad after Josh murdered Charlie and
Braden. They are now trying to shift the focus to WVPD so people will stop
talking about how WA should have done more. This is all politics.
Simple as that. If only everyone would admit 2 things. 1) 20/20 hindsight is a
beautiful and completely useless thing and 2) noone can be blamed for this
tragedy but Josh, the homocidal and filicidal scum.The case the WVPD
had was completely circumstantial, a good defense attorney would have gotten him
off, particularly without a body. Time was on the side of the police (or so it
seemed). To point fingers now is nice, and helps fills the anger some people
feel, but it doesn't mean that WVPD did their part wrong.
This is a hard pill to swallow. Josh is a coward for taking the boys with him.
Yes, I think he did it but I have to come from a standpoint of someone being on
a jury. True, we do not have a lot of facts still but there is no smoking gun in
this case that I would use to convict Josh. Josh was quick and was very
intelligent keeping one pace ahead of detectives. Blood being on the tile could
mean endless possibilities. Fans on the couch just the same. Animated pedophilic
images are both gross and unimaginable but as of yet not illegal, apparently.
Taking a sim card out of her phone, lying about her phone in the van and his
charger in the car while stating that he could not use his phone is simply
lying, still. Making statements about burying a person in the west desert, bad
judgement, but still not able to use them, fully, unless they have a body or
other highly incriminating evidence. Unfortunately, it all adds up to more
question marks. With the evidence presented so far, I would have to vote for
acquittal. I will pray for the family.