Comments about ‘In Utah, religion is truly an all-or-nothing proposition’

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Published: Wednesday, March 28 2012 8:51 a.m. MDT

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Mountanman
Hayden, ID

This is really going to irritate liberals!

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@mounta(i)nman
why? there is nothing shocking about this. the only thing even remotely shocking is that slightly more people did not claim to be very religious.

bikeboy
Boise, ID

Dear Utah:

Don't get cocky about how religious you are!
(-;

But seriously, the religion I share in common with so many Utahns has blessed my life. It's one of the few things I feel I can totally depend on in these crazy times.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

My favorite part of this is that whoever made the Gallup Report stated that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was "the most religious group in America today."

I don't know that studies trying to prove 'who is more religious' won't come off as boasting to some- but if it shows to anyone that we are genuine believers to some extent, then I would argue that some good does come out of these studies. There are some religious trying to only make money, some who don't even know what they believe, and so on. I'm not saying the LDS Church is exclusively the only one made up of a decent set of people. But that genuine certainly would describe the LDS Church. One can find good people in many faiths without doubt. But if looking at the LDS Church, anyone will find a true 'devoutness' among the general membership that certainly would do more to help someone understand the LDS Church, rather than misunderstand as the general masses often do.

Lundyman
heber, UT

The reason for this is the culture and teachings of the LDS church. After 29 years of church membership, I can well verify that church practices STRONGLY discourage being "semi-religious." It's either total dedication or you aren't living up to the expectations of the Lord. I think this is good, in that it strengthens the Church, but the downside is feelings of personal disappointment suffered by individuals and the weight of persistent social pressure.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

To Mountanman: I don't think you know many liberals. I personally don't know a single liberal who objects to anyone else being religious. I even know many religious liberals.

yankees27
Heber, Utah

I don't know about anyone else, but in my little part of the world, if you aren't going to church every Sunday you aren't considered "Religious" at all. I'm a part timer, actually I would make a better Catholic since I only attend a couple times a year, like Easter and Christmas, but most in the ward consider me a non-member because I'm not there every week. I actually asked for a calling, I told the Bishop I would love to be the Homeland Security Director for our ward, he said he had not heard of that calling. I told him I would love to stay home on Sundays and watch out for the members houses while they are away. He didn't accept. Oh well, at least I'm trying. I've never understood why some think that attendance every Sunday makes you a better person than those that make their own choice whether to attend or not. I'm constantly hearing friends or family state they don't like church, when I ask why they go, they say because they "have to" That is pretty sad that anyone feels that way.

Emily
Salt Lake City, UT

Those are interesting points, yankees27. I grew up attending the LDS church, and although I am no longer a member I have many relatives and friends who are LDS. I very occasionally attend meetings for missionary homecomings or baby blessings, and when you look around a good chunk of the audience is usually asleep or doing other things like playing a game with a child or fiddling with a phone. I've heard plenty of jokes about people falling asleep on the stand or sitting in such a way to try to hide sleeping. If it doesn't interest you and you're not truly participating in the meeting, why bother?

BYU Track Star
Los Angeles, CA

@Lundyman, I agree with your thesis. At least in Southern California. There is continuing pressure to be not be a nominal saint but rather a devout member. That is to be a full tithe payer and go to the Temple several times a week, even if one has to take vacation days to do so. My current bishop had me even attend a Temple preparation class. The class instructor, a former bishop, talked about the blessings one recieves from Temple Worship but wouldn't say what they were. Towards the end of the class it was "this is what the Lord requires of you".

Another interesting issue are the classes on Provident living, where on the handouts, the budget sheets say we are supposed to pay our tithing first thing. I had the temerity to ask if we should not pay our temporal bills if we are short. The quorem president was not pleased with my question. When some of us are supporting two households it becomes an important issue. and it is embarassing to have to explain oneself in front of the quorem.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mountanman
Hayden, ID
This is really going to irritate liberals!
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How is that?
I’m Liberal, and Very Religious.

But in all Honesty, you really should make a fair comparison –
Most of the Muslim World is “Very Religious”, and also happens to be the least Free.

Is that the kind of America you want?
Utah-liban? or Hayden [Aryan Nation], Idaho?

BTW - The Lord says there should be Moderation is all things –
This article clearly points out that once again, Utah is Extremist... and the Brethren keep warning against ALL facets of Extremism.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

I see a lot of these type of studies, and a lot of it is based on what criteria you choose to measure. For example, what constitutes an "active member" of the LDS Church? Is attending Church at Christmas and Easter enough? How about one meeting a month, is that enough? Do you need to have a Church job and a Temple Recommend? The totals will shift dramatically depending on what you choose to measure.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Its just that all the liberals I know are atheists and seem to have the need to attack religious people as being naive or duped. I work with liberals who believe in Charles Darwin and Al Gore, not Jesus!

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I wonder how the Gallup people quantified "Religiosity" or what they think constitutes being "religious"?

I don't think being religious means the same thing to all people. To some it just means having something you believe in, or going to church. That's not my definition.

I don't think anybody should take great pride in their religiosity. Pride is antithesis of what Christ taught. Like the Ace-of-base "Ravine" song teaches... "Have you heard what she learned? Like humility - you only win when you lose".

So if we're going to get in a boasting match about who's more religious... remember, you only win that contest if you lose.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

"Mountanman
Hayden, ID
Its just that all the liberals I know are atheists and seem to have the need to attack religious people as being naive or duped. I work with liberals who believe in Charles Darwin and Al Gore, not Jesus!"

Thanks for pointing that out Mountanman I commend you for it. Most people on here throw vast generalizations about liberals, left wingers, right wingers, atheists, etc. It's nice to see you say that the liberals "YOU KNOW" are like this as opposed to claiming they all are. I'm sick of being called a left winging, liberal atheist. I'm a liberal, and probably atheist at this point, but very conservative. VERY conservative. I'm also not a democrat (WOW!). So the stereotypes and generalizations don't hold water.

Nice word choice .... LOVE IT!

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

This makes a lot of sense to me. In Utah there's a high percentage that are religious. The non-religious are many times made up of ex-Mormons. Ex-Mormons tend to really give up on religion once they realize their church is (in their opinion) false .... after giving that high a level of time, money, and commitment to an organization it's hard to fathom doing it with any other religion again. For some I think it puts bitterness in them towards religion for the rest of their lives.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@mounta(i)nman

funny I don't see any attacks, maybe some baiting on your part but no attacks. I am curious just now many "liberals" hang around Hayden, ID though.

Navajo Hogan
Salt Lake City, UT

Well, when you come to find out the religion you gave your all too is false, you tend give up any religion entirely.

That is the way it was with myself, and all the other exMormons I know. Hence the all-or-nothing proposition we have in Utah.

Melanna
Salt Lake City, Utah

How interesting that on an article about how religious people are the first comment is so judgmental and divisive.

Is this a showing of that supposed religiousness? If it is, I am surprised that so many people would claim a relationship to it.

Jack D. Campbell
CONCORD, CA

I Like the word spiritual more than religious!

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Over my lifelong membership in the Church I've seen an ever increasing rigidity creeping in. In some ways it resembles the Pharisees focus on the "rules" rather than the gospel. One superficial example is the ubiquitous white shirts worn by the majority of men on Sundays. Another example is the idea that Coca-Cola goes against the Word of Wisdom. The extreme correlation is another example. It is a farce that the Church is politically neutral considering its ownership of ultra-conservative Deseret News which uses most of its page space endorsing conservative candidates, issues, religion and opinions.

Aside from its stance on abortion, contraception and same-sex marriage, the Catholic Church and its members are actually more moderate than the LDS Church. For example, it views poverty and hunger as a moral issue that needs to be addressed and recognizes a govt.-church partnership to accomplish those ends. Many in the LDS church view govt. as antithetical to that goal.

Finally, there seems to be a thicker wall between LDS members and the top leadership. How can leaders keep in touch with the needs and issues that arise when nothing from lay members can penetrate "the wall?"

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