Uteanymous -"Perhaps you ought to face the reality that most of
Wynn's games were played while Utah was still in the MWC, and Wynn's
passing efficiency was a mediocre 134.85 in 2009, and 139.84 in 2010." - And who were most of Riley Nelson's games played against? Thanks
for helping me make my point. And as for the jealousy comment ... I was
referring to the obvious jealousy of Utah's program as a whole right now
and not Jordan Wynn - though you'll all likely have Wynn-envy as well after
this season plays out. Riley's true lack of passing skill is likely to
surface to a much greater degree this season.Midpacmajor -"Having to live with the fact that outside-looking-in BYU, with it's
"WAC" schedule, managed to cracked the Top 25" - No Ute
fan would be willing to trade our season and record last year as a member of the
Pac 12 for your top 25 ranking. If you truly enjoy it more, good for you,
you're cheering for the right team.
NightOwlIt hurts, doesn't it?Having to live with
the fact that outside-looking-in BYU, with it's "WAC" schedule,
managed to cracked the Top 25, again, while
inside-looking-out Utah, with it's "conference of chumpions"
schedule, couldn't garner a single Top 25 voteas usual.There are lots of major conference Dukes and Indianas out there,
unfortunately for U, your basketball program is even worse.
"Perhaps you ought to take a peak at the strength of opponents."-motorbikePerhaps you ought to face the reality that most of
Wynn's games were played while Utah was still in the MWC, and Wynn's
passing efficiency was a mediocre 134.85 in 2009, and 139.84 in 2010.Jealousy issues?Why would any BYU fan be jealous of a mediocre,
injury-prone, starting quarterback who only has a career passing efficiency
rating of 133?
Uteanymous, its amazing the imprint a WAC legacy leaves on the minds of BYU
loyalists. And here you are talking about what Utah did not do in its 1st year
as a PAC 12 member.Suggestion: stock up on the milk & cookies.
Outside of Notre Dame, nobody cares about independent football programs. Your
ESPN contract means nothing. Otherwise games would have showed higher ratings
this past season. If USU or SUU jumped to a BCS conference, you
would still have the same feelings. Just can't get over the fact that BYU
is on the outside looking in. I will put it this way, Utah is at the table
enjoying a nice meal with the PAC. BYU is eating food storage.
I'm as blue as they come but quality of opponent is one if not the main
factor in the improved 3rd down efficiency. BYU also had a much better record
during that portion of its schedule and there is a high correlation between 3rd
down conversion and wins. Sure, Riles got some of those with his athleticism
but we'll never know, at least with the data presented, how any other QB
would have performed in the same situation. My point is the stat doesn't
mean anything and can't be used to draw any conclusions.
Uteanymous Serious jealousy issues.
deductive reasoning -"Compare Nelson's passing efficiency
to Utah's returning starter, Wynn, who has a career passing efficiency of
133.85 and has never broken 140 in any season of his career."Perhaps you ought to take a peak at the strength of opponents.
Sure, playing against weaker competition can help with 3rd down efficiency. But
you don't go from the bottom half of college football to being number one
just because of competition. Simply put, BYU went from facing a lot of 3rd and
long situations with Heaps to having a lot of 3rd and shorts with Nelson. A big
part of that was Nelson's ability to scramble and buy time; something Heaps
couldn't do. A big part of it was also Nelson's ability to put
'touch' on the ball, making it easier for receivers to catch balls.
TCU's coach referred to that when asked about having to prepare for a
Nelson led BYU rather than a Heaps led team.Anywho; yes, the
competition did help, but Nelson put BYU in much more makeable 3rd down
situations than Heaps did.
JohnInSLCRemind us again which championship the Utes won last season
- maybe, best team in the bottom half of the conference of chumpions?And how about that PAC 12 South?Four of Utah's five division
competitors finishing with losing records and the only competitor with a winning
record INELIGIBLE, and yet the Utes still failed to win their division because
they couldn't beat at 10-loss team on Utah's home turf.It's ironic that the only highlight of Utah's first season in the
PAC 12 was a big win over their now "irrelevant, non-BCS, former
rival".A win that, interestingly, didn't propel Utah into
the Top 25 and didn't keep BYU out.Doubly ironic.Here's a clue.A tougher schedule doesn't mean diddly if
you don't WIN!
There will always be naysayers who can't see past their own pre-conceived
biases.Nelson's passes may not be as "pretty" as
Heaps' passes, but he was far more effective last season, #14 in the nation
in passing efficiency at 152.93, with 57% completions, 19 TDs and only 7
ints.Compare Nelson's passing efficiency to Utah's
returning starter, Wynn, who has a career passing efficiency of 133.85 and has
never broken 140 in any season of his career.
"After Nelson took over, BYU was No. 1 in the nation over the next seven
games."I'm sure the quality of most of those seven
opponents had nothing to do with it. But hey, they did win the Idaho state
One can never question that Doman is not enthusiastic about his offense. Now
realistic? That's another matter."Can he (Nelson) throw for
3,000 yards and help BYU average 40 points a game? Doman says
absolutely."I want our Cougs to excel and for Nelson to lead the
way. But, is is realistic to expect a QB who threw for 1,717 yards, and avg. 143
per game & 14.8 yards per completion to reach 3K yards? I don't think
so.For Nelson to reach 3K yards, he'll have to average 250
yards passing per game. He didn't even average that against the
"lesser" part of our schedule last season. What leads us to believe
he'll to it this season, when the scheduled is decidedly more difficult
than last years schedule?Doman also talks in this article about the
“drop-back” passing approach. Since when did Nelson
“drop-back” much at all last season? He’s more successful
rolling out of the pocket and improvising.Hmmm.
Even with all of Tim Tebow's success last season with the Broncos...the
mainstream sports media still won't give him his due! As for Jimmer,
there's no doubt he can play well when he's given playing time.
Everything changed for Jimmer when head coach Paul Westphal was summarily
dismissed early in the season and much like Tebow, even with a breakout rookie
season he wouldn't be viewed any differently!
As much as I loathe BYU, I will admit that it's hard for me to hate Riley
Nelson.He just seems like a good dude. Humble, hard working and
I don't have a problem with Riles. He is a gamer and a leader. You
don't have to be the best player on the field or on the team if you can
lead others.As much as I like Jimmer, I see a little too much Morris
Almond in him. He can shoot and score (Morris dropped something like 53 in a
D-league game), but it never translated to a shot in the NBA.
Even though I am disappointed at Riley as our quarterback, I certainly
don’t want him to be hurt. I’ve already written off this season.
If he gets hurt, we’ll have to deal with him next year as well which
will write off that season. I just want him to complete his eligibility so he
can take up his position as a graduate assistant and later assistant coach.
Bronco won’t let this guy go no matter how poorly he plays.