Raybies - "We're all so sensitive as a people, and the press helps
accentuate out differences, when most of us--I believe--are willing to let
others believe whatever they want to believe as long as there's mutual
respect towards those who believe differently. This concept of not just
religious tolerance, but being open to sharing religions is what makes America
unique in the world."Where's the mutual respect for
other's who believe differently in this founding prophet's
statement?Joseph Smith - "I was answered that I must join none
of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that
all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were
all corrupt . . ." (Joseph Smith, "History of the Church, Vol. 1, page
@Riverton Cougar["His conclusion: the fact that many Catholics
won't let their religious conviction prevent them from voting for a Mormon
like Romney illustrates why it's such poor form for large numbers of
evangelicals to exclude a candidate from consideration solely on the basis of
religion."Great sentence! Are you listening, evangelicals?]Utah voted 89% for a losing candidate Romney last go around. It's
wrong for evangelicals to use religion to vote, but clearly Mormons (Romney got
85% of the LDS vote in Nevada) are doing it too and it's wrong in both
@RivertonCougar;It's easy for fictional characters to be
perfect in the way they run a government. Do you have any real examples for
us?@raybies;You're all for "religious
freedom" but God help anybody who doesn't want to live by your
"religious convictions" and follow their own path freely. Nope, you
just can't tolerate that particular religious freedom. There's a word
for it: Hypocrisy.Personally, I'm exhausted by all the
religious talk in politics. Exhausted. The real problem is that those touting
their religious beliefs, like Santorum, aren't willing to allow others to
live their own belief system if it differs from the "Christian" one.
Honestly, Romney isn't much better either.
@ Riverton Cougar: So the only example you can find is 2000 +/- years old? Makes it a pretty rare event.Which part do you think is in
short supply - the "righteous" man in politics or the ability of said
man to keep his religion out of government and allow others to worship according
to the dictates of their own consciences?
Best to keep religious talk out of any political talk. All religions claim
their divinity and that they speak for God. Politicians can talk about moral
values and doing good to others and striving for excellence, but they would be
better served to keep their own religious views out of the debate.DeltaFoxtTrot,Want to know what happens when a Church runs the
government?Look at Utah. No doubt it is on balance a well-run
state, but much subtle control over non-LDS by the LDS church is clearly
evident. CHS 85,I've seen folks running for mayor
and city council tout their LDS church leadership positions (Stake Pres, Bishop,
other church leadership positions) in their campaign signs and literature.
Most religious folks, especially in the USA, want to be free to exercise their
religion without being mocked or derided for what they believe. We're all
so sensitive as a people, and the press helps accentuate out differences, when
most of us--I believe--are willing to let others believe whatever they want to
believe as long as there's mutual respect towards those who believe
differently. This concept of not just religious tolerance, but being open to
sharing religions is what makes America unique in the world. I find it sad when
the government's only solution to remaining secular is banning all
religious expression--that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I think Romney demonstrates a solid coalition of religious diversity,
while being extremely supportive of religious freedom. He has proven he can hold
the trust of those who hold very staunch socially conservative states, like
Idaho. And he continues to welcome people into his umbrella of support
regardless of their ability to thump bible verses.
The religion card will be played if Obama and Romney go head to head this fall.
But it won't be played by Romney. It will be played by the liberal media
under the direction of Obama.
Senator Bennett and others are to be congratulated for the time and effort they
have spent in explaining the disfunction of "ideological purity", which
in the end is highly divisive in its marginalization and disdain of others.
However, there will always be some who for whatever reason just do not get it.
Fortunately they are a minority who while deserving of a place at the table do
not own it. For the tail to have wagged the dog for so long in Utah life and
politics is unfortunate.
Yeah, LVPam! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some find
'flagrant' secularism ugly, especially when masked behind a godless
humanist.For Biblical folks, we wished our current
Commander-in-Chief had been more forthcoming on the religious issue. If your
measuring stick is slick politics, fine. Stop forcing your principles and
personal determiners on others, as if your civics lesson supercedes our Biblical
guidelines.And the more Romney et al share their value system and
personal ethics, the better for those who want to discern a man's core
principals. I wish I'd heard more of BHO's comments about folks
"religion and guns" before I cast my primary vote. Boy did my important
vote change after I researched his true tenets and the (lack of) his religious
grounding.Talk on, candidates. Spill your guts. No reset buttons,
flipflops, or post-electorate revelations.
Note to writer Tim Egan at the NY Times: The fact that "Rick Santorum
doesn’t just wear his religion on his sleeve, he billboards it in
neon," is quite refreshing, actually. Perhaps Rick’s neon
broadcasting of religion will help people like, say, Bill Clinton understand
that his fellow Americans denounce his extramarital sexual affairs and flagrant
behavior. Nothin’ wrong with that sort of message being sent.
Nothin’ at all.
"Want to know what happens when the Church runs the government? Take a look
at Iran."Thanks for the example, but none of the candidates are
considering in any way having any church run the government. However, if you
want to know what happens when a righteous, religious man runs the government,
separately from the church, but in accordance with church principles, then read
the Book of Mormon, particularly the books of Mosiah and Alma.
In Utah it is much more subtle. How many candidates who are soliciting votes on
the radio make a point to insure we know that they went to BYU?
Want to know what happens when the Church runs the government? Take a look at
"His conclusion: the fact that many Catholics won't let their religious
conviction prevent them from voting for a Mormon like Romney illustrates why
it's such poor form for large numbers of evangelicals to exclude a
candidate from consideration solely on the basis of religion."Great sentence! Are you listening, evangelicals?