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The Cricket & Seagull: LDS Dems credit record caucus numbers to letter from LDS First Presidency

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  • Southernmiss HATTIESBURG, MS
    March 23, 2012 10:04 p.m.

    To LDS Liberal:

    Don't assume you know me or my political affiliations, or my background! What you are doing is justifying behavior that is not in line with the gospel. The reasons you brought up in your last response for abortion are the exceptions that are rare and will never be outlawed or held against a woman within the church! What a shallow answer you had! This is no reason to legalize abortion! Wow! Sometimes I wonder how some LDS would make it if they had to live in the "mission field" and had to really "live" your religion!

  • JLFuller Boise, ID
    March 23, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    Today’s Democrat party is not the same as the old one, sometimes called your father’s Democrat party. Today’s Democrat party is one in which Communists, socialists and the hard core radical left belong. What they represent is the destruction of the Constitution and implementation of the world wide socialist order. They seek a one world government with social elites in control. These are not my words but those of Communist leader Frances Fox Piven who said in last week’s Left Forum 2012 “Democrats, Socialists, Communists, Anarchists. We must all work together because of the huge task of transforming America and the world. We are all together.”

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 23, 2012 11:06 a.m.

    Southernmiss
    HATTIESBURG, MS
    To LDS Liberal:
    The LDSchurch does not condone abortion. If you pay for, participate in, or have an abortion, you will find yourself in a bishops office having your membership questioned.
    ===========

    That is your opinion, it is selected reasoning/justification, and incorrect.
    You misquote,
    1.it “counsels” against such practice.

    I suggest you read the LDS Church’s official policy regarding abortion.
    The Church allows for abortions, and lists some of the possible exceptions.

    2.Ultimately the churches leaves that CHOICE up to the Woman, her Doctor, and possibly extend to her Family/Church Leaders.

    i.e., Not you, not your Political Party, not the Government.

    BTW - Your opinion would have VICTIMS of rape and incest, and many good LDS OB/GYNs trying to save the lives of women all going to hell or excommunicated based on your political opinion - again, not in harmony with official LDS policy.

    I support the church, to the letter.
    I’m also a Liberal.

    FYI – that policy only applies to “members” of the LDS church and not all Americans.

    I repeat; “The Church has not favored
    OR OPPOSED
    legislative proposals… concerning abortion.”

    Anything else, and Everything else – is political, not doctrinal.

  • Southernmiss HATTIESBURG, MS
    March 22, 2012 7:52 p.m.

    To LDS Liberal:
    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints does not condone abortion. If you pay for, participate in, or have an abortion, you will find yourself in a bishops office having your membership questioned. It is just not acceptable in the eyes of God. And if someone wants to join the church, it is a matter which has to be taken to a higher level of interviews before being baptized. As for homosexuality, the wording used is "same sex attraction" by our prophet. Having an attraction alone is not a sin, but having sex outside the bonds of marriage is. We welcome all to come unto Christ and be baptized, but we recognize marriage to be between a man and a woman. If your personal beliefs differ from this, then, in fact, your beliefs do differ from that of the church, Please speak with your Bishop. Abortion is not ok. Gay marriage and sexual relationships outside marriage are not ok. I have friends and family who participate in a gay lifestyle and I love them very much, but that doesn't make what they do right.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    March 22, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    The First Presidency message wanted more participatio at the Caucuses. All other points
    are pure speculation. I moved to Utah from a state which was completely controlled by the Democratic party and I felt my freedoms were eroded and trampled. LDS who live in liberal, democrat states do tend to be more moderate and a higher percentage appear to vote for Democrats.
    I worked hard for a candidate for governor who was not LDS but was Republican because he had the
    values and platform that I felt would benefit the state. California has gone so far to the extreme left that sometimes it may be hard to find a good candidate. Utah has plenty of conservative democrats and lots of more liberal republicans so people have choice.

  • kargirl Sacramento, CA
    March 21, 2012 5:49 p.m.

    And if you belong to a party that will force you to do the right thing, revoking your God-given free agency and will punish you if you do not comply, does this party, which follows not the plan presented by our Savior but the one offered up by Lucifer, also represent your interest as well? Or would you prefer seeing your brothers and sisters, who do not follow your LDS bliefs, have the free agency to follow their own? One of our hymns states, "God will force no man to heaven". Is your party better?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    @patriot
    "A Mormon democrat - what's that? How can you be a Latter Day Saint and belong to party that legalizes and pushes late term abortion and gay marriage? When you VOTE for a party that kills children then you have a hand in the act of abortion yourself."

    So when you belong to a church that allows for abortions in the case of rape, incest, or the life of the mother being in jeopardy, you have a hand in the act of killing children yourself? Didn't think so... so maybe you shouldn't use this thought process to attack democrats.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    March 21, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    @patriot

    When you vote for people who send troops into countries to conquer them for no apparent justified reason, then YOU are as guilty as the enemy who kill our troops and the bombs that cause the collateral damage that kills innocent civilians.

    See, I can play this game just like you.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 21, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Regarding abortion; The LDS Church "has not favored or opposed legislative proposals… concerning abortion."
    Regarding same-sex marriage; the LDS Church is "unequivocally committed to defending the bedrock foundation of marriage between a man and a woman," but has taken an active role in support of non-discrimination ordinances that protect members of the LGBT community.

    It appears the LDS Church is more Liberal, and less Conservative than you are.

    My beliefs are in line and in harmony with the LDS Church’s, are yours?

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    March 21, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    "patriot
    Cedar Hills, UT
    A Mormon democrat - what's that? How can you be a Latter Day Saint and belong to party that legalizes and pushes late term abortion and gay marriage? When you VOTE for a party that kills children then you have a hand in the act of abortion yourself."

    A ridiculous statement. Not all democrats are for abortion and gay marriage. You're making vast generalizations about a group of people and that's wrong.

  • Chieftess Ivins, UT
    March 21, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    @patriot in Cedar Hills: The democratic party is divided on the issue of abortion. The LIBERAL Democrats want to make it legal and easy to access and paid for by the state, but the CONSERVATIVE democrats do not. Members of both parties are not sure how to make it illegal and yet have exceptions for certain situations threatening the mother's health, because then doctors may lie about the situation to get the state to cover it. If it wasn't for the conservative democrats, an abortion would have been a covered procedure under the health bills that were passed recently. Many Utahns think democrats are liberals, but that is just what Republicans in conservative states want you to think so you vote for them without truly considering each candidate based on his or her merits. What's interesting is that Utah used to always vote democrat until one year when members accidentally found out that Pres. David O. McKay favored Richard Nixon.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    March 21, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    A California Republican is the same as a Utah Democrat. That's why I'm independent. I always vote Republican for President, so far. But, in Utah, a conservative Dem is better than a Tea Party Rep.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 21, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    A Mormon democrat - what's that? How can you be a Latter Day Saint and belong to party that legalizes and pushes late term abortion and gay marriage? When you VOTE for a party that kills children then you have a hand in the act of abortion yourself.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    March 21, 2012 1:12 p.m.

    People who try to tell me how to vote because of my religious convictions are as misguided as those who can't spell mountain.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 21, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    Mormons voting for Democrats are like chickens voting for Col. Sanders.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 21, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    LauraM.Warburton
    HuntsvilleUT
    I feel this article alluded that the official statement from the LDS Church was worried about the balance of party politics in Utah. I feel that was misleading.

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    Wrong – It is PRECISELY what the Brethren are concerned about.

    "It is in the interest of the Church to have a two-party system . . . . Both locally and nationally, the interest of the Church and its members are served when we have… good men or women running on each ticket" ~ Pres. James E. Faust

    1. "There is a feeling that even nationally as a church, it's not in our best interest to be known as a one-party church."

    2. The overwhelming Republican affiliation of Mormons in Utah… weakens the checks and balances of good democratic government. "anytime you don't have the dialogue and the give-and-take that the democratic process provides" democracy suffers.

    3rd, it would be "very healthy for the church -- particularly the Utahchurch" if the common misconception that one cannot be a good Mormon and a Democrat "be obliterated." "everyone who is a good LDSaint is going to have to pick and choose a little bit regardless of the party that they're in…"

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    March 21, 2012 9:16 a.m.

    Glad to see a good turnout to the meeting. Most US citizens are ignorant of politics in America. Some even thought that Martin Sheen of West Wing fame was the President!!!! I would like to see more people get involved,irrespective of their political persuasion.

  • SKPerry Cedar Hills, UT
    March 21, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    JonP: Your observation is correct. Both statements are accurate -- one from the current posting at Mormon.org and the other from the most recent letter from the LDS First Presidency. I sent in a link to the most recent letter, but the change was unfortunately not made before the article ran.

    I've notified the editor and by the time you read this, I hope the correct link and the text as found in the most current letter will have been posted.

    Best to you, Steven

  • Laura M. Warburton Huntsville, UT
    March 21, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    I feel this article alluded that the official statement from the LDS Church was worried about the balance of party politics in Utah. I feel that was misleading.

    The Legislature is a direct reflection of the citizens who are registered to vote. While there are far more registered Republicans than Democrats, the numbers of unaffiliated registered voters are a large number as well. Each party represents a platform. People choose who they are most aligned with. It's that simple. That's how the process works. If we were to redefine the meaning of 'fair' to mean the same number of democrats to republicans in the legislature, and forced that ratio, would that be fair to the citizens?

    I was thrilled with the turnout to caucus for both parties! I hope those numbers translate into citizen activists who respectfully press their agenda. However, let's not insinuate the roll of the LDS Church was anything more than a call to participation in the process as a whole.

  • Fern RL LAYTON, UT
    March 21, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    @Jon P: The quote from the article was: "Principles compatible with the gospel are found in the platforms of all major political parties." (You left off "major") You are right, though, that the link to the letter says "various" instead of "all major". I was thinking that when I heard the letter read, that it said "all major" but to me, it doesn't make as much difference as it would if they had said simply "all".

    The point of the article was the increase of interest in the Democratic Party among LDS people in Utah this year. I can agree, although there also seemed to be a huge increase of participation in the Republican precincts in my area as well. Even though I chose to retain my party designation this year, I have already been thinking of switching it in the future.

  • boatersteve Fruit Heights, Utah
    March 21, 2012 7:44 a.m.

    What would the democratic party offer to Mormons in order to invite them into that party? It appears many moral, economic, first amendment rights and other important issues are simply not shared by the democrats in a way that is compatibable with many Mormon beliefs. So I pose the question again what can the democratic party offer to change those fundamental differences?

  • JonP Baraboo, WI
    March 21, 2012 7:13 a.m.

    The link to the official statement differs from your quote from the letter.

    Link:
    Principles compatible with the gospel may be found in the platforms of various political parties.

    Your Quote:
    Principles compatible with the gospel may be found in the platforms of all political parties.

    There is quite the difference between the two. Which one is correct?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 21, 2012 6:49 a.m.

    The turnout may in fact be due to the letter, but I doubt it will translate to the polls in November. Utah is too far gone, and only a letter that we need a two party system and thus should elect Democrats will help. In the meantime, coverage in this paper makes the Dems look like a quaint little group that is no threat to anyone. Really strong Democratic LDS candidates are still unwilling to spit into the wind and get crushed in this state, which includes having their faith questioned and their political affiliation affecting their professional lives. It is a long-standing culture of fear and intimidation.