Most of the votes that are cast to Santorum because of religion is because they
do not like Mitt and his religion and not because they like Santorum. Mitt gets
Utah's vote because of his religion is not because they do not like Santorum and
his religion but because they like Mitt and his religion. Big difference...
Romney will be the eventual nominee - end of story. And the South will shrug
their shoulders and cast their vote for him. Their only other choice is to
re-elect the Anointed One.
@williaryNow that was well said.I don't have to try and
vent the same frustrations anymore.Let me just re-post Williary."Considering over half of Republican voters in both Mississipi and
Alabama still want to believe that Fox News is right, and President Obama is a
Muslim terrorist, it is hard to take anything these voters have to say
seriously. It is ironic that so many DNews readers get frustrated
with religion being a hinderment to Mitt. For one, from what we know about Mitt
before his flip-flop to the more conservative candidate today, he is much more
moderate than Utah Republicans. Yet they support him, due to his religious
affiliation. Ironic. I guess you could say he is getting votes due to his
religion, and losing them for the same reason. Second, Utah Republicans love Fox
News. The same Fox News who continues to question President Obama's religion.
Again, ironic."Again, well said.Gone are the days of
Edward R. Murrow.Fox News, MSNBC, and yes even CNN are propaganda
tools created to make so called news a money making enterprise. These stations
aren't much more credible than the BBC News or evem Al_Jezeera.
@Hutterite"It's tough to put a positive spin on romney's
yesterday, isn't it?"Correct me if I'm wrong, please. My
understanding is that he who gets to 1144 delegates first wins the GOP
nomination. Mitt Romney has almost 500. Rick Santorum has about 250. Newt
Gingrich has 130. And Ron Paul has 48. After having just finished a round of
primaries in the Deep South, Romney has almost doubled up his nearest rival for
the nomination. So what am I missing here? If Romney is still ahead by that
far in the delegate count after almost all the Southern States have voted, that
seems like pretty good momentum to me. Can you think of a scenario where
Santorum is going to make up the difference and beat Romney to 1144?
"Regardless of who wins the nomination, the very idea that religious
preference has ANYTHING to do with it is a sad commentary on our society".
Can you actually "protest" like this here in UTAH? Utah is a sad
commentary. It's all about religion in Utah!!
If you took that same poll in Utah you would have a larger percentage saying the
same thing. All in favor of Romney. So quit you bellyaching.
It's tough to put a positive spin on romney's yesterday, isn't it?
Wow! The intellectual gymnastics on this thread are impressive...worthy of
medals in virtually any contest.I know that mormons and DN loves to
make themselves the victims but I don't see anyone complaining that the
mormon-influenced Hawaii caucuses went for Mitt. I'm surprised how many members
of the LDS church just don't like or trust Mitt. He's clearly willing to say
whatever it takes to get elected. He's always had a malleable relationship with
the truth.Why isn't anyone talking about evangelicals having
extremely strong opinions about abortion, gay rights and a host of other social
issues that simply aren't a fit for Mitt? If you stripped away the names, faces
and religious claims of all the GOP contenders and only allowed people the
chance to study their records - complete with flip-flops and contradictions, I
doubt Mitt would do well. His moderate positions do even worse in the south.Mitt is his own problem. It's not his religion regardless of how much
some would like to make themselves the victims of bigotry.I like the
name-calling but how many of you would vote for a non-believer? And how many
support gay rights? Throwing stones?
Why don't we call the metric in the poll in which religion is very important the
religious bigotry poll question or better yet, the anti-Mormon poll question. As
I have said in a previous post, it is a sad indictment that this level of
bigotry still exists today. It is of interest to note that this level of bigotry
is very regional in states not carried by Romney. Let's hope that those secular
states (a.k.a. not bigoted)which are ahead will give Mitt the boost he needs to
put him over the top to win this nomination.
Any other candidate and the press would crucify the evangelicals for being
religious bigots who don't believe in religious freedom in America... but
hurting Romney by maintaining religious ignorance helps them keep their guy
Obama in office.
@A1994"I have far more confidence in Southerners evangelicals to be
accepting than I do in the left wing of the Democratic party."The numbers show Democrats to be slightly more intolerant of LDS politicians
than Republicans are, but what is the reason for that? I believe that a lot of
it stems from the fact that LDS members are, on average, very conservative, and
that Democrats are still bitter about that Prop 8 thing so they aren't trusting
of LDS politicians who they assume will be conservative. Once they get to know
them better, like with Harry Reid, they'll support ones they agree with
politically. They might think that the LDS religion is weird... but generally
don't tend to care about religion unless they think a candidate will impose
their religious beliefs on others with regards to gay marriage or abortion which
is back to being a political difference.Republicans tend to be
conservative, so politics doesn't matter as much as to whether or not they'll
vote for a Mormon (unless it's a Mormon who instituted a health insurance
mandate...); their differences with Mormons tend to be more based on dislike of
religion rather than dislike of political positions.
You have to understand southerner's ways of thinking. Then all this baloney
won't bother you as you smile and shrug your shoulders.
It is interesting to see the comments about religious tolerance. Not every
Southerner who voted against Mitt hates Mormons. And don't think for a minute
that if Mitt wins the nomination (which looks pretty sure at this point) that
the South is going from red states to blue states. I've always thought that the
real intolerance and hate is going to come from the left. If you disagree,
please go look at what Chris Matthews of MSNBC had to say about 'outsourcing the
election to a Mormon.' I have far more confidence in Southerners evangelicals
to be accepting than I do in the left wing of the Democratic party.
"But close observers ought to have suspected something was amiss as soon as
they peaked inside the exit polls." Isn't that supposed to be
"peeked"? Romney will win, and will be the next President
of the United States. "Mitt the Miracle Man!" You heard it first here!
Atl134I stand corrected.
I'd be curious what the voting patterns of the "religion is very
important" people are when we get around to Utah. Then maybe we can ask if
what people have a problem with is voters applying a religious test... or if
they're just annoyed when the test is applied against their own faith.
Just keep wishing and hoping the phone calls from Mitt Romney will cease.
@satch "One thing the media never has brought is the fact Rick Snatorium has
not even come close to winning a state where less than half of the voters are
evangelicals."What is the Ohio evangelical percentage?
Santorum lost by 1 in that state. 3 in Michigan is still close, what's the
evangelical percentage there? Minnesota is really over 50% evangelical in a GOP
primary? Colorado too? Santorum won both of those.
Mississippi and Alabama evangelicals will NEVER vote for a Mormon.. pretty
One thing the media never has brought is the fact Rick Snatorium has not even
come close to winning a state where less than half of the voters are
evangelicals.It's the independent voter that will decide the
president and Mitt Romney is killing Santorium in this area.I wish I
could say I can't believe it, but bigotry is still alive and well in the south.
What is more alarming is that Santorium is so blatant in his approach to gaining
voters this way.
Isn't it wonderful the religious bigotry and closed-mindedness of those
so-called religious voters. Amazes me everyday. They apparently have forgotten
why this nation was founded. Religious Liberty and not religious bigotry.
Majority of the votes or evangelical votes that Santorum got in the South are
because they don't like Mitt and the Mormons to win not because they like
Santorum. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints will vote
for Mitt because they like Mitt and not because they don't like Santorum. Big
It's interesting that it seems Catholics are more likely to vote for Romney,
Southerners aren't heavily Catholic, and want to vote for someone who shares
their religious beliefs....Santorum is Catholic, Mitt is a member of the Church
of Jesus Christ. Mormons probably have more in common with Catholics AND other
Christians than any other group...it's so confusing...
Considering over half of Republican voters in both Miss and Bama still want to
believe that Fox News is right, and President Obama is a Muslim terrorist,
itÂs hard to take anything these voters have to say seriously. It is
ironic that so many DNews readers get frustrated with religion being a hinder to
Mitt. For one, from what we know about Mitt before his flip-flop to the more
conservative candidate today, heÂs much more moderate than Utah
Republicans. Yet they support him, due to his religious affiliation. Ironic.
I guess you could say heÂs getting votes due to his religion, and losing
them for the same reason. Second, Utah Republicans love Fox News. The same Fox
News who continues to question President ObamaÂs religion. Again, ironic.
Oh and to those of that still believe that Santorum's wins were about
"conservative" vs "very conservative" or rich overspending
frontrunner or any other reason..... just remember that in 2008 John
McCain swept many of the southern states when he was the moderate and Romney was
the conservative alternative. McCain was the heavy spending frontrunner and
Romney was the underdog. So, you take two election years, two
groups of candidates, the only thing that makes Romney the consistent loser is
that his brand of Christianity is unacceptable to many Southern voters.I don't complain, I would simply like to point out that this is a pure
reflection on the voters and their own personal biases and not a huge shortfall
on the part of Romney. He is golfing with the biggest handicap of anyone this
election cycle. Who would have thought that Mormonism is more of a liability
that multiple cases of adultery or complete religious and social extremism.
Santorum has signed a pledge to never uphold abortion even if the mother and
baby are going to die. He also wants to educate us all of the dangers of
contraception and college. Out of the south PRETTY PLEASE.
Religious people are the ones who want "religious freedom" and religion
in the public square...So when you shove your religion into the
public, and it becomes an issue, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.
Instead of wearing a sweater vest, Santorum needs to get a shirt made that says,
"Not and Mormon." He could wear it to every campaign stop. That's
really why he is getting votes in the deep south if he wants to admit it or not.
The important thing that keeps being missed is highlighted by one of your other
headlines - "Mitt Romney hits Obama, ignores GOP rivals in Missouri".
He is acting like he has one the nomination, not like he needs to explain how
his faith, his work experience, better prepares him to be the leader of this
country. Romney needs to 1) stop spending so much time
"hitting" the other people and 2) helping people understand that it is
his faith, his ethics, his sense of right and wrong, his faith in God, that sets
him apart from the other two Republican candidates. The economy is becoming
less a factor in this election, so charector and social issues are sneaking into
this context. Romney needs to difuse any thoughts that he is as much driven by
the same ethics and values, or even more so, than the other two he is running
against. The fact that Romney losses ground against Newt proves he has done a
very poor job in this area.We know who Obama is, we need to know
more about who Romney is. After 6 years of running, Mit still hasn't completed
Regardless of who wins the nomination, the very idea that religious preference
has ANYTHING to do with it is a sad commentary on our society. A society that
spends so much time wringing our hands over separation of church and state.