Well, Well, Well..This taints the titles won too.
If I have a store that provides good service and takes care of the school
(Universal) why would I shop around? My best friend works at a store that
supplies 15 schools uniforms and has every year for a dozen years. He said he
never competes with other bids. As long as they were the same price as last
year and are a good value, the coach continues with him because of
thenrelationship. The coaches want value and what is easiest. Getting bids
like someone else said is when you run into kickbacks and shady dealings.Plus is there is no policy down there to follow, as thier district is
still trying to write one, how can a coach be held accountable?Also,
if the principle OK's everything and signs off on it....isn't it his blame if he
says it's OK and nothing is wrong?This whole thing sounds like a
witch hunt and jealousy because Timpview runs a better program than the other
schools around them and they fundraise better than the lazy men and women that
sit onthe district board. It makes them look bad. I would take
legal action against them if I were the coach....
Moral of this story.....don't try to do good things for kids. Dont
fundraise on you own time with no help from the district, because trying to have
a better environment forr kiids is wrong. Other coaches take
note....dont put your life and soul into something, because it just makes others
who dont want to put out the effort look bad.Let's penalize a man
who is a role model because we can't beat him on the field, so let's find
another way to level the field.I have been following this whole
ordeal. What a joke. Basic human nature to tear people down. Basic human
nature to be jealous. Wanting everything the same. Wanting free handout. They
should hire this Wong guy and have him teach Districts how to fundraise in the
State. What school doesn't need upgrades and better things.
I know little about this, and was not raised in Utah, so there may be nuances
here that I am not getting. However, it certainly appears to me that the
"innocent until proven guilty" ideal of the US legal system isn't being
applied, from what I can see of the way things are being handled. I have to
agree with an assertion in the article that it seems the intent is to make Coach
Wong look bad in the court of public opinion so that the outcry will be muted
when he is indeed fired. It does indeed appear that those in charge are looking
for a way to get rid of him, whatever their motivation for that might be.
I'm as familiar with this situation as any involved having seen the full
reports. I am 100% that Coach Wong is innocent of any wrongdoing. I personally
can't believe the accusations some are making and knowing the motives of those
involved I question how it has gotten this far. I hope the process
plays out fully and Coach Wong is able to restore his name.
How about an article about the thousands of hours that this coach and others put
into high school athletics for much less than minimum wage - sometimes as little
as $2 per hour. The districts and the state know that they are paying coaches
next to nothing for a lot of time and hard work. Coaches are totally taken
advantage of in this state. What other job in education is knowingly paid less
than minimum wage? Bus Drivers - $15 per hour to drive the teams. Administrators
- $20+ per hour to watch games. Referees - $20 plus per hour. 17 year old
custodians - $8-10 per hour to clean up after games. The coach - $2 per hour.
I'm not claiming coaches should misuse funds, but coaches could sure use all the
help they can get in running a program. Is the coach supposed to pay out of his
own pocket for a dinner for his staff?
xc221 and all others who continue to spread the $2/hr lie. I am so tired of
reading comments about how coaches only make $2/hr. If you check on
utahsright.com you can check the salary of any public employee in the state
including coaches. Head coaches average $30,000/yr in addition to their
teaching salary. Lets take 5 months of 20 day work weeks, with 5 hours
committed to coaching football each day, I think these are generous numbers. Do
the math. That works out to 500 hours of coaching football divided into $30,000
per year salary and you get.... $60/hr not the $2 you claim. The nice thing
about the math I learned in a Utah High School is that math doesn't lie or give
answers based on emotion.Now I will give you that there are some
assistant football coaches who don't make a lot of money, but your implication
in this instance is that Head Coaches get no thanks and no money. Not True,
Regarding the previous comment...There is not a HIGH SCHOOL head coach in the
state of UTAH that gets $30,000 a year added on to their teaching salary. You
tell me where that is and I may believe you. I have nothing against
coach wong, but it sounds like he broke the rules in the district and the state.
It could have been with administration help but he still broke the rules. You
cant play dumb. I think the administration at timpview should start looking for
new jobs as well as coach wong, he should have went to the U of U when they
Misuse of public funds is why most teacher loose their jobs. I had to deal with
that when I was an administrator and took over the supervision of Athletics. We
had coaches who would run up bills and expect the Student Body to pay, then say
they would pay it back later on when the season was over and they would do
fundraisers. They were always in the red in their finances I had assistant
coaches taking wives and children to out-of-state tournaments and want to be
reimbursed for their travel. Others wanted the Student Body to pay for student
Letters when the student would not buy a Student Body card. The coaches claimed
the students couldn't afford the $15 for the card, yet would become silent when
I pointed out the kid drove a nice car, had $200 tennis shoes, a $300 Letterman
jacket and $100 slacks and spent $500 dollars for the Junior Prom. All of the
above coaches had great winning records, but left when I stopped the cash cow.
They felt they and their players were entitled to these things.
The Provo School District is pathetic. Fire a guy for taking the initiative and
aggressively fundraising enough money to dramatically improve Timpview High
School, its programs, and its students. Yes, he wins football games, but even
more than that he makes these kids better, he makes his school better, and he
makes his community better. What a joke. I wouldn't blame
Coach Wong for going somewhere else, where they actually appreciate somebody
who's good at improving the school and its students.
The essential differences between malfeasance and irregularities is that
malfeasance means someone broke the law and the authorities can prove it vs
irregularities where someone broke the law and the authorities cannot prove it.
At Timpview it is it one or the other? At Timpview not should the authorities
investigate the coach but the authorities should study that entire team fund and
just who contributed to it -- and how -- and why.
I want to make a comment here because I've had some experience in the state with
a lot of high schools and the bidding process. There are rules and they're
clearly defined. I'm a small businessman who frequents these high schools in an
attempt to get business for athletic apparrel and screenprinting and embroidery
services. Part of the problem here is Under Armour and some of these high dollar
businesses coming into the school and promising this for that.I'm always amazed
at how I can go in and with compairable merchandise many times beat a bid and
not get the business.Much of this problem is coaches not knowing where this
stuff comes from and the mark up of a lot of this stuff. When you let the big
corporations in....they will start to dictate what you can and can't
do...especially when it come to purchasing their merchandise. That's why other's
are shut out of the bid process.. because they're in business with someone who's
dictating the rules. One final thought....where are these companies now...you
haven't seen one of them come to to defend this coach. They'll just move on to
the next high school.
Proud Skyline Alum. I can't imagine where you got your info. I get $2,000.00
extra to be a head high school football coach. That is the norm. It's not about
the money or we would not coach. $30,000 total counting teaching is what
teachers/coaches make their first few years.
Shoulda kept Van Orden as the head coach
all that education went to waste
Wow, after reading the 29 page audit, it looks petty. It also looks
like they will need to let go the Band, Cheer, HS Secretary, Assistant
Principle, Volleyball, Men's Soccer and Principle.They all were not
instructed on how fees or monies were suppose tombe documented and all were
mentioned in findings of non documented receipts.I would also
include thier current Principal, who appears to be blaming it on a system
already established and is trying to find a "fall guy " .....hence the
football coach and not the men's soccer coach. It is clear that
here was no set in stone guidelines explained to teachers there, which falls on
the Principle and the District.
A few questions that need answers. 1. Does the new principal want to bring in
how own HC and is looking for anything to make this happen? 2. Are those
illegible signature forged? If not, then Wong is innocent. If they were forged,
then Wong must be let go. 3. Let's not forget how Alta treated their HC,
allowing a few hot headed parents to run him out. Could this be the case at
Timpview? 4. Back to the new principal .......someone is looking to climb the
latter and step on some folks on the way up. The problem in Utah is the
local media usually, if not always, side with the powers that be. The powers
that be send out red herrings so as to turn attention away from their own
Another school district out of control, board members who want attention and
control and who don't understand the importance of high school athletics to a
community. Just like with Les Hamilton, I'm sure Wong will be cleared of
wrongdoing but the little board members needed their day in the sun.Hopefully Coach Wong applies and gets the Draper high school job. Shame on
the Provo school board, they need to all be voted out!
He's definitely getting fired. They may seem petty, but the time and detail they
put into this audit won't be in vain. Wong is a great coach and a great
individual and coach/teacher for those kids. He'll be coaching somewhere else
soon and hopefully he'll come back and stick it to Timpview and the new
principal/district. Best of luck.
I am an auditor and there are basically three ways to handle public money: the
right way, the wrong way, and the sloppy way. The wrong and sloppy ways always
result in problems. My advice to anyone who handles other people's money is to
follow all policies and procedures with precision. Under state law and district
policies, for the most part, money received as a result of fundraising
activities becomes school/public funds. Remember that the best way to get rid
of someone, regardless of the real reason, is to prove they handled money badly.
Remember what Deep Throat said to Woodward and Bernstein: "follow the
money." Stay honest my friends.
Not sure what the out cry is here - pretty cut n dried it seems. Using money for
player meals and airfare and car repairs etc..... Geez, what was Wong thinking.
Just follow the rules and you don't get in trouble. Break the rules and get
caught and down the road you go....
re: Proud Skyline Alum:Get your facts straight. There is not a high
school coach in the state that is receiving school funds in addition to his
teaching anywhere near $30,000. Districts have different policies regarding
this matter. Typically, teachers receive up to 13 days of their daily rate to
be a head football coach. Someone who has been around a bit may make close to
$45,000 a year to teach. Divide that by days taught-183, the daily rate is
$245.90. Multiply that by 13 days, they get an additional $3196.72(before
taxes). 20 hour weeks? Seriously? A worth his salt will put in a
lot more time than just twenty hours-that's just practice and game time. There
is time that is put in the offseason, academic tracking, breaking down film,
weights, skill development, clinics, etc...Proud Skyline Alum, huh?
I thought the Eagle faculty better educated their students than that.
Typical.Coach Wong is a tremendous coach and person that is going
through a bit of trash. His character will shine through and he will come out
on top. His former administrators need to be held accountable.
Every high school coach puts in loads of hours that he isn't paid for - welcome
to high school athletics. Putting in extra hours doesn't give license to steal.
Also , I highly doubt the principal would ok the sort of expenditures Wong was
guilty of. Same ole story - when something seems too good to be true it usually
is. High schools can't recruit so having the sort of success that Timpview has
had year after year should be a red flag. There has to be some sort of advantage
that most folks don't know about.
I just checked on utahsright, out of curiosity. I don't know about the
"$30,000 on top", but the salary listed there should be plenty
comfortable in Utah County. I should have become a head high school football
coach!And a note to moderators: Another person used the link for
utahsright, and that post clearly went through. I don't care what the rules for
posting are, but they need to be applied uniformly.
Why is everybody arguing about how much a high school football coach makes?
That's totally irrelevant to the story. There are two relevant facts here: 1. A
high school football coach knowingly and willingly broke the law. 2. Parents who
value football over integrity are defending it.
I am a ex-tbird, and played for them years ago. I love TBIRD football, and the
coaches. That said the evidence presented is a justified reason to kick Wong to
the curb. I was coached by him myself, and have a great deal of respect for the
man, but he screwed up. Badly. Football and winning are not the most important
thing. Yes, he is a incredible coach with a fantastic record. That doesn't
excuse him from any wrong doing though. He broke the law, he needs to own up to
it. He should consider himself lucky if this only ends at his job being
taken.Winning at football games does not make you above the law.
You don't look the other way just because the coach gets things done. I know
for a fact that the man has done some great things for the school. That doesn't
mean he gets a free pass when he does something illegal. Some of you need a
very serious reality check. It will be a real shame if this hurts the TBIRDs
(it will), but that is just the breaks. The law is greater then a silly game.
Whats the latest word?This story was all over the papers and TV and now
nothing?I am hearing a lot of rumors...Come on D news, what is the