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Published: Tuesday, March 13 2012 6:34 p.m. MDT

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just sayin'
Woods Cross, UT

Well, Well, Well..This taints the titles won too.

Pac 12 Fever
Salt Lake City, UT

If I have a store that provides good service and takes care of the school (Universal) why would I shop around? My best friend works at a store that supplies 15 schools uniforms and has every year for a dozen years. He said he never competes with other bids. As long as they were the same price as last year and are a good value, the coach continues with him because of thenrelationship. The coaches want value and what is easiest. Getting bids like someone else said is when you run into kickbacks and shady dealings.

Plus is there is no policy down there to follow, as thier district is still trying to write one, how can a coach be held accountable?

Also, if the principle OK's everything and signs off on it....isn't it his blame if he says it's OK and nothing is wrong?

This whole thing sounds like a witch hunt and jealousy because Timpview runs a better program than the other schools around them and they fundraise better than the lazy men and women that sit onthe district board. It makes them look bad.

I would take legal action against them if I were the coach....

slcftball
Salt Lake City, UT

Moral of this story.....don't try to do good things for kids.

Dont fundraise on you own time with no help from the district, because trying to have a better environment forr kiids is wrong.

Other coaches take note....dont put your life and soul into something, because it just makes others who dont want to put out the effort look bad.

Let's penalize a man who is a role model because we can't beat him on the field, so let's find another way to level the field.

I have been following this whole ordeal. What a joke. Basic human nature to tear people down. Basic human nature to be jealous. Wanting everything the same. Wanting free handout. They should hire this Wong guy and have him teach Districts how to fundraise in the State. What school doesn't need upgrades and better things.

JT4
Salt Lake City, UT

I know little about this, and was not raised in Utah, so there may be nuances here that I am not getting. However, it certainly appears to me that the "innocent until proven guilty" ideal of the US legal system isn't being applied, from what I can see of the way things are being handled. I have to agree with an assertion in the article that it seems the intent is to make Coach Wong look bad in the court of public opinion so that the outcry will be muted when he is indeed fired. It does indeed appear that those in charge are looking for a way to get rid of him, whatever their motivation for that might be.

Timp
South Jordan, UT

I'm as familiar with this situation as any involved having seen the full reports. I am 100% that Coach Wong is innocent of any wrongdoing. I personally can't believe the accusations some are making and knowing the motives of those involved I question how it has gotten this far.

I hope the process plays out fully and Coach Wong is able to restore his name.

xc221
Layton, UT

How about an article about the thousands of hours that this coach and others put into high school athletics for much less than minimum wage - sometimes as little as $2 per hour. The districts and the state know that they are paying coaches next to nothing for a lot of time and hard work. Coaches are totally taken advantage of in this state. What other job in education is knowingly paid less than minimum wage? Bus Drivers - $15 per hour to drive the teams. Administrators - $20+ per hour to watch games. Referees - $20 plus per hour. 17 year old custodians - $8-10 per hour to clean up after games. The coach - $2 per hour. I'm not claiming coaches should misuse funds, but coaches could sure use all the help they can get in running a program. Is the coach supposed to pay out of his own pocket for a dinner for his staff?

Proud Skyline Alum
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

xc221 and all others who continue to spread the $2/hr lie. I am so tired of reading comments about how coaches only make $2/hr. If you check on utahsright.com you can check the salary of any public employee in the state including coaches. Head coaches average $30,000/yr in addition to their teaching salary. Lets take 5 months of 20 day work weeks, with 5 hours committed to coaching football each day, I think these are generous numbers. Do the math. That works out to 500 hours of coaching football divided into $30,000 per year salary and you get.... $60/hr not the $2 you claim. The nice thing about the math I learned in a Utah High School is that math doesn't lie or give answers based on emotion.

Now I will give you that there are some assistant football coaches who don't make a lot of money, but your implication in this instance is that Head Coaches get no thanks and no money. Not True,

utahcountyfan
Springville, Utah

Regarding the previous comment...There is not a HIGH SCHOOL head coach in the state of UTAH that gets $30,000 a year added on to their teaching salary. You tell me where that is and I may believe you.
I have nothing against coach wong, but it sounds like he broke the rules in the district and the state. It could have been with administration help but he still broke the rules. You cant play dumb. I think the administration at timpview should start looking for new jobs as well as coach wong, he should have went to the U of U when they wanted him.

CougarBlue
Heber City, UT

Misuse of public funds is why most teacher loose their jobs. I had to deal with that when I was an administrator and took over the supervision of Athletics. We had coaches who would run up bills and expect the Student Body to pay, then say they would pay it back later on when the season was over and they would do fundraisers. They were always in the red in their finances I had assistant coaches taking wives and children to out-of-state tournaments and want to be reimbursed for their travel. Others wanted the Student Body to pay for student Letters when the student would not buy a Student Body card. The coaches claimed the students couldn't afford the $15 for the card, yet would become silent when I pointed out the kid drove a nice car, had $200 tennis shoes, a $300 Letterman jacket and $100 slacks and spent $500 dollars for the Junior Prom. All of the above coaches had great winning records, but left when I stopped the cash cow. They felt they and their players were entitled to these things.

teerev
PROVO, UT

The Provo School District is pathetic. Fire a guy for taking the initiative and aggressively fundraising enough money to dramatically improve Timpview High School, its programs, and its students. Yes, he wins football games, but even more than that he makes these kids better, he makes his school better, and he makes his community better.
What a joke.

I wouldn't blame Coach Wong for going somewhere else, where they actually appreciate somebody who's good at improving the school and its students.

rightascension
Provo, UT

The essential differences between malfeasance and irregularities is that malfeasance means someone broke the law and the authorities can prove it vs irregularities where someone broke the law and the authorities cannot prove it. At Timpview it is it one or the other? At Timpview not should the authorities investigate the coach but the authorities should study that entire team fund and just who contributed to it -- and how -- and why.

Pugman
TREMONTON, UT

I want to make a comment here because I've had some experience in the state with a lot of high schools and the bidding process. There are rules and they're clearly defined. I'm a small businessman who frequents these high schools in an attempt to get business for athletic apparrel and screenprinting and embroidery services. Part of the problem here is Under Armour and some of these high dollar businesses coming into the school and promising this for that.I'm always amazed at how I can go in and with compairable merchandise many times beat a bid and not get the business.Much of this problem is coaches not knowing where this stuff comes from and the mark up of a lot of this stuff. When you let the big corporations in....they will start to dictate what you can and can't do...especially when it come to purchasing their merchandise. That's why other's are shut out of the bid process.. because they're in business with someone who's dictating the rules. One final thought....where are these companies now...you haven't seen one of them come to to defend this coach. They'll just move on to the next high school.

justafan
Gunnison, Utah

Proud Skyline Alum. I can't imagine where you got your info. I get $2,000.00 extra to be a head high school football coach. That is the norm. It's not about the money or we would not coach. $30,000 total counting teaching is what teachers/coaches make their first few years.

jarka-rus
Layton, Utah

Shoulda kept Van Orden as the head coach

dueling banjos
salt lake city, ut

all that education went to waste

Swishfrom3
Salt Lake City, UT

Wow, after reading the 29 page audit, it looks petty.

It also looks like they will need to let go the Band, Cheer, HS Secretary, Assistant Principle, Volleyball, Men's Soccer and Principle.

They all were not instructed on how fees or monies were suppose tombe documented and all were mentioned in findings of non documented receipts.

I would also include thier current Principal, who appears to be blaming it on a system already established and is trying to find a "fall guy " .....hence the football coach and not the men's soccer coach.

It is clear that here was no set in stone guidelines explained to teachers there, which falls on the Principle and the District.

RaininTime
Orem, UT

A few questions that need answers. 1. Does the new principal want to bring in how own HC and is looking for anything to make this happen? 2. Are those illegible signature forged? If not, then Wong is innocent. If they were forged, then Wong must be let go. 3. Let's not forget how Alta treated their HC, allowing a few hot headed parents to run him out. Could this be the case at Timpview? 4. Back to the new principal .......someone is looking to climb the latter and step on some folks on the way up.
The problem in Utah is the local media usually, if not always, side with the powers that be. The powers that be send out red herrings so as to turn attention away from their own nefarious motives.

plyxply
SLC, UT

Another school district out of control, board members who want attention and control and who don't understand the importance of high school athletics to a community. Just like with Les Hamilton, I'm sure Wong will be cleared of wrongdoing but the little board members needed their day in the sun.
Hopefully Coach Wong applies and gets the Draper high school job. Shame on the Provo school board, they need to all be voted out!

JP Skillet
Murray, UT

He's definitely getting fired. They may seem petty, but the time and detail they put into this audit won't be in vain. Wong is a great coach and a great individual and coach/teacher for those kids. He'll be coaching somewhere else soon and hopefully he'll come back and stick it to Timpview and the new principal/district. Best of luck.

headplate
Salt Lake City, UT

I am an auditor and there are basically three ways to handle public money: the right way, the wrong way, and the sloppy way. The wrong and sloppy ways always result in problems. My advice to anyone who handles other people's money is to follow all policies and procedures with precision. Under state law and district policies, for the most part, money received as a result of fundraising activities becomes school/public funds. Remember that the best way to get rid of someone, regardless of the real reason, is to prove they handled money badly. Remember what Deep Throat said to Woodward and Bernstein: "follow the money." Stay honest my friends.

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