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Published: Wednesday, March 7 2012 8:30 p.m. MST

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Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

Utah Constitution, Article I, Section 6. [Right to bear arms.]
The individual right of the people to keep and bear arms for security and defense of self, family, others, property, or the state, as well as for other lawful purposes shall not be infringed; but nothing herein shall prevent the Legislature from defining the lawful use of arms.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

A good bill, and much needed. Pass it today!

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

Who determines what "threatening behavior" is?

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: CHS 85 7:59 a.m. March 8, 2012
"Who determines what "threatening behavior" is?"

Any Utahn with low to average intelligent can identify threatening behavior in a heartbeat. Is the individual carrying the firearm yelling and screaming, or is he minding his own business while walking down the sidewalk with Utah's official state firearm?

Your typical Utahn is much more concerned that he (or she) is going to get killed by a drunk driver or the random distracted driver who's texting his sweetheart than he is about the guy packing his Browning Model M1911 semiautomatic pistol.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@Rifleman

Thanks for not actually answering the question.

So, according to you, the person carrying the gun determines whether behavior is threatening or not, right?

I know it seems like I'm splitting hairs, but some thing as vague as "threatening behavior" begs for definition. What is threatening to one person isn't necessarily threatening to another. If I feel threatened by a guy walking around the mall parking lot with an assault rifle, am I wrong? Is the person carrying the assault rifle wrong? What constitutes a threat for real. Isn't a threat in the eye of the threatened?

I'm above average on the intelligence scale, am a rifle owner, and have years and years of rifle and pistol training in a combat environment. In fact, my first job in the military was repairing and maintaining rifles, pisols, and aircraft weapons. I can guarantee that I know far more about weapon safety than the average Utahn, but the vagueness of this legislation confuses me.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: CHS 85 9:32 a.m. March 8, 2012
"I know it seems like I'm splitting hairs, but some thing as vague as "threatening behavior" begs for definition"

The legislators in Utah seem to believe, rightfully, that your average Utahn can identify "threatening behavior". Obviously the simple act of carrying a firearm doesn't meet that definition. Obviously we must look elsewhere for the clues you are asking about? Is the man carrying the gun minding his own business, or his pushing people out of his way and yelling threats at somebody?

Most of us don't think twice when we see a peace officer packing his Glock, and so why the unreasonable paranoid concern over a law abiding Utah citizen doing the same thing?

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