evangelicals must want obama back in office as their boy, santorum doesn't have
a chance. good luck to those that vote based on religion.
HE may have "raked in delegates", but he sure left a lot laying around
for others to rake up too. The over enthusiasm of the DN is comical. By
every measure, Romney under achieved yesterday. I still think he will win the
nomination, but he is leaving the door wide open for hard core conservatives to
not support him. The south, which usually tilts elections one way or another
has not gone will for him - and the mid west isn't supporting him either. He
will still win, but he will have a tough job keeping "conservatives"
motivated in the fall while not being able to angle to the middle to pick up the
re:ute alumngood comment
Utah Blue Devil,Your statement is over the top. Romney did
fabulously yesterday, especially in Ohio and Oklahoma where so many Democrats
crossed over, according to CNN polls. How telling that the media refuses to give
more than a mere mention to the amazing wins in 3 states where he won by far
more than 50% of the votes. The enthusiasm is downplayed or hidden and the media
pretends it is Romney's fault for not finding a way to win over the
anti-Mormons. People are finally waking up to the unprecedented media bias
against Romney. This is just reality, no spin.
This really isn't Mitt's problem - it's the RNC. If evangelicals want to sit on
their hands and sulk this fall if Romney is the nominee then let them do it -
but PLEASE no complaining about 4 more years of OBama from these people. I have
to second the motion to Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh who also hate Mitt. These
ultra-right conservatives have to float back to earth from OZ and understand
that Ronald Reagan has been dead for 15 years and there is no "purist"
conservative out there - certainly NOT Santorum or Gingrich. Perhaps
evangelicals prefer the 2 time adulterer Gingrich? Ann Colter makes a great
point about Mitt - she said Romney will govern VERY conservatively and she is
right on. Ann is one of the few far right pundants that has their head on
straight and understands the big picture.
So what this is really saying about evangelicals anti-Romney vote is that it is
not so much that they disagree with his policies, but his problem is that he is
a Mormon. What a sad indictment of the evangelical electorate. I guess they pick
and choose what parts of the Constitution they want to believe in.
My evangelical friends happen to like Mitt, and voted for him in the primary.
Let's hope there are more like them out there, who are acquainted with Mormons,
and even admire them. Mitt can win the nomination without the evangelicals, but
not the general election, so we hope those folks in Tennessee, Oklahoma, South
Carolina, etc. get it figured out before we go over the cliff.
Many evangelicals have demonized Mormons for so long that now they can't vote
for one. Even though Mormons share or exceed evangelical family and christian
values, and actually lead out in the fight for Proposition 8 that they all care
so much about, still they say they don't know what to expect from a Mormon. I
would say it is just this particular Mormon that they do not trust, but in
reality it is Mormonism So visit our websites. Attend our meetings. Get past
the detractors. You will like what we stand for.
@coleman51"What a sad indictment of the evangelical electorate. I
guess they pick and choose what parts of the Constitution they want to believe
in."Unfortunately, we LDS could say the same for ourselves.
Mitt Romney supports the Patriot Act, the NDAA, and presidents declaring war
instead of the Congress, as the Constitution requires. Where do you find in the
Constitution permission for the federal government to mandate insurance
coverage, which Mitt Romney advised should be a part of national health reform?
Where in the Constitution do you find authority for bank bailouts, assassination
of American citizens without a trial, or TSA pat-downs or body scans? Yet, whom
do we LDS overwhelmingly support? Mitt Romney. Before we look at the mote
Constitutional issues of the Evangelicals' preferred candidate, we should
examine the Constitutional beams in the eyes of our candidate of choice.
If you're going to let religion in the door, don't be surprised if it bites you.
It has no business in politics.
I don't think I would stick my neck into the political arena at all, even if I
had brains enough to do it. And if I had brains enough, I wouldn't do it in the
first place. Who needs mountains and heaps of second-guessing critics piling it
on day after day?I applaud anyone who has the guts and ambition and the
money to throw themselves willingly under the bus, because that's what politics
SammyB.. I am not sure where you get your media from, but here in North
Carolina the media hardly is anti-Romney". In fact they are decidedly por
Romney....not as over the top as is the DN, but absolutely pro Romney. In fact
I challenge you to find a " liberal " major media outlet that hasnt been
predicting Romney as the heir to the Republican nomination. Romney
does have an Evagelical issue.... But media problem.... Nope.
Typically, I believe that for someone to get elected president, there needs to
be a passion for electing that person, similar to what Obama enjoyed last
election. That passion to elect someone is what gets the fringe voters and
fence sitters out that would otherwise not vote.I doubt that the
majority of people will have that passion for electing Romney because of, among
other reasons, religion. If Romney wins the presidential election,
it will be because people have wised up to Obama and have a passion about
getting Obama out of office, in spite of their religious bias against Romney.
Evangelicals don't like Mitt but Mormons don't like anyone but Mitt. When
Romney's winning 80-90% of the LDS vote... that's the most one-sided winning of
any demographic by any candidate.
Mitt Romney2012I like trillionares.America
is soooo screwed up!!. All you Baptist Libertarian "PaulBots"
demanding to make pot legal and can't think on your own, just lead by your
"puppet-master" Ron Paul, better keep a eye on these Koch Brother's that
invented Libertarianism along with RINO GOP bureaucrats and politicians in
Washington DC reminds me of "Elite Showdogs" that is an invitation-only
e-mail list of long-time breeders, K Street and Wall Street exhibitors and
judges that are judicial activist's. These politicians in Washington DC wear a
GPS collar attachment to be found faster, so these K Street and Wall Street
exhibitors can walk them around using a chain in circles until their dizzy
enough to cave into them and give them what they want. NOW you Occupy Wall
Street in the ultimate disposable society in the Park shop for your favorite
brand of underwear here in the Park when they are discarded in the bushes
because you Occupy Your Pants full then sat in it when the cops came.
The main reason Romney is having problems with the Republican base is his past
history of being a liberal/moderate New England Republican. The base doesn't
believe Romney is a real conservative. I predict he will eventually win the
Republican nomination. However, he will lose to Obama in the Fall.
"My evangelical friends happen to like Mitt, and voted for him in the
primary. Let's hope there are more like them out there, who are acquainted with
Mormons, and even admire them."fowersjl,I'm sure
there are. The article mentions that some states had a large percentage of
evangelicals, such as Tennessee (with 76 percent), yet Santorum won by about 19
or 20 points. That means that certainly not all evangelicals are voting for
Santorum, and I'm sure a fair amount are voting for Romney. I believe in the
end their wisdom will get the better of their religious prejudice and they'll
vote Romney over Obama in the end.
"Evangelicals don't like Mitt but Mormons don't like anyone but Mitt. When
Romney's winning 80-90% of the LDS vote... that's the most one-sided winning of
any demographic by any candidate."atl134,You should
check the percentage of blacks who voted for Obama. You'd be amazed. The
difference is that knowing someone is Mormon gives you an idea what his values
and beliefs are. Knowing someone is black shouldn't make a difference unless
there's racism involved.
@Riverton Cougar"You should check the percentage of blacks who voted
for Obama. You'd be amazed."Yes but make sure you compare apples
to apples. For instance, Obama was pulling over 90% of blacks against a
Republican so it was mostly a Democrat/Republican thing (especially since Kerry
did almost as well among black voters). Romney's pulling 80-90% in a Republican
primary. So the comparison would be Obama's numbers in the primary against
Hillary(I'l consider Santorum + Gingrich + Paul to be one Hillary though we
should expect more vote splitting when there's 4 options instead of two) and
Obama was only getting 70-75% of black voters (he was getting lower percentages
earlier in the campaign). Okay that's still a large amount, but it's a better
comparison to Romney to use primarys result.
Bigotry is alive and well in the good ol' U.S. of A.
Talk about being between a rock and hard place for evangelicals. On one side,
you have a President who is woefully inept on the economic front and has
socialist ideas. On the other side, you have a successful businessman and
politician with a resume a mile long...but he's one of them Mormons. What to
do, what to do?
The question, not religion, is can he protect the Constitution from all enemies
foreign and domestic? Protect small government original intent with freedoms
against big government control and Machiavellian dependency. (The Prince, last
sentence in Chapter 4)It's MG's vs Triumph's. The old Triumph might be
faster but the MG had a better chance of finishing. At least that's what the MG
Club member said. Anything less will lose the race.This election is
an important battle, not the war. We must win the war.
When I think of Santorum making his speech in Steubenville, OH, I think of two
100-yard dash racers, one from Massachusetts and the other from Pennsylvania,
and the one from Pennsylvania owned the local newspaper. The racer from
Massachusetts won the race but the next morning the headline read, ÂThe
Massachusetts racer came in next to last.Â The statement was true but how
it was said was not how the one from Pennsylvania wanted the people who read the
newspaper to think. With the races so close, with only days in between, his
type of playing with words influences some people. These people who listen to
something in their head that they canÂt trust Romney donÂt know what
they really believe in. John McCain was wrong to say that Romney flip-flopped.
John McCain, a very distinguished POW and a basic good person who I admire for
his time in the POW camps misstated to make a point. Mitt Romney has made tens
of thousands decisions in his business, personal life, and political life as a
Governor. He has been true to his convictions.
As with any business, personal and political decision, sometimes people may
change their minds when they get more details or see the plan put into action.
People that donÂt change their mind in those matters are not leaders. Mitt
Romney is a leader. When people link religious sentiment with their political
feelings, their emotional basis overbalances their common senses. Emotions
overrule knowledge and good judgment. People in that way listen to the media,
written and video to the partial truths that make headlines. Religious people
in the United States believe in the golden rule but with biased publishing and
religious type discussions and years of beliefs passed down through generations,
MittÂs religion is a factor and will be a factor with some conservatives,
whether evangelicals, Tea Party or the religious right. People say he
isnÂt on their level but actually those people are so biased against
MittÂs religion, they have forgot their real religious beliefs.
I agree that there is a strong anti-Mormon bias with many voters. They're just
scared of their beliefs being opposed on the non-believers such as with the
recent Utah bill regarding sex education. It's uncomforting to some.I doubt much of any LDS beliefs will get into his politics any different than
Santorum or any other politician with a strong religious conviction. I wonder, if things we're turned around, how the different Christian
denominations would consider an Atheist candidate? I'm sure there would be a
strong bias there too.
I want to thank you for finally getting in print what has been so obvious to me.
I served an LDS mission in South Carolina and have earned degrees from U of U in
Political Science and English and an MPA from BYU (the Romney Institute maybe
this makes me biased). I have been watching this since the first caucus in Iowa.
It was most prevalent in South Carolina. I get very tired of the national
pundits blaming it on other aspects. You hit the main draw for Santorum since
the Evangelical coalition decided to put their support behind him rather than
Gingrich. He was not placing until that happened. One other point that the
national media are attacking Romney on , that others have also is his wealth,
yet someone needs to show the wealth of past presidents, Washington was the
wealthiest president (adjusted for inflation) being worth about half a billion
dollars, and the democrats FDR was equal or greater than Romney. Anyway
thanks and well done
I have to second the opinion of PHealeyMy husband served a mission
in Missouri and he said that there were so many people who looked at him with a
mix of mistrust and sympathy the second they found out he was Mormon. He said many of the local pastors invite guest speakers every year to their
congregations to talk about "The Mormons" and why they are a cult. It
makes me sad. :(If more media outlets would print stories like these
maybe we could all have an open discussions on exactly what is playing out in
this election. We could drop terms like conservative and VERY conservative and
call it for what it is.
Romney wants to increase defense spending so I don't think he worries much about
our debt; a few tweaks here and there and the budget is healed. Once
unemployment gets to 5 percent our debt problems are over (a growing economy can
heal a lot). The future looks bright no matter who wins the House that is
White. Second terms are usually lame duck disasters (our country deserves
better than that.) No matter who wins, health care reform is here to stay
(and yes Mr. Obama does care) , the Supreme Court will uphold Obamacare (they
won't reverse the 2008 election) prior to November-- (maybe by June) so that
won't even be an issue at the ballot box.
It's time to start calling the evangelicals on their bluff. this isn't about
being the most socially conservative. Idaho is one of the most socially
conservative states in the country, and it has no problem with Romney--because
they're not biased against mormons. It's time to start asking
evangelicals if they actually believe in religious freedom in America.
"raybiesLayton, UTIdaho is one of the most socially
conservative states in the country, and it has no problem with Romney--because
they're not biased against mormons."Idaho has a large Mormon
@LValfre27% of Idaho's population is LDS. However, Romney got 61%
of the vote there. I'm sure the Mormons helped, but it wasn't all their
doing.And in conservative Wyoming, he got 53% of the vote. Not too
bad for a 'Massachusetts Moderate' I suppose. What is really
interesting is that one of Mitt Romney's supporters in 2008 was none other than
Rick Santorum. He endorsed Romney and said he felt he was a conservative. But
most people don't bother finding out about their candidates or they would know
that. If Santorum's conservative supporters (the one's who won't vote for
Romney because he's not conservative enough) did a little more research, they
would also find that Santorum endorsed Arlen Specter over the more conservative
candidate in a Pennsylvania Senate race in 2004. Santorum is a slippery
politician and an opportunist.
Let's be really really careful playing this numbers game. If Evangelicals
largely not voting for Romney makes them bigots, was does that make my fellow
Mormons who will not vote for Obama. This playing the victim card is
unatractive no matter who is making the claims. And to the chap whi
said he served a mission in South Carolina.... There are lots of place not even
in the south where missionaries are not greeted with open arms. We are out the
trying to convert the members of their congregations away from them". What
do you think the response from the church would be if people from outside the
community showed up our members doors trying to pull our membership away.. It
was much the same in Quebec, an area that had next to no Evangelicals.It is the fear of the unknown. People don't know much about Mormons, and
therefor mistrust us. I have found that once they get to know us, those walls
come tumbling down. Romney's issues is his public persona keeps changing, and
people don't know who the real Romney is.
I live in TN. When I heard on the radio here how it was evangelicals that voted
for Santorum, based on that his religion was the same as their religion. That
means Obama will win, because they are using the same religious bigotry as those
who attend Jeremiah Wright's church preaching anti-Aamerican slang. It also is
a falty reason, as if Santorum's religious views are the same as the
evangelicals, then they would all be Catholic. That is if they are being
consistant with their reasons.
One thing some of the Primaries have shown is that Catholics and women support
Romney. Romney isn't increasing the military in actuality as Obama
is cutting it by 1 trillion dollars in a time when the U.S. needs more defense.
Russia, China, Iran, North Korean, etc are not decreasing besides the
Afghanistan area is still in progress. The United States has to protect our
freedoms through Defense.
When Romney gets this nomination and people refuse to vote for him because he
believes in a different version of the Godhead, don't come complaining to me how
you didn't do anything to stop Obama from winning a second term.
Hence my point, many being mormon or living with mormons, they have no
predisposition against mormonism. Further Mormons have just as much right to
participate in the political process as anyone else. If you believe otherwise,
you don't believe in religious freedom in America. Idaho is
extremely socially conservative, as is Utah (heck, checkout the latest sex ed
law stuff) yet they are completely committed to Romney (the margins are dramatic
in his favor). Social conservatives in Idaho don't fear Romney because they
believe he'll represent them better than any of the other candidates.
Idaho's Mormon population is about 25%. The other 75% don't particularly like
"Mormons" - in fact lots of them, e.g., Evangelicals, despise
"Mormons", and for Romney to garner over 60% of the Idaho vote was very
As a Utahn, I'm shocked--shocked!--that people in Tennessee vote based on
re:tyndale1Evangelicals in the South are far far different that
those in the Northwest or Northeast. Remember - there is still a great deal of
racism in the South being that last in the country to abandon slavery. Speaking
from experience, many of these Southern folks wear blinders in most parts of
their lives and voting for a hated Mormon is like forcing them to swallow nails.
Why does Glenn Beck fail to talk about this truth on HIS SHOWS, about HIS Mormon
Brother Mitt Romney, whereas "birds of this feather flock together",
when he says "ANYONE BUT OBAMA". Still unanswered questions if Mitt
wants our votes, he'll answer them, not ignore them. Let's just ban the Koch
Brother's Ethanol 15 and the 54 ethanol manufacturers, K Street and Wall Street
Corporate sneakiness, outright-scams and con-games, more corruption and crony
capitalism in Congress, crooked offshore tax safe havens in secret bank
accounts that they invested in up-market homes and hotels, loopholes that allow
qualifying Institutions to still serve as conduits for Tax Evasion, more
congressional hearing's if any on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae that caused the
mortgage meltdown and toss the crooks in prison, this is how to lower the $7 a
gal gas prices. It's time to play hardball. All you Baptist Libertarian
"PaulBots" demanding to make pot legal through your ultimate disposable
society that can't think on your own, just lead by your "puppet-master"
Ron Paul, better keep a eye on these Koch Brother's that invented Libertarianism
along with RINO GOP bureaucrats and politicians in Washington DC.
Perhaps "dogged" is not the appropriate word to use when discussing Mitt
I get a little angry when someone has the temerity to declare that I am not a
christian because my concept of Christ is different than their's. To testify of
Christ is prophesy according to John. I would never deny anyone of that
testimony regardless of what or who they believed Christ was.Mitt and one
of his sons visited the home of a friend and her family faithfully every month
as a home teacher. He did so regardless of the other demands he had upon his
time outside of the church. You shall know them by their fruits, we are told.
A social conservative is not necessarily a fiscal conservative. Newt and
Rick are only half of what we need.
re:Brother Chuck SchroederHey good Brother Chuck, Spend
some time investigating Obama's BIG BILLIONAIRE donors such as GEORGE SOROS for
starters. You want to talk about CORRUPTION and ANTI-AMERICAN + ANTI-CAPITALISM
...Mr. Soros embodies ALL of these yet his tight connection and contributions to
the Obama camp go largely unreported by the Obama lap dog media.
With a President who went to Harvard law school and was on their law review, he
learned law to know how to get around the normal law processes of the last 200
years established by the founding fathers and system of the executive,
legislative and Supreme Court. He appointed his own Czars subverting the normal
processes of the legislative review. He also knows how to circumvent some or a
lot of the executive decisions and even portions of the laws from Congress and
signed by the former Presidents. We do not want or need to have a complete
changeover of our freedoms that it took almost a thousand years to gain from the
time of the Magna Charta and the religious freedoms sought by our founding
Pilgrims and others. In 3 years, we have a lot that has changed. The financial
problems we appear to have are very minor compared to what has been done to our
freedoms while we were spending all our time and momentum on the financial
issues. How many laws/policies have been modified that we donÂt know about
with the unofficial policy makers making policies that arenÂt published in
the Federal Register with public notices.
Mr. Romney also attended Harvard Law school (as well as MBA school); yet he has
recovered. I understand at Harvard MBA graduation ceremony in the 1970's and
1980's, the dollar bill was held up and they were told to "go and chase
I find it hard to fathom hearing a Romney fan in Utah complaing about
"religious preference" in the voting booth. Never heard of the like here
" You want to talk about CORRUPTION and ANTI-AMERICAN + ANTI-CAPITALISM
...Mr. Soros embodies ALL of these yet his tight connection and contributions to
the Obama camp go largely unreported by the Obama lap dog media."This just made me giggle. One of the most successful capitalist, is
anti-capitalism. This list of "billionaire" contributors for
each of the candidates is long and deep. It is one of the things most of these
gents, including Obama, have in common. But boy do those little tag
lines sound spiffy when Boortz, Hannity, Limbaugh or Beck spew them. Probably
the reason no one covers this topic is because it is a non-story for those who
live in the real world where every candidate has their supports, some the
champions of democracy, but mostly champions of cuases that impact their own
To really seal the election, Mitt just needs to choose someone as his running
mate(VP) that the Evangelicals won't refuse to vote for.
There is one term for this and one term only--anti-Mormon bigotry. These people
have been told so many lies by their pastors for so long that they believe it
all. It's tragic...