"The large disparity between federal owned land in the east and the
west". The east is green and the west is mostly arid, Duh! My guess is at
statehood these were the lands deemed useless and folks could not have cared
less what happened to them. I have heard that in reporting back to Brigham
Young a scout sent to assess the suitability of the Uintah Basin found that it's
only redeeming quality was in "holding the world together".
The only people pushing for this are DEVELOPERS.If it's not endless
housing tracks, urban sprawl or tackless Billboards, it's Nuclear waste
dumps.I'm glad the Feds are protecting us from our own selfish,
greedy businessmen and developers!
is utah a sovereign. i thought a country is. or are they going to try a
confederacy. oh wait we did that in this country and a republican put a stop to
it and the federal goverment grew and the united state goverment says the same.
they are different things by the way. one you vote for the other is appointed
without voter control. it wasnt over slavery as much as rights. but the
president was smart and proclaimed freedom and got the right kind of people to
fight for him with ideals and morals and the north started winning. remeber the
north was industry and railroads and the south was most agriculture. most
southern people were poor and did not own slaves. they fought for the states.
the rich north industry got what they wanted control of more of the money. as
now the republicans are for the rich but now fight for states rights so more
money can be made.
@ute alumniSo what differentiates what they can take by eminent
domain and what they can't? Is the governor going to march into the federal
building in downtown Salt Lake and demand it be given to the state of Utah so it
can be sold. After all, a commercial business would generate more money for the
state it's use as a government office building. What about the federal
courthouse, the IRS building in Ogden? Surely that land is more valuable than
just government offices. Why is it that only DoD facilities are
exempt from this grandstanding? Why not carve up Hill AFB and let private
tax-paying companies use the land to generate income?
Happy Valley Heretic,Let me help you with a big concept. Let's just use
70% and not size. You might try reading the article and understand it is about
the percentage of the state ownership, not the state size. The feds already cut
the original size of the state by more than a half. For those of you that want
to be directed from the feds, good luck to your nanny state. There are a lot of
us that are fed up with them running everything and that they continue to
overstep there authority.
After 116 years, it is time for the federal government to keep its promise. I
trust Utahns to make the best decisions for the Utah lands they rely on for
their sustainable economic viability, funding education, recreation, hunting,
and tourism dollars.Money spent in defense of rights is money well
More millions wasted.
to ute alumni:and Rhode Island is so small and Texas so big it's just not
fair is it?Perhaps you could draw up new borders that would make all the
states equal size, huh?We are not Europe, We are the United States of
America, United being the key word here.I believe the Utah legislature and
local authorities would make short use of our (America's) inheritance.They
prove it every year with their nonsensical bills.
I think the issue is who is the sovereign. The state is the sovereign and the
Federal Government is the private property holder. I would think that with a
compelling state interest for public use - funding public education - the state
could use the ratios of Kelo, Hawaiian Housing Authority, Midkiff and Berman to
show that (1) state legislatures should be granted a high degree of deference in
making decisions of what constitutes public use including potentially higher tax
reveues, and (2) there is nothing unconstitutional about using eminent domain to
transfer property to another private property holder. With the
issue properly framed, I would think the state could win this argument, in
theory. In reality, though, I would not expect the federal government to be
treated as a private citizen.
So, if it has little chance of working, why is our State Gov throwing away 3
million dollars? Seems that could be used to actually do some good in our
state! Another example of poor leadership in our State Gov.
for those that think the feds should own 70% of utah i ask why? It is only in
the west that the percentage is so high. it is all about power. glad there are
so many that are willing to beg from the feds. I for one don't want to beg and
am in favor of getting it back in the people's hands.
If we weren't so hard up financially, this would make more sense than it does.
We could afford all the money this would cost to make a statement. Come on
lawmakers, there is so much we can't afford, that we ought to be spending money
on.When I went to university years ago, I lived at home but could
afford during 1 summers work to pay tuition and books for that year. In order to
save the state money, tuition was raised and this is no longer possible.Before we do silly things such as this 'sage brush rebellion', shouldn't
we restore funding to higher education? Restore the retirement benefits we have
taken from state workers? (no I am not a state worker nor is any if my immediate
or extended family).When there are so many important things we could
fund but aren't, why are we talking about funding this?
This is a fools errand. Even when Reagan, Bush I and Bush II were in office, the
transfer of land did not happen. It will not happen now. Why would the federal
government give the land to the state of Utah? And for 5%, Utah will turn these
lands over to private interests, to be lost forever for the public good? Talk
about selling your birthright for a bowl of pottage. These lands get sold off,
and those who enjoy using those lands for hiking, hunting, fishing, camping,
etc. will see many "no trespassing" signs like we see all over the East.
And Utah will find it to be a financial burden, having to manage those lands
which are not sold off and losing payments in lieu of taxes that are now
received by the state. Folks, the underlying motivation for this is two things:
1. An irrational obsession about the federal government, and 2. special
interests who want to exploit those lands for their own financial gain. The
losers: The people of Utah. Don't fall for this nonsense and lose the quality
of life that Utah has and most states outside the West do not and cannot have.
These public lands are a big part of what makes Utah special.
Can someone please show me where this "promise to sell federal lands" is
located. Because according to the Utah State Constitution, Section 3:"The people inhabiting this State do affirm and declare that they forever
disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within the
boundaries hereof, and to all lands lying within said limits owned or held by
any Indian or Indian tribes, and that until the title thereto shall have been
extinguished by the United States, the same shall be and remain subject to the
disposition of the United States, and said Indian lands shall remain under the
absolute jurisdiction and control of the Congress of the United States."
Utah's environmental motto: "Multiply, multiply and pillage the
earth."Land is worth nothing if it's pumping dollars into
somebody's pocket. Unfortunately, it won't be a common working person's pocket.
Bravo!This is not unprecedented, nor more risky than what other bold
leaders have done in the past, such as on July 4, 1776."When in
the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the
political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the
powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature
and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind
requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the
separation.We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."