It's not the police who determine to make a charge and arrest it's the DA. It is
the courts. They didn't have enough evidence where the DA's office felt an
arrest and charge could be won. Really not a poor excuse. They don't have a
body. They don't have a witness. You only get one try to convict.
The system isn't perfect, no system ever is. And most instances like this are
just about impossible to completely prevent. You feel for the
family, and understand their frustration and anger. But if they're going to try
and place blame, they aren't looking in all the right places. I'm
sure this makes me sound un-American, but a big portion of the blame needs to go
to the police department. When they all come on after the tragedy saying
"We believe Josh killed Susan," that should infuriate the Powell's.
Yet they only seem to want to blame the court system. You know he's guilty, do
your job and he'd have been in jail a year ago. Unable to commit these murders.
Every job has "red-tape" to sort through, that's a poor excuse. Do
what you need to do to get this guy off the street, especially since you all
seem to know he's guilty.
One of the big things that I saw in this that wasn't done and should have is to
have the visitations in a public place with supervivision while the pending
tests were being done.That would have eliminated this scenario.Second final
custody should not be decided til the case that was pending is over ( any
charges against Josh).Anytime when there is a murder charge pending
against a parent the children should go to protective services til the
conclusion of the trial.A place where contact cannot be made. I know it would be
tough on the grandparents but in this case where one of the grandparents is in
custody for kiddy porn it's in the best interest of the kids not to be exposed
to any of it.
There was plenty of information to indicate that Josh Powell was a danger to his
children. The supervised visits should have been made in a public place, such
as a CPS office, or YMCA where there others around to keep the children safe.
Josh Powell was not a unique case. Everyday women and children are
killed by a father/spouse/partner who is angry that the partner is leaving him
and taking the children. Judges also need to be educated on the
risks involved when they make custody and visitation decisions. They also need
to have full access to all the information available about the family dynamics
and potential for violence.
I agree with a law that would protect the children of parents that are of
interest in a spouse death or when they go missing. Drew Peterson had it in him
to kill two wives, his children are lucky to be alive, cause he was as deranged
as Josh Powell was. Even if a child's life is not at risk, their mental well
I agree 100% with three11stu. As long as Josh Powell was out roaming around
there was nothing that could have protected those boys from him. If he was
going to die he was going to make sure that they died with him no matter how
many people he killed in the process. He was a planner just waiting for the
right situation. I believe that is how his killed Susan as well. I
honestly believe that he dug a grave months ahead of time and was just waiting
for a big snow storm to come because he knew that no one would be out where he
was at in the middle of a blizzard and the snow/wind was going to cover any
evidence of where he had been. That is why he left at midnight on a Sunday
because the storm was the type of storm that he had been waiting for. I'm so sorry for the Coxes and all the pain that Josh has caused them and
their family. I agree that if there is any way to learn some lessons from this
we should do so, so that another family doesn't have to deal with the heartache
that they have had to go through, but I'm not sure what that would be. I don't blame the police in WV either. They only had one shot to get it
right. In hindsight it is easy to say they should have done this or should have
done that, but they were doing everything that they could to try and find Susan
so that they could get a conviction. Josh was able to work the system here, but
I believe that he will get his just reward with God.
I do think if he didn't have supervised visitation the Cox's may not be here
either. If the kids were put in foster care in a neutral home those in those in
the foster family would have been in danger. If they met at a mall again like
before he secured the rental, I shudder to think the number of dead or injured.
I'm surprised and relieved he locked out the social worker.
@K: You mock, but that is exactly the type of thing the Cox's are looking to do.
They are attempting to blame others besides Powell for what he did. As you say,
you can't prevent every tragedy. This was non preventable. In the article, it
says they wish that the visit happened at a supervised center. Had that been
the case, there would have been a lot more people besides Powell and his kids
that were killed. Is the system perfect? No. Just the same as every
single agency out there isn't perfect. Nothing in this world is. But I would
rather have the error favor the parents than the government any day.
I feel sorry for anyone in the "system," particularly the kids. My
experience with it, (not in UT) not in a personal situation, but through an
acquaintance was infuriating. I've heard CWS workers--the social workers--don't
get paid very much. I don't know if that is part of the problem, but I've seen
incompetence on the part of court-appointed attorneys and inadequate "due
diligence" and supervision from social workers. Kids that experience
dysfunctional, unstable and abusive situations can then end up damaged adults
who have trouble navigating their way through life. I don't know
what the answer is.
Lots of people call DCFS. You would want your children taken into foster care
cause a neighbor ticked at you called them and said your kids were not properly
dressed for winter in a coat? The damage of removing kids is a cause of
attachment disorder. There was no evidence that he was going to do
mortal harm to them or himself. Maybe if those getting bizarre emails from him
called sooner? Families have a right to stay together unless someone can show
reason. They couldn't pin the murder on him or that a murder took place. And due
process is required. After all allegations were made against the Cox family as
well. Remove every child where someone calls on them for 6 months give them no
contact? Cruel to do to kids. Would you have wanted the boys moved again not to
see the grandparents again for 6 months? They did the report and removal wasn't
necessary. Where would all these kids go? You can't prevent every
tragedy. I think the biggest way to have protected everyone of this
whole thing would have been to remove Josh and his siblings away from their dad.
Here is an idea: Any time that any case gets referred to CPS, whether true or
not, the state will mandatory remove those children, and place them in foster
care (where the foster parents have to take classes to make sure they are good
parents). After the children get removed, there is a 6 month probationary time
where the parents ARE NOT allowed any type of visitation, just in case they
might go off and do something like Josh Powell did. During this probationary
time, the parents need to prove to the state that they are not bad parents, but
that they are good parents. The state should not be required to prove anything,
as they are only thinking in the best interest of the children. Then, after
their 6 months is up, supervised visitation at the DCFS office will occur for
another 6 months until everybody is 100 percent sure that nothing bad will
happen to the children.For those where maybe there is a false allegation,
or the allegation is blown out of proportion, sorry, but we want to be totally
sure that you are not a crazy sicko that will act like Josh Powell did.
Their hearts are in the right direction but the regulations that the cox and
others are seeking are going to make it harder to good people to see their kids.
It is going to put more power in the hands of the government and state. Josh was unique in how he acted. He decided to do what he did and
really there is nothing anyone could've done to prevent it.