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Published: Sunday, Feb. 19 2012 12:37 a.m. MST

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DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Just like every year for the past 5, 10, 20 or however many years, the "big education" establishment is already whining about needing "more money."

They just do not get it. Money is not printed and spent when we don't have it, at least not, thankfully, in Utah. Maybe the teachers union bosses in Washington DC can believe spending happens that way everywhere, but not here.

Educators need to quit their perpetual whining, and get busy cutting the waste out of their system, and cut any non-productive teachers, and eliminate about 50% of all the "staff" positions. Then there will be plenty to cover actual teaching costs.

The Legislature should be looking for ways to CUT taxes in Utah, and CUT spending, not constantly seek more.

It's the taxpayers' money, not the state's! Don't be so greedy taking it from people who earned it by their hard work and are seeking to house, clothe, feed and educate their own families.

metisophia
Ogden, UT

It is indeed the taxpayers' money, and the taxpayers have continuously supported more funding for their public schools (see numerous polls.) Education dollars are an investment. The state constitution mandates that public schools be supported. Stephenson wants public schools ended. Period. He wants his friends to be able to skim education dollars from the classroom to go directly into their own pockets.

Another article in the paper today reports on the difficulties that many boys are having in school. I would suggest that putting boys who need to move around and learn by doing into classes with so many students that only quiet behavior can be tolerated is part of that problem and the responsibility for it rests squarely on the shoulders of our public-education-hating legislature.

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

DN subscriber. You keep bringing up this non existent teachers union. Would like some more info on where I can find out more about it and all the problems it is responsible for.

Ok
Salt Lake City, Utah

Those involved in education just love to dance M&M around the legislature. More money, More money. It gets very old. We spend far too much on education as it is. The teachers want us to think that sending more money their way is an investment in our children. It is not, it is only an investment in the educator's who constantly dance to the M&M music.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Our more sophisticated sister state on the left coast has an out-of-control and ever growing mountain of debt to the tune of $40B ($40,000 million) dollars. Instead of investing money in their children's educations the taxpayers in California have to pay BILLIONS of dollars in interest on their ever increasing debt.

I think I like Utah's way better.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

NeilT wants to kinow about the teachers union:
Check out the Utah Education Association and the National Education Association.

They may claim to be something other than "unions" but that is actually what they are.

And, many teachers resent being forced to support them but fear retribution if they do not. Look at how the funding for the UEA dropped once "paycheck protection" ended the involuntary deductions from teachers' pay to fund the UEA.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@DN Subscriber

You say that 50% of the "staff" positions need to be eliminated.

Can you be more specific?

The daily rhetoric of CUT, CUT, CUT with nothing specific is getting old. My spouse's school (in Jordan School District) has a shoestring staff already. Are you ready to volunteer to pick up the slack?

Inquiring minds truly want to know what you want cut.

Oh, and no one is forced to join the JEA, UEA, NEA.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: CHS 85 | 12:11 p.m. Feb. 19, 2012
"You say that 50% of the "staff" positions need to be eliminated. Can you be more specific?"

For starters we could slash the number of administrators and hire a few elementary school children to fill out all the federal NCLB phony baloney paperwork.

JustAnotherAverageGuy
Holladay, UT

@CHS85 - don't waste your time confusing rifleman and DNSubscriber with details like how Utah school districts are routinely recognized for being among the lowest in per pupil admin costs in the nation, or how we no longer have programs like district-funded elementary school music (a proven, lifelong-actually, benefit to cognitive development).

They'd rather spew unfounded rhetoric and watch the Utah economy spin down the drain when we can no longer attract business into our state because our public school graduates won't be able to qualify for the jobs. What they probably don't realize is that it is the up-and-coming generation of public school students who will be funding their social security, paying the premiums on their medicare, and sitting in the Legislature cutting state programs and dumping money back into education where it belongs in the first place.

JustAnotherAverageGuy
Holladay, UT

@rifleman: you'd be surprised how many district administrators would love nothing more than to stop completing those phony baloney NCLB reports and start doing some REAL work. NCLB is a complete waste of time and money. But the Feds require it, so if you want to complain about fat in the school districts, at least direct your attention to the correct source.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: JustAnotherAverageGuy | 8:57 p.m. Feb. 19, 2012
"NCLB is a complete waste of time and money. But the Feds require it"

In my comment I never suggested that we drop the NCLB program. I merely suggested that we hire a few elementary school children to fill out the phony baloney paperwork.

ouisc
Farmington, UT

I must admit, I admire the way the Davis School District has handled recent budget cuts. They've made some painful decisions, but they never sacrificed the students. It sounds like other school districts may have survived the recent pinch.

Education in Utah is rarely in the "black," so cutting costs is extremely difficult. We are succeeding because of our teachers, not because we are offerring a multitude of opportunities for our teachers and students.

I applaud moving forward with our very mild increases over last year's very tight education budget. It's time to extend a thank you to our teachers, for everything they do with so little.

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