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Published: Monday, Feb. 13 2012 6:05 p.m. MST

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Bluto
Sandy, UT

@Honor Code

You still have BYU on your mind? Always looking over your shoulder at all things BYU?
That BYU shadow still haunts you eh?

Move on HC, let it go. Just try to beat Colorado, in fact, try to beat anyone in any sport in the Pac 10 or elsewhere.

As for a new Conference name....

Thompson's Blunders or BYU's Revenge.

Oh yea, Independence and ESPN looks pretty good.

COUGARNATE
Lyman, WY

@honor code, talk about trying to sugar coat something. There is no way this will work. These two conferences are a joke. Tulsa and Air Force are going to be the best teams in this league. I thought the old 16 team WAC was bad.

So. Cal Reader
San Diego, CA

RE: Nikon Guy- My friend, you point the "finger of blame" towards many-- BCS, Pac 12, BYU, Utah, etc. However, how can you not include as the main reason for the MWC's sorry demise and thus the apparent need to merge w/ Conf. USA than squarely w/ Craig Thompson? He is the main person who has brought downt he MWC to this level. If he had done a better visionary job of directing & leading the MWC, you wouldn't have had Utah, BYU or TCU leave the conference.

giantfan
Farmington, UT

Nikon Guy,

Your comment drips of jealousy and an apparent axe to grind. BYU did not seek out the Big East or else they would've joined. If BYU is so desperate to be in a football conference, they would be in one already. And BYU did not go independent chasing money. It's about exposure and that has been stated multiple times by the administration. BYU enjoyed tremendous exposure last year, and it was the exposure issue--not money--that stalled negotiations to join the Big East.

One more thing, if BYU had decided to join the Big East, it would NOT be a coast-to-coast conference since San Diego State would've been left out. So BYU did not almost "join a coast to coast league", as you put it.

MJB
Tooele, UT

They will be doomed from the start if they let Thompson remain as a commisioner. He is the only reason that all the other teams saw the need to bolt the MWC.

Whoa Nellie
American Fork, UT

The weakness of the MWC (in football) because of the departure of the four best football programs is not caused by those departures; it is caused by the remaining schools. Those of you wishing to blame Utah, or BYU, or TCU need to explain why the remaining schools have failed to fill the void.

Nikon Guy
Henderson, NV

@giantfan

I'm not jealous of anything. I'm just making an opinion and observation. All I know is UNLV could beat any school in Utah as eveident in our resume. We might not have the best football program but our basketball sure is better that any college basketball team in Utah.

It would've been coast to coast. East coast to the gulf coast (texas schools) if you we're going to be techincal

Nikon Guy
Henderson, NV

Actually I do blame Criag Thompson...just forgot to mention it. :)

You have to at least credit Thompson for doing what at the time is and still very visionary, which was creating a network around a conference. It was a pioneer move. It was the MWC that started the trend of starting a TV network. To this day the Big 10 gets credit for starting the first college conference network even though it was the MWC that had the first one. It didn't work because the MWC isn't considered major enough to bring in serious cash.

No one ever knew that getting away from ESPN would have such bad consequences for exposure. Thompson and the MWC took a gamble. As we now see it didn't pay off. So, in a sense Thompson was visionary except that vison just didn't work out that well.

giantfan
Farmington, UT

Nikon Guy said,

"All I know is UNLV could beat any school in Utah as eveident in our resume. We might not have the best football program but our basketball sure is better that any college basketball team in Utah."

The fact that you decided you needed to bring that up, that UNLV might have a decent basketball team, on an article that has to do with how football has changed the landscape of collegiate athletic conferences, only proves your jealousy. And even though what you say MIGHT be true, FACT (not opinon) of the matter is BYU has beat UNLV the last two times they've met in basketball-in Provo and in Vegas. Convincingly so both times.

Nikon Guy
Henderson, NV

giantfan

Don't get me wrong here. I'm a BYU fan but since I live in Nevada I'm UNLV fan first. I was merely pointing to the fact that UNLV is a better postion than BYU right now in basketball. 5th best conference compared to 11th best...solid tournamnet team vs soft bubble...come on now. Just trying to rub that in for giggles...

So. Cal Reader
San Diego, CA

RE: Nikon Guy- "You have to at least credit Thompson for doing what at the time is and still very visionary, which was creating a network around a conference. It was a pioneer move." Huh? The move made NO sense at the time the network was announced. Making a network around a "mid-major" network that didn't have sufficient $$$ nor exposure, even within the conference media markets itself.

"It didn't work because the MWC isn't considered major enough to bring in serious cash." Bingo! Thus, why make the move?

"No one ever knew that getting away from ESPN would have such bad consequences for exposure." Oh, contraire! Moving away from the largest sports network in the country, they didn't know getting away from such exposure would have bad consequences? And the MWC Network was going to provide more exposure? As an example, one of two cable companies in San Diego didn't even offer the MWC in their coverage. Having ESPN coverage of those Thurs night football games, and late night basketball games was much better than what the MWC Network has ever provided.

"Thompson and the MWC took a gamble." Yes they did, but a gamble that made no sense at that time & doesnât make sense now. And once this move was a colossal failure, what did Thompson do to correct it? That's right, nothing ⦠other than drive other well-established schools/programs from the conference.

man of few words
Salt Lake City, UT

Will the Mountain West at least be able to shed their awful TV contract by doing this?

CougarBlue
Heber City, UT

How about these names:

American Time Zone Conference

Nationwide Conference

Zip Code Conference

Pacific to Atlantic Conference

See the USA Conference

Frequent Flyer Conference

What a laugh Conference

CougarBlue
Heber City, UT

Honor Code, you comments showed that you have not closely listened to what has happened and the reasons why BYU backed out of the BIG EAST. It was called ABC Television trying to bring BYU back into the limited TV fold. Pay attention when you comment.

No Conference Will Take Us
SEATTLE, WA

Finally we have a chance to join a BCS conference. Nobody else will take BYU. This looks like a grand set up and we would do very well to pad our cupcake legacy being part of such a fine conference.

So. Cal Reader
San Diego, CA

RE: Nikon Guy "I was merely pointing to the fact that UNLV is a better position than BYU right now in basketball. 5th best conference compared to 11th best...solid tournament team vs soft bubble...come on now." So, that's what the "new" MWC comes down to, a "basketball conference"? Where's the money in that? Good solid football programs are what make good, solid conferences. I was going to start the football comparison between UNLV and BYU, Utah, TCU, etc., but then I wondered, "Why bother"! Although such a comparison elicited some slight giggles amongst myself.

LVIS
Salt Lake City, UT

Nikon Guy
Henderson, NV - "BYU was just looking out for BYU and cared about no other school."

Unlike Utah, which did? Or TCU? Or Boise St? Or....? Just who was BYU supposed to be looking out for? Did Utah give a seconds though to the other schools in the conference?

Listen, Camera Man, everyone--you, me, institutions, all do what is in their best interest. Let us know when you quit looking out for yourself. I'm sure someone else will step in to do it for you.

Nikon Guy
Henderson, NV

Seriously. Everyone gets all worked up about stuff that's beyond their control when it comes down to it. Just relax. It's just football and sports. I just wanted to express my feelings and what I thought and I get blasted. I thought this was free country. There's no need to get all worked up or defensive. There's no need to become like a fanatic soccer fan or a Raiders vs. 49er fan...sheesh. Sorry I spoke my mind.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

No wonder Holmoe & company have been quiet about conference expansion opportunities.
This is what they have been waiting for! This band of buddies will be so desperate for a BCS bid they will let BYU keep their TV contract!

SLC BYU Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

What will get interesting to watch is how serious this new league is about Utah State, and if the Aggies are successfully invited and included, will that be enough to politically blackmail BYU into the league. Craig Thompson tied this to hold BYU in the MWC back in August of 2010 and nearly succeeded.

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