@Counter Intelligence - Re: Lib Living on Planet Zion "Please put down the Breitbart, National Enquirer and all things Drudge
prior to commenting and lecturing the college educated demographic on the topic
of "fake news"."Re: "Ironically, it is that kind of
pious patronizing condescension that got Trump elected".Facts
state otherwise! Actually the non college educated demographic won the electoral
college for Trump. The popular vote on the other hand!
@Lib Living on Planet Zion "Please put down the Breitbart, National
Enquirer and all things Drudge prior to commenting and lecturing the college
educated demographic on the topic of "fake news"."Ironically, it is that kind of pious patronizing condescension that got Trump
Why is the president fair game for criticism but are judges and the media are
not?Seems to me, the press and judges need as much healthy suspicion
as the president.
Attention extremist, obstructionist, anti-equality, self-proclaimed
"patriots". Those which willingly choose to remain living under the
bubble. Please put down the Breitbart, National Enquirer and all things Drudge
prior to commenting and lecturing the college educated demographic on the topic
of "fake news". Not surprising to those of us which follow
legitimate/reputable media sources, again no members of the "alternate
facts" faction are aware (and willing to admit) specifically what the media
throughout the world is stating regarding Trump's absolutely embarrassing
display of a "press conference". Imagine if that was your boss or a
family member rambling on with misinformation/lies while accepting zero
responsibility whatsoever! Even worse. Imagine what the alt-right would be
putting forth if that was President Obama. You most certainly wouldn't be
praising him. As you all do regarding your supreme leader regardless of the
impending consequences. Will impeachment proceedings begin before or after
What I find interesting is there are those who now praise Trump unwaveringly and
yet don't see the irony of their comments. For example, one poster here
loved to call out how many vacations the Obama family took, and Obama's
love of golf, as a sign of arrogance and disrespect for the publics funds. A conservative watch dog group estimated in a published report that
Obama's trumps cost the US taxpayers about 97 million dollars over 8 years
in office. The same group has now come out and said that these first three
weeks... not 8 years.... Trump has cost the US taxpayer about 10 million dollars
in his three weekend trips to Florida and security for his wife in New York.
And yet, there is now silence from this same people, because
evidently weekend trips to Florida are ok, playing golf on the weekends now is
ok. And that the real problem is that we have "fake news".
Obama's trips weren't fake news...... but Trump spending 10 million in
3 weeks is fake news. It is obvious that what is or isn't fake
news is highly objective.... not if the event actually happened or not.
It's so interesting to look at the Des News threads and check out the likes
at the bottom of an article like this. The Trump supporters # of likes seem to
be growing less and less by the story and the posts of those who call this
ridiculous administration out and refuse to be fed lies and like it? We'll
there we see the teens and twenties, don't we. As we now come to the point
that some Trump supporters are literally pounding their fists on the table and
saying "No! Allow him to lie and blame the free press for everything or
you're not being patriotic and it's making me vewy vewy angwy!" If
it weren't so sad, it would be amusing. It was sad to lose an election to
this man and these people. But I'm seeing the press and good people come
alive like I've not seen since the end of the Vietnam War. Keep hammering
and prodding Press! The more the bubble people hate you--and they will as long
as you are telling the truths they can't stand to hear--, the more you know
that you are doing your job well.
One Vote says he is hiding something. However, President Trump went to the
press conference without a list of whom to call on like all other presidents.
He took all questions and kept taking questions. He didn't orchestrate the
news conference by only choosing reporters who will ask good questions. He
acknowledged reporters from any organization even if he had a beef with them.
This was the most transparent news conference of modern times.
Des News--I am impressed. You reported this disaster meltdown of a press
conference in fair and honest fashion and though you will be despised for that
by some of your most loyal and longtime readers, let me be the first to say
that you should be proud of yourselves and you are fighting the good fight.
When he claims that people are mad at the press, he fails to mention that
included in those are his in the bubble core supporters (who are also people who
don't like hearing that flat out lies are flat out lies) and ALSO--people
who don't like Fox News and Brietbart. Any sane and caring American is
DEPENDING on the kind of reporting shown here. I've often chided this
publication in the past, but fair is fair. You are doing good, important work.
The reaction of Trump to press conferences and press coverage is that of a
person that is hiding a lot of baggage. He has a war on the press, except for
fox and friends, in anticipation of the facts about Russia and his finances
that will drop soon. If you do not want leaks to prove the truth, do not lie and
try to hide the truth. If you think our intelligence community has a lot of
information to show what his team has been doing, imagine what the Russians are
Many political leaders have taken a beating from the social media.So
refreshing to have a leader with backbone who pushes back.Media does
not run our country.
This was a great press conference. What it was: It was the president
speaking directly to THE PEOPLE about the dishonest press in an honest and no
PC way. The president was saying what many of us feel. What it was not:
George Bush style political mumbo-jumbo which causes you to yawn and change the
channelPresident Trump is better than his word -- he is better than
what most (even supporters) hoped for. President Trump calls out bad actors
instead of ignoring them. The CNN and NBC media sites are essentially Democrat
party media programming under the disguise of the press. There is NO free press
in these organizations -- they are leftist media / propoganda / entertainment
sites and nothing more. Jeff Zuckerberg has lowered CNN to the same level as
MSNBC now -- he has been the CEO of both. I wouldn't trust a weather report
from either. Finally -- the intel leaking must be found and stopped.
This is a felony.These sites-- CNN , MSNBC and others hate not only
the president but Christians and conservatives alike. This is real HATE not just
disagreement. This is NOT new news either.
Hey Illuminated –“ I feel God has answered mine and many
others of the silent majority who make this country work.”What
majority? Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by over three million votes.And there is nothing silent about the mendacious Donald Trump and his
like-minded supporters.Let’s face it. The only thing Trump has
against the media is that they report the truth, while Trump and his supporters
fear the truth . . . Like vampires fear sunlight. Hey banliberals
-“Trump is a liar? “Yes, he is. Thank you
for asking. He lies more than ANYONE I have ever seen . . . MULTIPLE times a
day sometimes. BTW, your post is loaded with “alternative
facts.”Trumpians will be Trumpians, won't they?Hey BPositive -"America won -get over it."WrongRussia won the battle.. But we truly patriotic will win the
war by taking our nation back.
Frighteningly unstable, his ranting, and lack of the slightest decorum should be
a yuge red flag. He refused to answer the simplest of questions and attacked
people for things they didn't even ask.Just embarrassing, and
those who continue to defend such childish behavior, are shrinking.
"The" big reason why President Trump caught fire and won the election
was because he spoke so plainly and truthfully minus all the traditional
polititian double-talk and memorized talking points. This press conference was a
great example of why people love the man and his honesty. He speaks exactly what
we believe and think but don't have the forum to say. 1. The
majority of the media is nothing but an extention of the Democrat party
....FACT2. CNN and MSNBC are particularly hateful and one - sided in their
reporting and commentary morning to night....FACT 3. The intel community
has some Obama hold overs who are leaking top secret intel to the media -- this
is a felony. ....FACTThe presidents conference was blunt but at the
same time he didn't shout or rant like Democrat's in congress do.
Yesterday Nancy Pelosi and John Lewis held a news conference ranting about a
tweet from Mike Flynn and calling for congressional hearings etc... As it turns
out the tweet was FAKE but that didn't stop Pelosi and Lewis from ranting.
This sort of thing goes on daily with the Democrats. Disgusting!!
This is the same guy that praised the "wiki-leaks" during the election.
He said they were a great thing. A really really good thing. But now that the
leaks are about him, they are "criminal". I am really
trying to give Trump the benefit of doubt. Our nation depends on it. But it
seems every time he opens his mouth, he is blaming someone else for the
situation. It's the Obama administrations fault. It's the
media's fault. It's the court's fault. It's the
intelligence agencies fault. It's Nordstrom's fault. They are all
really really bad people that aren't treating him fair.We all
agree Washington needs to change. But just like the Republicans kept telling
Obama's supporters, you can't blame the past administration, Trump and
his supports should not be using the excuse of blaming as well. Trump on other fronts had a good week last week. But the side shows he
creates distract from any good he may be doing.
One has to wonder whether this guy has anybody telling him how foolish he looks
when all he does is talk about himself, refuse to answer question and belittle
those around him. If he came out even halfway conciliatory about the way
he's managed things this first month, I'm sure Americans and possibly
even the media would look at him more favorably. But every time he has a chance
to, he just doubles down on ridiculous points that really don't matter
(such has his winning margin). I'm not sure why he is so opposed to coming
out and just answering questions in a professional manner. It's amazing the
contrast that he is with most of the other Republican candidates, and really his
entire cabinet. Aside from Bannon and Miller, these are all pretty good guys and
I can't see any of them acting this foolish.
The left wing media is a jokeHow many stories have I seen lately that have
no basis in fact... It's just doom and gloom on what might happen in the
wildest hysterical dreams of lefties... It's completely ludicrous... End of
Someone needs to explain to Trump that by attacking the media and the
intelligence community, the more they are going to push back against him. Never
mind , that under normal conditions, he should be working hand in glove with the
intelligence community. I don't know if his administration is going to
settle down or if things are going to get worse.
I cannot understand how anyone can support this man. This news conference was
unbelievable. He is such an embarrassment to the country. He he
can't stop bragging, he can't stop lying, he can't stop bringing
up the election and Hillary. I keep thinking about what Fox News and
its followers would be saying if our intelligence officials had recordings of
Hillary's top people talking with Russians. If it were Hillary that had
nominated people so utterly unqualified for cabinet positions - such as DeVose,
if Hillary was charging the tax payers for 3 difference residences and trips to
Florida every week-end, if she were making money off of her presidency, if she
had refused to release her taxes, if Bill Clinton had filed a lawsuit whining
about how he won't be able to make as much money from his new role, if
Hillary had already filed paperwork for her re-election campaign so she could
charge the tax payer for a "rally" in Florida this weekend.Fox News and its followers would be foaming at the mouth. How can
people be so blindly partisan? I really do wonder why they can't
acknowledge what is so obvious?
I regularly watch France24 over the internet. Their commentators have no U.S.
partisan bias, and aren't looking back at our election. No sour grapes
from them. They are trying to analyze and understand President Trump's
current actions (and tweets). President Trump is media challenged in France.
His cabinet regularly gets better press than he does.
@Fight4Liberty what is truth? You're going to have a hard time convincing
everyone what truth is when there is very little absolute truth in politics.Are you familiar with the Blind Men and the Elephant? Each blind man had
a shred of truth and each was wrong. That is what is wrong with politics and
public opinion, both parties rely on selling rather than facts. You, me, and
the Donald are each entitled to our opinions, we are not entitled to the facts.
And his approval rating drops to below 40% --the lowest approval of every
President for the same period since before Eisenhower. Of course, those in the
alternate world of alternate facts and fake news will dismiss these numbers. Doesn't change 'em, though.
He was never in an elected office of any kind, nor any appointed one. His first
month of presidential service isn't quite up, and there seems to be no
shortage of opposition to him, even among GOP Congressional reps. But Mr.
Illusionist is already set to compare Mr. Trump to...George Washington?Washington wasn't perfect, but he did serve through two terms with a
minimum of disputes. Oh, and there was one other thing - he led his new
nation's army to victory over the world's largest military power. Mr.
Trump has never spent a day in his country's military service.Personally, I hope Trump is so great in his new job that he makes us all
forget Lincoln, FDR and Reagan. But so far he doesn't seem to have spent
any time on the learning curve.
"Trump is the President, why not act like a rational person and let him be
in office before you dole out your armchair criticism?"Because he is
not acting like a rational person. We don't have to excuse the behaviour he
displayed today. Nor the disconnect from reality. I know he's president. I
cannot let him behave like this as President in office because his behaviour is
@illuminatedRasmussen's final poll was Clinton 2pts ahead of Trump,
which does match the popular vote but the real clear politics (RCP) final
polling average of major polls had it at just over 3pts for Clinton so it's
not like it was off by much. The RCP average for Trump's approval rating is
a net -5.7. Rasmussen's the only one even higher than +1 (it's at
+10). Notably it's the only one that asks likely voters while the others
ask registered voters or adults so I guess the people who don't like Trump
should probably get registered to vote and show up in 2018.
A few of Trump's "alternative facts:"Terrorism and
terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe have "gotten to a point
where it's not even being reported." "The murder rate
in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years." Says
he "won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted
illegally."many, many more....Trump has long been
attacking the media, threatening to open up "libel laws," while he
himself has revealed himself almost daily to be blatantly "truth"
challenged. Despite the outlier Rasmussen poll, most polls report
people in the U.S. give Trump a high disapproval rating--one of the highest
disapproval ratings at this point in his presidency when compared to other
I enjoy watching the4 network news these days. Scott Pelly led tonight defending
the work of the media and fact-checking Trump on his approval rating.These guys still don't get it. Trump doesn't care. They didn't
get elected; Trump did. The networks blew their chance to have a honeymoon.
They chose attack instead.Trump began today by saying he was going
directly to the people because the media is slanting the story. This
is a battle of control over the narrative. Trump won't be intimidated. This
standoff will only strengthen new media against the networks and the wires.An adversarial press left out of the loop is not healthy...but it seems
Most amazing press conference I've ever seen. Everyone I talked to at work
today agreed it was about darn time someone stood up to the lying fake media.
Rasmussen (which called the election almost spot on) has Trump's approval
at 55%. After this, watch his approval go even higher.The American
people can see that Trump is being treated incredibly unfair by the media and
they've been begging for years for someone like Trump to come along and
finally say what everyone was thinking.I'm proud I voted for
this man. I see him as a modern George Washington figure, a guy who is willing
to be a true leader and stare the embedded power structure in the face and not
blink. Is he the perfect Conservative? No. But he's the right man at the
right time. I feel God has answered mine and many others of the silent majority
who make this country work.
@banliberalsI completely agree that Hillary lied about a ton of
stuff. But as a true conservative I have to also recognize that Trump
doesn't even know when he's telling the truth.That someone
else lied does not justify Trump's behaviour. He's trampling on the
Constitution and attacking and threatening a free press.Yes Trump
was maybe the lesser of two evils. But for the people to allow these despicable
behaviours coming from Trump, would be a sign that perhaps America really is
just as weak as Trump said it was.I think America is better than
Trump and will quickly show him that telling a Jewish reporter to sit down,
because he dared reference a rise in anti-semitism, is not what they stand
for.Let's help Donald out. Out.
Whether America continues to be the country that affords us liberty and the
freedoms we enjoy, is the most important issue. Those freedoms have been under
constant attack for the last century.Presidents come and go,
politicians come and go and many live in infamy for being bad, or are famous
for being good, but America still stands. Each president writes his own
history.But the glaring truth is that when America took the secular
low road, the country's social divide has only worsened, people have
"I" disease and become amoral. People no longer look through the lense
of liberty & freedom of which keeps the US a free country, and prefer to
live in a global world, where we watch the EU currently crumble because of
it.The social decay will eventually destroy America, and we will all
feel the pain. What is good or bad has very different meaning to
everyone, which is obvious on these posts.Those who stand on the
side of truth will prevail.
You know I've been thinking about this lots and I agree that there is too
much complaining about Trump. A President who loses the majority vote has the
task of working across the aisle with both houses so as to show respect for the
electorate. Trump however is acting as if he won a huge majority. Now maybe he
believes that, but it isn't true.So to keep the country united
I think it's time to seriously pursue the impeachment process. Begin by
respectfully writing your Congressmen and Senators. Let them understand that
your trust in them will hinge on how they address Trump's erratic
leadership. This is not a time for bickering, it is a time for sober
action. And how cool is it to have the freedom to stand up against a flawed
Trump is a liar? That is fake news.......and with a 55% approval rating the
majority of Americans approve of his attacking the phony press!I
never heard Trump say:You can keep your Doctor and your Plan and
your health care costs will be cut in half? Lie of ObamaIt was a
video that killed four dead Americans, and we have arrested a Muslim Hollywood
Producer for making that Video that killed four Americans? Lie told by both
Obama and HilaryI was under sniper fire while exiting a plane in
Bosnia? Lie told by HilaryWe signed into law the biggest
middle-class tax cut in history”? Lie told by Obama“I
didn’t call the Islamic State a ‘JV’
team”,,,,,,,,Obama!We have fired a whole bunch of people who
are in charge of these [VA] facilities”.....only one was ever
fired!....lie by Obama!
If Trump is getting counsel from "Fox and Friends" ... that's just
a step above getting counsel from a Saturday morning cartoon show. And maybe not a step above, really.
@one old manAnother irony is him attacking the leakers, when he advocated
for it any chance he could all Fall because it was damaging Hillary.
What's good for the gander seems to upset the rubber, necked goose.
Donald actually has the gall to accuse others of lying?And some
people actually believe him?Merciful goodness . . .
Trump lies so frequently and so blatantly that it's impossible to tell if
there is any shred of truth hidden in any of it.I find myself
wondering how long Mike Pence will take what's being handed to him and how
long it will be before he comes to his senses and resigns?But what
then?Who would be next in line?Orrin Hatch?
Trump is doing a great job and keeping his campaign promises to the majority of
the electoral college that we won quite handily. The alligators are upset about
the swamp being drained. Trump won, America won -get over it.
"This administration is running like a fine-tuned machine,..."Yeah, that "fine-tuned machine" has the legitimacy of a
@fight4liberty;"The 4 yr election cycle is just that ..."--- Once upon a time, maybe. Trump is holding a campaign rally for the
next election THIS SATURDAY in Florida!(And the word is
'pity', just sayin').@Jack from little rock;Sorry, we're not going to sit idly by as you dismantle the progress that
has been made over the last few decades.
@Jack for little rock-“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It
does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save
exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic
to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic
not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails
in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to
tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.” Teddy
Roosevelt (the last great Republican)
Jack from little rock - Little Rock, ARFeb. 16, 2017 1:23 p.m.======= We should NOT trust a dishonest man.Trump has
repeatedly bragged about talking with Vladimir Putin, then in an about
face, denied having ever talked to him.Which is it?The FAKE News is Trump -- it's HIS to establish credibility.As for the Intelligence Community and the Media -- They are responsible
for protecting this NATION -- not Donald Trump.If they do not trust
Trump, they obviously know something about him that we don't, so, as common citizens and sense dictates -- neither should we.
Trump against the world. This is starting to get scary.
other than Fox news I wouldn't trust a weather report from CNN , NBC, ABC,
CBS. The best thing for Trump to continue to do is ignore these media outlets.
They have their own far left agenda and it isn't based on fact but it does
contain loads of fiction. Replace Obamacare, cut taxes, develop energy again,
rebuild the military and forget the rest of the left wing noise. One thing the
Trump administration must do is have AG Sessions appoint a special prosecutor to
flush out the intel leakers. The intel leakers pose a clear and present danger
to the United States and are most likely Obama hold overs and my guess is they
are being paid to leak the intel to the press. This is a felony with prison time
@fight4liberty"why not act like a rational person and let him be in
office before you dole out your armchair criticism. "He is in
office. He's done many things that are reasonable subjects of criticism.
He's proposed (campaign and after) doing many things that are reasonable
subjects of criticism. It's irrational to ignore all that he's done or
to wait until he does something before voicing objection to something he wants
I listened to the news conference and even though it is the Deseret News. They
fell into the same trap as most of the other media outlets. Trump said he
doesn't mind bad news stories if they are true but what twists him off is
when the media distorts the truth to meet a certain agenda. I have looked for
the last several days and the amount of blatant lies and half truths that have
masqueraded as real news have been almost uncountable. whether you like trump
or have diametrically opposite opinions, he won and deserves to be given the
chance to succeed. If you don't like it, civilly tell your elected
representatives, if they don't respond the way you feel is correct vote
them out at the next election. But until then you just have to suck it up and
let the majority rule. We have taken several years to get where we are and it
will take several years to undo some of the nonsense that has been going on.
Bottom line we all have to quit calling names and get to work making
"America Great Again".
The liberal pitty party continues, Trump is the President, why not act like a
rational person and let him be in office before you dole out your armchair
criticism. After a year you should really have something to moan about, then
your argument may have credence. Right now its just hot air, which is very
boring.The 4 yr election cycle is just that and your incessant
whining only keeps you entertained. All people are flawed! All presidents past
present and future are and will be flawed men!Only the test of time
will give proof of sucess or failure. Like all presidents past.
President Trump appears to speak almost exclusively in exaggeration, often to
the point of being blatantly dishonest. We need the media to point out
President Trump's misstatements and keep him honest!
"It was a train wreck
The best train wreck! Everybody agreed, it was
the best possible train wreck. They loved it, and everybody cheered as the train
went off the rails..."
Obama never talked to reporters like that.He never had to.
""The press has become so dishonest that if we don't talk about it,
we are doing a tremendous disservice to the American people," Trump
said."--- It's called Projection, Donald. What you're
doing is projecting your own faults onto others, in this case, the media.
The people are growing tired of the man child blaming the messenger for
recording him.We are not blind and the Media is the only group who will
apparently hold Trump responsible for his actions. The GOP only investigate
Dem's, Donald told Jason not to even ask, and Jason rolled over for a tummy
rub.Trump is a petulant child and will soon be in Jail and his
loyalists will cry how unfair that he got Caught, not that he did anything
Trump makes Nixon look like a saint...