GOP hesitancy grows on health law repeal without substitute

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  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Jan. 11, 2017 5:04 p.m.

    @Thid wrote, "@ Laura: President Trump doesn't take office until the 20th and already you are telling us he hasn't kept his promises? "

    Thid, I asked you if you had noticed that "The Wall" has become "The Fence" and that "Mexico will pay" has morphed into "We'll get Mexico to reimburse us..later". You didn't answer.

    But I will answer your question: Yes, I am telling you that he hasn't and, more importantly, won't keep his promises. When you promise one thing..and then change that promise...and then modify it a little more--then you have, indeed, not kept the original promise.

    Are you expecting him to build that concrete wall and get Mexico to pay for it? Yes or no? If yes, why is he now talking about a fence? And why hasn't he used his negotiating talent to get Mexico to fork over the trillion it would cost?

    That wall will be built the same day he releases all his tax returns.

  • Free Thinking Liberal Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2017 12:31 p.m.

    @very_angry_man -

    Re: "FYI blindly trusting the supreme court to decide what is Constitutional is extremely dangerous- look up the Dred Scot decision. The Supreme Court is full..."

    Continued deflection I see. Noticed you did not answer direct questions regarding your grossly inaccurate claims once again! Furthermore. You may desire obtaining a law degree and actually practicing law prior to posting another rant, which contains everything but factual information. FYI my dearly confused self proclaimed "angry" poster. The foundations of our democracy are not barriers to progress that can be wished away because one doesn't agree with our current President, rather firm principles that, if they are to be changed at all, can be amended only with the overwhelming and express consent of the governed. Assure you no one on this end is "blindly" accepting anything, rather believing in the system our founding fathers established regardless of my personal "cherished beliefs! In conclusion. What specifically regarding Dred Scott? SCOTUS is mistake free? Once again. Specifics and answers rather rants please.

  • very_angry_man Arlington, TX
    Jan. 11, 2017 7:23 a.m.

    @Lib living on Planet Utah

    FYI blindly trusting the supreme court to decide what is Constitutional is extremely dangerous- look up the Dred Scot decision. The Supreme Court is full of career politicians who are human and susceptible to corruption. And will you still blindly follow whatever the current supreme court rules when they rule against your cherished beliefs?

    On my review of the Constitution, I find no authority for the Federal government to legislate, regulate or pay for 99% of healthcare, except those parts which are truly interstate commerce. And I reject another flawed supreme court ruling (Wickard Vs Filburn) which calls basically anything a person does interstate commerce with no limits on the Federal government. Prove me wrong, quote the text of the Constitution that allows unlimited federal involvement in private service contracts between people within one state.

    And since you accused me of being partisan, tell me which party I am? Which party will stop taxing and stealing from me? Which party will get the federal government completely out of health care? Which party will actually follow the Constitution? Tell me the name of that party I may join it.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 11, 2017 3:33 a.m.

    Our medical system is as ugly and corrupt as any gangster movie. They have all the care and concern in the world until you have no more money.

    The insurance companies will not walk back their profit for the sake of America. That is not how they work! Profit is their sole motivation. You do not matter! You are a source of profit, nothing more.

    If our country ever needed to regulate anything it would be the GREED of the insurance companies and medical industry.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 10, 2017 7:52 p.m.

    @ Laura: President Trump doesn't take office until the 20th and already you are telling us he hasn't kept his promises? Wow you sure are impatient! Won't you be surprised when you have to eat your words? Remember to keep your words soft and sweet because you might have to eat them!

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Jan. 10, 2017 3:29 p.m.

    Let me guess --

    Repeal and Replace was a 'secret' Trump / GOP plan, that turns out to be a flat out lie -- there really was no plan after-all.

    Someone really should get on the phone and call the Pentagon and all those stupid Generals who are awaiting those "secret" orders to destroy ISIS....

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 2:49 p.m.

    @Thid Barker - today Trump called for Congress to replace the ACA "quickly".

    How could Congress possibly formulate, debate, compromise and ultimately pass a law as complex as healthcare reform, "quickly", with the transparency you claim will be present?

    Combined with Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell's pressuring of Senate Democrats to confirm Trump's nominations for key positions - without even having their background checks completed! - it looks like the Republican criticism of Obama's handling of the ACA as not being transparent is another case of "do as I say, not as I do".

    All the Republican arguments against Obama are getting obliterated... by the incoming Republican president, and Republican congressional leaders.

  • Lib living on Planet Utah Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 2:01 p.m.

    @very_angry_man -

    Re: "Pre-Obamacare, with pre-existing conditions, under Oregon's OMIP plan, I was paying $165 / month for individual coverage with a $1000 deductible".

    Never stated you didn't. However I did state that your original comments below are pure utter nonsense! Your comparison model is partisan and you're aware!

    "And we were dealing with pre-existing conditions when we had cheaper and better coverage pre-Obamacare.
    Never believe the hype and propoganda- pre-Obamacare, millions of families like mine with pre-existing conditions did have ways to obtain coverage through either employment or state programs".

    "Obamacare is not only unconstitutional it's also incredibly damaging to families and businesses, it's worse coverage for a higher price than I had before".

    Not according to SCOTUS! Furthermore. How specifically is it "damaging"? Specifically how is your coverage "worse"? What about those already insured via ACA? They just lose coverage? Pre-existing conditions? How is my plan better now but yours supposedly is not? More facts less propaganda!

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Jan. 10, 2017 1:02 p.m.

    @Thid wrote, "Whatever the GOP comes up with.. won't be a pack of lies and false promises"

    On the subject of lies and false promises, Thid, have you noticed that The Wall has become The Fence and "Mexico will pay for it" has become "We'll pay for it but Mexico will reimburse us". And when that doesn't happen--and it won't--what's next?

  • very_angry_man Arlington, TX
    Jan. 10, 2017 12:51 p.m.

    @Liberal living on Planet Utah

    Pre-Obamacare, with pre-existing conditions, under Oregon's OMIP plan, I was paying $165 / month for individual coverage with a $1000 deductible. I remember paying those premiums because I wasn't making much at the time, seemed huge then.

    Obamacare is not only unconstitutional (and therefore illegal), it's also incredibly damaging to families and businesses, it's worse coverage for a higher price than I had before.

    Just repeal Obamacare, no federal replacement. Families and states can take care of their own.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 12:22 p.m.

    Without a suitable alternative the GOP would be throwing upwards of 20 million people off of health insurance, remove subsidies that a lot of families rely on to be able to better afford health insurance, and re-instate pre-existing conditions as a coverage denial mechanism.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 12:08 p.m.

    Remember when Tea Partiers / conservatives / Republicans used to mock Democrats for Obama's "Hope and Change" theme?

    My, my, my...

    "Lock her up!" - that one didn't last long, did it?

    "We're going to repeal Obamacare on Day One, folks!" - that one will evaporate in less than two weeks.

    "I'm bringing back the high-paying jobs from China!"

    "Mexico's paying for that wall! It just got two feet higher!"

    "Only I can solve this nation's problems!"

    Hopefully you guys didn't really believe all that... did you?

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 10, 2017 11:54 a.m.

    Hey guess what GOP - your strategy of fire-first-aim-later is going to blow up in your face. I have two college-attending daughters who have health insurance through my employer at no additional cost to them or me. They have that insurance only because of Obama Care. If Obama Care goes away - those two college-attending daughters will have to purchase their own policies to the tune of $2700 per year per person. I'm sure that my situation is not unusual. You will make a large group of people pay more for health insurance for no real reason other than your spite for Obama. But hey - if you want to cut off your nose to spite your face - don't let me stop you.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 10, 2017 11:46 a.m.

    Whatever the GOP comes up with we won't need to"pass it to find out what's in it" and it won't be a pack of lies and false promises ("The average American family will save about $2500/year")! It will be honest and straight forward; if we give free or subsidized healthcare to some citizens, other citizens will be forced to pay for it! This isn't difficult! Just be honest!

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 11:25 a.m.

    All those here saying the Republicans dont have a plan are wrong. Its called Obamacare, they are the ones who came up with the plan in the first place. But then Obama supported it and all the sudden it was an evil plan to take your freedom away. Romney campaigned against the plan he put in place when he was Governor. All they need to do now is change the name to Trumpcare.

  • Liberal living on Planet Utah SLC, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:50 a.m.

    @very_angry_man -

    Re: "And we were dealing with pre-existing conditions when we had cheaper and better coverage pre-Obamacare".

    Absolute utter nonsense! Specifics please. Personally dealt with the identical situation due to severe back injury. My deductible pre Obamacare = $22K! My Silver plan via University of Utah = 0! Last year. Select Health Silver = $2500.

    Never believe the hype and propoganda- pre-Obamacare, millions of families like mine with pre-existing conditions did have ways to obtain coverage through either employment or state programs. The state program I used (Oregon OMIP) did not use any tax revenue!

    Then why attempt to spread outright propaganda and misinformation? Just state the true reason you are anti-Obama!

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 10, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    @dmcvey wrote, "I suspect they'll pretty much keep the ACA but rebrand it as Trumpcare."

    I suspect that you are right. I also suspect that Obama would have no problem with that. His ego isn't so fragile that he'll pout if Trumpcare is even better--i.e. includes a single payer option.

    Remember Mitt Romney? He was justifiably proud of MassCare, which insured 94% of his state's citizens. His plan was modeled after the Heritage Foundation plan, and Obamacare was modeled after MassCare. But then..the Repub attack dogs tore into Obamacare, screeching that it was terrible, that it would fail, that it would bankrupt the country. And they made it clear that Romney would get their support only if he disavowed Obamacare. Romney could--and should--have stood up to them, but he didn't, instead claiming that the plan was good for Massachusetts...but (for reasons never explained) not good for the rest of the country.

  • very_angry_man Arlington, TX
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    ... meant to add to my previous comment. . .

    . . .And we were dealing with pre-existing conditions when we had cheaper and better coverage pre-Obamacare.

    Never believe the hype and propoganda- pre-Obamacare, millions of families like mine with pre-existing conditions did have ways to obtain coverage through either employment or state programs. The state program I used (Oregon OMIP) did not use any tax revenue!

  • very_angry_man Arlington, TX
    Jan. 10, 2017 9:20 a.m.

    Please repeal completely and replace with nothing. My family had much better coverage with much lower premiums pre-Obamacare.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    Jan. 10, 2017 8:57 a.m.

    I suspect they'll pretty much keep the ACA but rebrand it as Trumpcare.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 10, 2017 8:33 a.m.

    According to REPUBLICANS, Obamacare is killing the insurance industry.

    "UnitedHealth Group reported a profit of $11 billion (on revenues of more than $157 billion) in 2015, up from $10.3 billion (on revenues of $131 billion) in 2014."

    UnitedHealth has been making truck loads of money from federal and state governments, thanks to Obama. In fact, far more than half of the $157 billion it took in last year came from Medicare, Medicaid and other government programs!

    Republicans would like you to believe that these huge profits come from the private sector. This is FALSE, Aetna, Anthem and UnitedHealth - collect most of their revenues from the government/tax payers, not from their private customers.

    If you lost your doctor because of Obamacare, it was not because of President Obama it was because your insurance company did not want to pay him/her their normal rates. Your insurer had a cheaper alternative for you for the sake of their profits!

    {If only we could get past the lies and work together.}

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 10, 2017 7:57 a.m.

    @Jamescmeyer writes,

    "Let companies offer whatever insurance they want, and let people pay for whatever plans and coverage they want. No one is, or has been in any modern history, been dying on the streets because they can't afford health insurance."

    Such a great system--we had it in place up until 2014. And that's what got us in the position where 27 other countries had longer average lifespans or lower infant death rates or lower maternal death rates. And, by the wildest coincidence--all 27 had some sort of government mandated medical coverage.

    "that's not how E.R.s and hospitals work"

    No, that's how bankruptcy courts work. And tell me about those people in Midwest City who couldn't afford a six figure bone marrow transplant. Tell me about the little cans by the cash registers of stores, begging for money for lifesaving surgery. Was this unnecessary? Could these people with leukemia just have gotten a free bone marrow transplant in their local emergency room? Or did the hospital require a hundred thousand dollar payment upfront?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 7:50 a.m.

    Looks like the GOP is having a bit of buyers remorse. Best be careful what you wish for.

  • UtahTroutStalker draper, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 7:46 a.m.

    Funny how the GOP consistently voted to repeal it when they had no chance of doing so. Now that they will have the House, the Senate, and the White House - well the prospect of losing 20 million voters back to the Dems for the 2018 election.

    Yeah - GOP has played partisan politics to the hilt. Only 20 of the people that voted for Trump will stick with him no matter once. After they realize they have been bamboozled they will kick him and many of the GOP lawmakers out of office. Then we can really get back to making American into the greatest country in the world.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Jan. 10, 2017 7:37 a.m.

    "Option 2 is the best option but does require a plan to replace it. Trump will deliver!! "

    I'm saving this one. April 10, 2017.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 10, 2017 7:33 a.m.

    To reduce the taxes on the wealthiest, we will throw 22 million people under the bus.

    This is how Republicans make America great again.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Jan. 10, 2017 7:11 a.m.

    @patriot wrote,

    "Trump will deliver!!"

    Where did you get that idea from?

    Is he moving to have Hillary Clinton arrested and locked up? Not exactly. He said he doesn't have a vendetta against the Clintons, because "they're good people".

    Is he building the wall that he promised? Umm..no. He is talking about a fence..over a small part of the border, though.

    Has Mexico agreed to pay for this fence? Well...no. We're going to have to pay for it. But he'll get Mexico to pay for it.

    And, oh, did you notice that he didn't release his tax returns? But I'm sure he will.

    Because he promised. And he always delivers on his promises.

  • General Mormon Farmington, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 6:44 a.m.

    8 YEARS!
    They had 8 Years to come up with something - ANYTHING

    They fed us 8 Years of "Repeal and Replace"....

    As it turns out,
    it was always just "Repeal and..............??"

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    Jan. 10, 2017 6:40 a.m.

    Here's a novel replacement idea; don't regulate it at all. Let companies offer whatever insurance they want, and let people pay for whatever plans and coverage they want. No one is, or has been in any modern history, been dying on the streets because they can't afford health insurance-that's not how E.R.s and hospitals work.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 10, 2017 6:23 a.m.

    The GOP lied to America. For 7 years they tried to repeal the ACA. They said they had a replacement plan, but refused to show us what it was. Turns out, they had no alternative-and still don't.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Jan. 10, 2017 5:44 a.m.

    Repeal with a promise to replace later.

    Build the wall now with a promise to get Mexico to pay for it later.

    I'm beginning to detect a pattern...

  • Queen of Hearts Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2017 2:10 a.m.

    It's fun to watch the Republicans in full frustration mode. Like the dog that caught the car, they don't know what to do. Mitch McConnell said the first order of business for the new Congress was to "repeal" Obamacare. He didn't talk about any replacement although lip service was paid to developing some alternative in the coming years. Then there was talk about not actually ending Obamacare until a new healthcare plan was developed.

    Then Paul Ryan got into the act and said that the Republicans had a plan but could not reveal it. Then he back-tracked and said that the Republicans in Congress had "ideas". Well, they've had ideas for decades without the wherewithal to do anything. Doing nothing was the plan.

    Republicans need both to have a realistic plan. The plan must include the popular aspects of Obamacare which the public has come to expect. Except for hardliner ideologues who want full repeal with nothing to replace it, this mess is just getting worse, and Republicans have taken on the responsibility. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

    Donald Trump campaigned on repealing Obamacare, but he wanted an "excellent" replacement.

  • Cheshire Cat Bronx, NY
    Jan. 10, 2017 1:58 a.m.

    The ideal replacement for Obamacare which has been the preferred choice among Republicans these last six years is to no nothing. That means no replacement. Republicans have been avoiding the healthcare needs of people who cannot afford it for over 70 years. Their attitude is that if you can't afford it, tough luck.

    Millions of Americans have had to take their chances for decades. And so Republicans never bothered to come up with a replacement plan. They voted to repeal Obamacare 60 times in the House of Representatives, but not once did they even contemplate having a viable alternative.

    Now, with over 20-25 millions citizens depending on Obamacare for their healthcare needs, they need a plan. Essentially what "repeal and replace" has literally become: tweek the plan to make it work better. Since the American people like many of the features of Obamacare, fixing it is more logical that repealing it and then coming up with another plan that does essentially the same thing.

    Everyone knows that Republicans primary objection to Obamacare is the name. They object to President Obama having any successful legacy. So, fix it and re-name it, OK?

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    Jan. 10, 2017 1:47 a.m.

    patriot - Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:37 p.m.

    "there are two ways to repeal Obamacare . . . "

    No, there is a third way which the Republicans may want to take considering the unpopularity of their task. After campaigning on repeal, Republicans are finding that simple repeal will hurt too many people and is politically unsavory. Of course, this has been the Republican mantra for six years, but now they have to come up with a viable plan (which they have never developed during all this time) that maintains many of the benefits of the program and which removal would be the end of the Republican-dominated Congress.

    Apparently, many Trump supporters come from states where Obamacare has been very effective in helping people. Throwing 20 million people off healthcare insurance would certainly impact the 2018 congressional elections.

    The way the Republicans might eliminate Obamacare and keep what people like about it is to change the name. Republicans have hated Barack Obama for 8 years and want to erase his legacy. By just changing the name, they rid the nation of the dreaded Obamacare and yet keep peace by re-naming it: Trumpcare. Now, you can rest easily.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 11:55 p.m.

    @patriot "2. Do it all at once Option 2 is the best option but does require a plan to replace it. Trump will deliver!! I am guessing in 90 days Obamacare will be history."

    Outlawing denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions without an insurance mandate amounts to squaring the circle. Can't be done.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Jan. 9, 2017 11:06 p.m.

    You know what criticizing and complaining about a problems is called without offering a solution . . . it called Whining!

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:49 p.m.

    Republicans have voted numerous times to repeal obamacare the last six years. It truly shows you they had no plan for anything but were focused on political points.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:38 p.m.

    It's one thing to chase the car but another to actually catch it, then have to drive it.
    Would not be surprised if Trump vetos any repeal without replacement. Millions of his supporters are living on the back of us taxpayers and he knows it.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:37 p.m.

    there are two ways to repeal Obamacare and repeal it we will do!!!

    1. Do it piece by piece
    2. Do it all at once

    Option 2 is the best option but does require a plan to replace it. Trump will deliver!! I am guessing in 90 days Obamacare will be history.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:31 p.m.

    They can create chaos by just throwing it all out. Leave as it is. Or, focus their efforts on the part of the Affordable Care Act that needs to be fixed and do it incrementally.