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  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:22 p.m.

    Watch the Trump smoke and mirrors. You can't cut taxes, build the great wall which taxpayers are now going to have to pay for, keep funding wars in the Middle East, and do something constructive about health care reform. Unless, you are going to raise some taxes and do massive cuts in education, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, foreign aid, and the Department of Defense. For those blaming Obama ask yourselves where your Republican congressional representatives were the past 8 yrs. Either being obstructionists or writing blank checks with nothing to back them up. The Bush wars were done on a credit card. The Middle East will never have peace. They never have. It is a financial snakepit that we likely can't get out of. Washington needs a reality check including our new president.Trump will make sure the wealthy do not take big tax hit, everyone knows the poor can't so it will be put on the backs of the middle tax and the lower middle class.

  • General Mormon Farmington, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 5:43 p.m.

    1 nuclear armed hypersonic missile has a range of 1200+ miles and can hit a target at nearly 100 miles per minute [think SLC to LA in 6 minutes ~ 1.9 miles per second] = cost $1.2 million.

    1 nuclear aircraft carrier, 1,400 ft long target, loitering speed of 40 knots = cost $5 Billion.

    One could make the case [like Pres. Jimmy Carter did - and has been proven right time and again for the the last 40 years]

    5,000 missiles or 1 aircraft carrier [target].

    And do not even get me started on the use of drones [which are now doing the bulk of the dirty work in the Middle East now].

    Trump is living in 1951 America...
    HAND couriers for mail
    and more ships??! Seriously?!!

  • Sportsfan123 Salt lake, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 3:40 p.m.

    @frozen fractals

    Well Im not sure why the budget deficit seems to be the fallback for liberals when it comes to the national debt and you say the annual deficit is at 400billion right now. That might be for this fiscal year I havnt checked.

    But what I do know is that Oblama is estimated to have a combined deficit after he leaves office of 7.3 trillion after an 8yr term. That avg's to 912 billion deficit per year, obviously that is just an avg its different yr to yr.

    In comparison to George W Bush his deficit after 8yrs was 3.29 trillion for an avg of 411billion annually, the next closest was Reagan with an avg of 176 billion annually.

    The tot cost of the 2 wars was 1.7 trill the rest was all Oblama, inheriting a poor economy or not, created by B. Clinton contrary to popular opinion, Oblama did nothing to correct our countries problems and spending habits.

    This is the cost of socialism and expanding govt. Adding a failed healthcare system in the ACA with an annual cost of 4 trill for example. Oblama will go down as the $20 trillion dollar man, spending more $ than all presidents before combined.
    That will be his legacy like it or not.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 1:32 p.m.

    Let's be very clear about how government funding works. The house, yes the republican held House of Representatives holds the purse strings. Not Obama, of course he makes a good scape goat and of course he can veto bills but he didn't spend anything.

    Also isn't telling that Obamacare has been the target of republicans for six years and they have voted to repeal it numerous times but now they are saying they are going to phase it out over time. It shows they never had a plan to replace in the first place and they are scared of the black lash from voters for an out right appeal. I thought the swamp was going to be drained and there would be no more politics.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 9, 2017 12:38 p.m.

    Pathetic!

    Some folks don't like having a strong defense, but are ok with our current commander giving billions of dollars away to other countries, and to American citizens who something for nothing.

    Strengthening our military will create many jobs, and get people of the dole. Back to work for a prosperous America.

    Thank you Mr. Trump!

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 11:55 a.m.

    Military spending on durable goods can have some financial benifits by pumping money into the economy without producing goods that do not have to be consumed the general public. My concerns are that in the past there has been a great deal of waste and the money sits mostly in the bank accounts of the top executives of the defense cotractors, the other is concern of a return of the Cold War and higthened risk of war. I would prefer to see investments in other infrastructure projects that accounts mush the same financial benifits rather then more military build up.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 11:21 a.m.

    @Thid Barker
    "The Trump effect=more good paying jobs=more taxpayers= more tax revenue= more prosperity= more national defense= freedom"

    I wonder if Idaho is right behind Utah in people falling for pyramid schemes...

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    @Sportsfan123
    Well if you look at Obama's deficits the worst was the first year and that was when we were crashing into a recession (so revenue fell sharply), we still had Bush's wars to pay for, and we needed to stimulate the economy to stop the freefall. After that Obama's deficits decreased over the years. Now we have about a 400 billion annual deficit and an incoming administration that wants to pass a huge tax cut, a huge infrastructure program, and a huge buildup of the military (let's assume no wars for simplicity, or at least nothing more than we currently have with ISIS). That's a lot of money to add onto the deficit.

  • Sportsfan123 Salt lake, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 10:08 a.m.

    So far libs are complaining about the cost and are fear mongering thinking Trump will use the military to start WWIII.

    Lets do a cost comparison since Trump hasnt actually spent any money yet. Bush spent 8 trill.
    Oblama approx 12 trill. Oblama has spent more money than any president b4 him, why aren't libs complaining about that?
    Oblama is responsible for a failed economy with the lowest job participation rate on record the real measure of unemployment. A 4 trillion annual cost for a failed healthcare program which only 18% of the population uses. That is 20 mill people vs 340 mill who pay for it and dont use it, thats called robbing Peter to pay Paul.

    As far as the fear mongering goes, well I heard many a conservative and republican echo the same sentiments about Oblama, so I understand since he took us for a ride down socialist blvd for 8yrs and look how unstable our country is internally and economically with a weakened military that apparently doesn't deter enemies like Putin from hacking our DNC exposing the fraud that Hillary is.

    Despite Trumps faults, he's a breath of fresh air.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    Jan. 9, 2017 9:08 a.m.

    The only way to do this without going further into debt is to raise taxes. If the GW Bush years taught us anything it's that these things aren't going to pay for themselves. You can't cut taxes and raise spending without debt.

  • Sportsfan123 Salt lake, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 8:45 a.m.

    Come on liberals, Trump strengthening our military is a good thing. All Trump has to do is mention the legendary 101st airborne division to any sovereign nation who is acting up and usually they back off, something Oblama apparently is not aware of or refuses to do.

    Our 101st airborne div has never lost a battle in its history, many a president in the past has done this. It is an example to all just how effective having a strong military really is.

    Trump recommitting to strengthen the military is a really good thing. I am thankful he got in as POTUS not hillary another four years of dem/liberal policies that obviously don't work would have potentially been disastrous for our country.

  • UtahTroutStalker draper, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 8:35 a.m.

    Folks - do some research.

    The US has more carriers than all of the other navies of the world combined. Waste of money!

    Trump wants Japan, and other nations to start to increase their spending on defense - then us putting ourselves into more debt is not the answer.

    My goodness!

  • UtahTroutStalker draper, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 8:33 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UT

    We have no carriers deployed anywhere in the world? Really? I have a good friend from high school that commands a destroyer. He would beg to differ from you. We have carriers deployed all over the world.

    The US currently has 19 carriers with 16 planned even before Trump becomes President. Again he tries to take credit for something he did not even do. Stop spreading fake news.

    If Trump were to be a real fiscal conservative he would not build 16 more carriers. That money could help fund his 1 Trillion infrastructure program.

  • UtahBlueDevil Lehi Ut & Durham, NC
    Jan. 9, 2017 5:57 a.m.

    Navy ships are slow, lumbering, expensive and easily targeted. Let's hope that sane minds understand that doubling down on 1900s technology is not what will make the US military strong. The Navy absolutely has its place, and are a necessary part of any solution.

    Comparing battle readiness to WWI and WWII shows a huge lack of understanding of the modern battlefield and current capabilities.

  • Sportsfan123 Salt lake, UT
    Jan. 9, 2017 1:36 a.m.

    @gary o

    I read this article, did you? Clearly the premise of this article is the build up of the American Navy.

    You said, "through our new Republican Russian coalition, we can do the same for Putin".

    So now we're building a Navy for the Russians? I am assuming that is what you meant. O I guess this is the same logic liberals are using complaining that Russia got Trump elected, but you have all complained that Hillary got the most votes. So did Hillary get more votes because of this Hack or was it Trump?

    Trump is building up the military just like he said he would and it will be used as a deterrant, not to bully smaller countries and commit genocide as you have stated.

    Atleast he's not sequestering the military then touting to the world that we have the strongest and most powerful military in the world, and then call back every single U.S. aircraft carrier in our fleet. Who exactly is Oblama trying to fool?

    Trump will strengthen the military first then he wont have to say much to Putin, and the Ayatola Khomani before they try doing something crazy.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 10:31 p.m.

    The survival of our nation depends on our ability to defend ourselves and our vital lanes of commerce. This has been true since the days of Jefferson and the Barbary pirates through the U-boat menace of WW1 and WW2. The keystone of American power has been a fleet of aircraft carriers with a mix of planes providing a flexible mix of options from disaster relief, to presence, to pinpoint strikes to sustained attacks on targets hundreds of miles from the sea.

    Last week, for the first time since prior to WW2 there was not a single U.S. aircraft carrier deployed anywhere in the world. Our fleet is smaller than at any time prior to WW1.

    Ships take years to build and are expensive. Lack of fighting ships can end our country and the price will be unfathomable.

    Clinton's "peace dividend" and Obama's doubling of the national debt with nothing to show for it but Democrat voters having more "free stuff" have placed our national security in peril.

    We must strengthen the Navy, but that spending will create jobs and economic growth more than sending out welfare checks for the same amount.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 8, 2017 9:37 p.m.

    It's a historical fact.

    Weak countries are conquered, and we are definitely spiraling in a downward spin. Sheesh! And we can't even put men in space anymore.

    Peace through strength! Strength which create jobs.

    Thank you Trump for wanting to make America strong and prosperous.

    Get our citizens off the dole, and back to work.

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 9:04 p.m.

    If a rising tide raises all boats, build more boats!

  • Red Corvette St George, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 8:34 p.m.

    Get 'er done!

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 8, 2017 7:54 p.m.

    Here is a concept that seems to escape some people. The Trump effect=more good paying jobs=more taxpayers= more tax revenue= more prosperity= more national defense= freedom! The Obama effect is more minimum wage jobs= fewer tax contributors=more entitlements= more national debt=less jobs=more debt=less national defense=less freedom! See how easy that is?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 7:16 p.m.

    The various nations, including ours, will pursue military build-up as a means of maintaining employment and supporting profits, Ike's military-industrial complex.

    Is it not amazing, that with the collapse of Soviet communism we have never achieved the "peace dividend." That's because nobody - worldwide - wants it. Modern capitalism - both the Russian/Chinese and American versions - need military investment to soak up labor unneeded otherwise.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 5:22 p.m.

    Neither president elect Trump, his sons, or son in law have ever served in the military or been deployed. It is easy to send everyone else's sons and daughters to war. Our efforts towards peace should be 100 times what our efforts towards war are. Look at the young man that just carried out those terrible shootings in the Florida airport. He was deployed in Iraq and watched two of his close friends get blown up. Per comments from his family and people that knew him he was never the same after that. There is a terrible cost to war on many, many fronts.

    Neither Trump or Congress are saying how they are going to pay for the wall with Mexico, the beefed up military that is being financially beefed up far more than what the military is actually asking for. Or, how all these other things that have been promised are going to be paid for. Are they going to run us even deeper in debt? Remember Trump said he loves debt. On the backs of the middle class? On the backs of the elderly with cuts to Medicare and Social Security? The taxpayers, regardless of party affiliation, have a right to know before they do it.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 5:18 p.m.

    For eight years the drumbeat of Cons has been deficits matter.

    Now that they control both branches of Government...

    Deficits don't matter.

    C'est la vie.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    Jan. 8, 2017 3:25 p.m.

    It feels like this is the not-so-calm calm before a really big storm.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 12:36 p.m.

    And how are we going to pay for this Mr. Trump? With increases in military spending, a vow to renew the nuclear arms race, a $40 billion wall (construction, eminent domain and property compensation, and maintenance), a promise of bigly investment in infrastructure, combined with tax cuts, which will mostly benefit the wealthy, yearly deficits, which were finally reduced to pre-recession levels (before 2008), will go off the charts again.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 11:13 a.m.

    Pay attention Utah. It's your sons & daughters that will supply the bloodshed when Trump decides to tryout his new military.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 8, 2017 11:04 a.m.

    Real "shovel ready" jobs paid for by Mexico and China via import taxes on goods they dump here! President Trump is always one step ahead of his critics! In the meantime, America is becoming great again!

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Jan. 8, 2017 11:03 a.m.

    And the deficit will (a) increase madly or (b) decrease with this spending?

    The military-industrial complex is in a mad rush to transfer billions into corporate coffers, which is why the first step was attempting to gut and neutralize the congressional ethics office - if the 1% is getting a huge boost, they have to keep their congressional puppets in line with regular treat$$$.

  • UtahTroutStalker draper, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 10:52 a.m.

    In today's modern military are these ships with all their precious cargo of US sailors just sitting ducks on the water?

    I think ultimately this is a failed strategy to build up more very expensive ships that at the end of the day will have little to no positive impact on our lives.

    Smaller vessels that use drone tech, and drone aircraft are much less expensive and we can keep the people operating them safe at home. Right now the enemy is developing techniques to shoot down drones, and keep us from seeing what they are doing. We already have more aircraft carriers and more advanced fighter and bombers than anyone else in the world.

    Seems like money wasted when DTJ has promised 1 Trillion dollars in infrastructure improvement. How will the middle class taxpayers afford this?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 8, 2017 10:12 a.m.

    Is Mexico going to pay for these ships, too?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Jan. 8, 2017 10:05 a.m.

    More weapons!!

    Wow!

    For years, we have been the bully boy for Israel, doing their heavy work for them in the arena of genocide.

    And now, through our new Republican-Russian coalition, we can do the same for Putin.

    Mr Putin must be ecstatic!